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AICN Rumor- Sean Penn as the Joker
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Star Wars has done it (twice actually). James Earl Jones but more importantly the dude who provided the voice for Darth Maul (also the actress who did Aunt Beru in the original movie).GLoK said:
I'm sure there are many other examples where during ADR they went with another actor instead of who is on screen. not at all unheard of (they actually did it with the Joker on the pilot of Birds of Prey).
BigGreenMat
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I am shocked no one has suggested
Dude has the look down!! Don't even need makeup! Just hair dye!
Dude has the look down!! Don't even need makeup! Just hair dye!
I think more importanly, this kind of dubbing hasn't worked on this scale before. Birds of Prey did it, and kept the Joker face clouded. Star Wars did it and Vader wore a helmet. Darth Maul did it and had one line that was spoken very slowly and deliberately.
You simple cannot give a good performance or have the range of emotions necessary to play the Joker if you don't use your real voice, as they'll need to film it a certain way to dub it.
Michael Clarke Duncan was a shitting Kingpin.
You simple cannot give a good performance or have the range of emotions necessary to play the Joker if you don't use your real voice, as they'll need to film it a certain way to dub it.
triste said:
Michael Clarke Duncan was a shitting Kingpin.
OpinionatedCyborg
Member
BigGreenMat said:I am shocked no one has suggested
Dude has the look down!! Don't even need makeup! Just hair dye!
My thoughts exactly in the last thread.
norinrad21
Banned
The best joker ever, bring him back
and
bring back Dana Delany as Batman's girl
perfect
and
bring back Dana Delany as Batman's girl
perfect
Willco said:
Are you supporting Bacon's racist (IMO) comment or do you actually think that Cheadle lacks the chops to pull it off?
Heck, there are dozens of black guys that could pull off a great Joker.. the Joker is like the single greatest comic book villain (and I'm a Spider-man guy myself) but there's nothing about him suggests to me that he has to be caucasian.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Iceman said:
Yes I am.
Iceman said:
Both.
I don't think Cheadle has the presence necessary to portray a vicious serial killer. And it's not his fault. Your typical sadistic serial killer is white, not black, and there are obvious cultural differences between the two races that I'd say definitely play into the crazy demeanor of the Joker. Or any notable serial killer for that matter.
Would Hannibal Lecter be as memorable if he was black?
Think about that.
Teknopathetic
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Tim Curry, plz.
Are you guys actually suggesting putting Don Cheadle in whiteface? :lol :lol
That alone adds far too much racial dimension to the picture than the source material calls for. Nolan's not that stupid, and even if he was there's no way in hell that the studio would sign off on it. It'd be Katie Holmes all over again, with some tangential issue upstaging the actual film.
That alone adds far too much racial dimension to the picture than the source material calls for. Nolan's not that stupid, and even if he was there's no way in hell that the studio would sign off on it. It'd be Katie Holmes all over again, with some tangential issue upstaging the actual film.
Already mentioned in the main Batman thread, but dubbed dialogue turns out fine if you just put some work into it. 90% of the dialogue in Primer is dubbed, as is the case with other indie films made with shitty sound equipment.Willco said:
Doc Holliday
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A young Tim curry would have been perfect..
But adrian brody would be a perfect replacement.
But adrian brody would be a perfect replacement.
border said:
Having never seen Primer, I have to ask if the dubbed dialogue is simply just the exchange of words in a calm environment? I think with the range of emotions a performance like the Joker would have to cover, in a big action movie no less, it'd be a nightmare to take care of in post.
There are some heated exchanges in Primer, but nobody acting like the Joker 
Technically Golem is a dubbed character and that worked out okay though it's a bit of a situation it's the only one I can think of with really crazy acting. El Mariachi has completely re-looped audio but I can't really judge the performances when it's all in Spanish like that.
Technically Golem is a dubbed character and that worked out okay though it's a bit of a situation it's the only one I can think of with really crazy acting. El Mariachi has completely re-looped audio but I can't really judge the performances when it's all in Spanish like that.
Shaft is a character that is definitely black. A white one wouldn't make any sense....how can he fight The Man when he is The Man?Bacon said:
A black Joker is mostly a problem because of the white makeup, IMO. I guess the hair wouldn't look right either -- would he have green dreadlocks or something?
Iceman said:
Iceman.. please. Not only would it be distracting, but Don Cheadle isn't even qualified imo. Not every great actor can pull of this character. Also, as faithful as Batman is, why uneccessarily change the ethnic of a character?? In every adaptation of his origin he was white as well. Every actor, every animated series. And also, I thought a black kingpin was stupid as well, but that movie had no chance anyway so no biggie. Point is, well.. it's pointless. All you're going to do is attract attention, which is the very thing Nolan has tried to avoid, and Katie Holmes has sparked. He wants people to know and see The Joker. Not some star, not some wild card ethnic which people will give critical acclaim for casting.. period.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Every Joker I've ever seen has had caucasian facial features and hair.
I was about to say they should remain faithful to the ethnic background of a character, but I re-thought, and figured why bother? If the ethnicity of a character isn't crucial or fundamental to any aspect of the character or story, what does it matter?
Ash Housewares
The Mountain Jew
you guys are right, we should only have white dudes playing Joker like Nicholson and Cesar Romero
Forgotten_Taco
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That's it, you've forced my hand. I'm remaking "Coming to America" starring Tom Cruise and Robert Duval. I hope you're happy.
Ash Housewares
The Mountain Jew
Sapienshomo said:
I know, I want the joker-stach back
Son of Godzilla
Banned
Jesus, the whole black joker started when someone demanded Danny Glover in response to Crispen. Thirty responses later Iceman freaks out and everyones a bigot.
Ash Housewares
The Mountain Jew
demon said:
would you prefer Harold & Kumar?
If you could find white/black actors capable of the exact same character nuances as the actors who played Harold and Kumar, then sure. Although you'd probably have to change Kumar's name..... the Joker's name doesn't indicate any specific ethnicity, though. Perhaps I'm not remembering anything from the movie that relied on either of the character's asian/indian ethnicity...Ash Housewares said:
Not only that, but H&K is one movie, an isolated story. Batman is a whole comic universe, and I'd assume a new Batman movie with Joker would be a new story (I don't know much about Batman), and thus wouldn't have to work around any specific lines or story details that reference Joker's ethnicity.
Phoenix
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That would be a mistake in my book. As far as I'm concerned as a movie goer - the joker story is done and finished. I don't read the comics and I'm not big on "The Batman" so to mee having the Joker around would just seem out of place. I consider that a done deal.
Make a damn Justice league unlimited for goodness sakes
Make a damn Justice league unlimited for goodness sakes
Late Stage Marxist
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Comic book nerds are way too hung up on how the characters look. I'd rather they pick an actor who can actually play the part.
Jade Knight 08
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He doesn't look right for the role as a character (Joker).
Look at his nose... he fit the "bill" as a penguin! :lol
I don't they should go with Joker for the sequel. They need to find another nemesis before Joker was born. That's my 2 cents!
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