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[Crispy Gamer]

Worthless without pssr. As in pssr is good. Lol

Exactly lol even though separating the two doesn't make sense but it was a tacit acknowledgement that it's good tech

 

[twilo99]

That's the PCMR logic:

DLSS on PC = Amazing, spectacular, who cares about native?

Nope.

 

[SimTourist]

The race to reach 1080p continues, one day

 

[MisterXDTV]

Nope.

Even people with 4090s are using DLSS to gain performance

 

[Insane Metal]

According to DF:



Sounds like a typical Twitter user who doesn't understand words.

Wow a whole 1270p on a 699$ console goddamn

 

[twilo99]

Even people with 4090s are using DLSS to gain performance

Sure, but who is saying native resolution doesn't matter?

 

[adamsapple]

Wow a whole 1270p on a 699$ console goddamn

Those are the original metrics the game runs at on PS5 and SX. The article linked is for the original release.

We still haven't had the Direct come out publicly so let's see.

 

[Senua]

Even people with 4090s are using DLSS to gain performance

Nah a lot of people use DLAA at native 4k too

 

[Skifi28]

Wow a whole 1270p on a 699$ console goddamn

People often run their games at actual resolutions of 1440 on a 1600$ 4090. Sometimes even lower.

 

[Insane Metal]

Those are the original metrics the game runs at on PS5 and SX.

Ohhhhh lol. I stand corrected then.

It'll probably run at 1440p then.

 

[Senua]

What's funny M MisterXDTV Ronin_7

Did you not know of dlaas existence?

Here ya go kids

 

[MisterXDTV]

Sure, but who is saying native resolution doesn't matter?

It doesn't matter with AI hardware upscaling: what matters is the end result you see on the screen AKA the OUTPUT

The end result will be 2x the quality or perfomance of PS5 base model

The rest is just pointless numbers to complain on the internet

 

[Three]

Why would I? DLSS set at "quality" often looks better than native with some shitty AA smeared on top of it.

Same applies with PSSR then making native res unimportant there too, no?

 

[Senua]

Same applies with PSSR then making native res unimportant there too, no?

Yep. And no one said otherwise

 

[GermanZepp]

If this console was 500-600$/Euro WITH the disc drive people would love this thing and hype would be through the roof.

Sony just wants to screw everyone, they offer very small update for very large amount of money.

You want it to cost the same as an Xbox series X with 2tb?

 

[Three]

Sure, but who is saying native resolution doesn't matter?

Our beloved DF not so long ago:

Digital Foundry to stop counting Pixels in 2022.

Timestamped below. Summary: - Richard's new year resolution is to end pixel counting in face/offs. - To Richard, the final Output is more important than counting edges. - John is looking into different ways to showcase differences in image quality. - With checkerboarding, TSR, DLSS, and FSR...

www.neogaf.com

 

[MisterXDTV]

You want it to cost the same as an Xbox series X with 2tb?

He will tell you the Xbox 2 TB is a LIMITED editon for collectors...

Too bad the hardware is exactly the same from 4 years ago

 

[TintoConCasera]

Same applies with PSSR then making native res unimportant there too, no?

I was talking about DLSS, don't know how PSSR works nor how good it looks.

Plus I specified DLSS at quality mode. The resulting image quality depends greatly on the base resolution used for reconstructing the image. 1440p to 4K can look amazing. Something like 840p to whatever won't look near as good.

 

[Draugoth]

More info, none of the games in the showcase were running at 4K

 

[Senua]

I was talking about DLSS, don't know how PSSR works nor how good it looks.

Plus I specified DLSS at quality mode. The resulting image quality depends greatly on the base resolution used for reconstructing the image. 1440p to 4K can look amazing. Something like 840p to whatever won't look near as good.

Yup on my 4k TV quality (1440p) and balanced mode (1253p) look great, performance mode (1080p) is where it starts getting noticeably softer, and ultra performance (720p) does not look good at all.

 

[daninthemix]

People who want good IQ and high res on Alan Wake 2 just need to run it on a 4090 like a man.

Sorry if that truth is painful.

 

[Bavarian_Sloth]

The lower the native Res the lower power consumption, heat and noise.

But native should not go below 1080p or at least 900p in my opinion. Even the widely advanced Dlss starts to become image problems then.

And we still do not know if PISSER comes close to the quality of Dlss.

 

[Radical_3d]

To me AW2 is a 30fps game. I’d rather have more bell and whistles and a little more of IQ via PSSR than ramp up the resolution and still getting those awful effects of the console version.

 

[Ronin_7]

Wow a whole 1270p on a 699$ console goddamn

What do you think PC gamers are using when they select balanced mode on DLSS at 4K?

You missed a great opportunity to not say shit lmao

 

[Little Chicken]

Too bad the hardware is exactly the same from 4 years ago

And yet more comparable to the PS5 Pro than the PS5!

 

[Senua]

To me AW2 is a 30fps game

 

[MisterXDTV]

And yet more comparable to the PS5 Pro than the PS5!

Nice joke

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

It can't even beat PS5 BASE model

 

[Mister Wolf]

Makes no sense that they aren't at least upscaling from 1080 or higher to 4K. That's what the problem is.

 

[Javi97]

we need the PS5 Pro max

 

[MisterXDTV]

What do you think PC gamers are using when they select balanced mode on DLSS at 4K?

You missed a great opportunity to not say shit lmao

Don't tell him DLSS balance mode is 1253p

 

[Radical_3d]

 

[MisterXDTV]

Makes no sense that they aren't at least upscaling from 1080 or higher to 4K. That's what the problem is.

How do you know they won't?

Just because DF counted pixels in an announcement trailer video?

 

[Three]

I was talking about DLSS, don't know how PSSR works nor how good it looks.

Yep. And no one said otherwise

The other guys point was that the final output is important and what people are happy with and not the native res and I was only trying to highlight what they were trying to say with regards to PSSR, they used DLSS as an example of what has already released.

 

[Hrk69]

What do you think PC gamers are using when they select balanced mode on DLSS at 4K?

You missed a great opportunity to not say shit lmao

At least PC gamers can play XBOX exclusives

 

[metareferential]

Well, if PISSER is as good as some hope, there's no need for a higher internal res.

AW 1 ran at sub-720p on the 360 and it still was a looker, without proper reconstruction.

 

[Mister Wolf]

How do you know they won't?

Just because DF counted pixels in an announcement trailer video?

Well thats what Sony decided to showcase. That's on Sony right?

 

[Luipadre]

For some people who dont get it

 

[MisterXDTV]

At least PC gamers can play XBOX exclusives

What Xbox exclusives?

They are third-party now....

 

[MisterXDTV]

Well thats what Sony decided to showcase. That's on Sony right?

So we should jump to conclusions based on a 9-minute trailer, right?

When the console is not even on sale?

Amazing

 

[GermanZepp]

He will tell you the Xbox 2 TB is a LIMITED editon for collectors...

Too bad the hardware is exactly the same from 4 years ago

Lol yeah. Like many here I'm on the fence on this hardware. The most I want for a pro device is my games going from 30 to 60 fps. A little crisper image is not going to do it for me this time. I owned a ps4pro and while 1440p was nice it was no enough, but then again it was a cheaper console.

 

[Senua]

So we should jump to conclusions based on a 9-minute trailer, right?

When the console is not even on sale?

Amazing

DF had a 60gb file to analyse, just because their results don't match your expectations doesn't mean they don't count

 

[Mister Wolf]

So we should jump to conclusions based on a 9-minute trailer, right?

When the console is not even on sale?

Amazing

What conclusions? They took what was given. Facts are facts. Now if Remedy takes it even further then cool. We all know Remedy didn't make money on this game. They might not give a shit. Which would be a shame because visual tech wise Alan Wake 2 is far superior to any of those other games on that list for upgrades.

 

[kevboard]

we need the PS5 Pro max

so a Pro without sugar?

 

[TrebleShot]

If you believe this there is no hope for you.

 

[Mahavastu]

wtf this is fake right right

yes, of course.
We talk here about the resolution of the base PS5, so as long as Remedy did not activate endless features to get the resolutions down again, the resolution on the PS5 Pro should be way higher

Timestamped:


EDIT: it seems those are really the resolutions counted on the PS5 Pro. I guess they just switched to PSSR and still get the resolutions up... Hopefully...

 

[PaintTinJr]

I'm guessing they are completely clueless about the PSSR patent because rendering at a high resolution and having up to 3/4 of the image with bullet holes isn't 840p( 1490x840) native. It is either 1440p native or 2160p native with holes meaning only 840p's worth of pixels were natively rendered. scaling a DLSS native 840p image with basic cubic interpolation and comparing where there is pixels available in the1440p or 2160p native PSSR image, the latter will be far. far superior pixels which still end up unaltered native 1440p or 2160p data after PSSR finishes its job of filling the difficult holes with inferred data or trend predicts the easy hole data.

 

[Skifi28]

so a Pro without sugar?

I'm afraid we only have with salt so far.

 

[kevboard]

yes, of course.
We talk here about the resolution of the base PS5, so as long as Remedy did not activate endless features to get the resolutions down the resolution on the PS5 Pro should be way higher

I mean, doesn't the console version run at essentially low settings?
I can totally see them increasing settings instead of resolution, because they deem the image quality they get from PiSSeR more than good enough.
if they add the higher foliage density and other higher settings, I can easily see them using up all of that 45% higher GPU power they got on the Pro.
foliage is often very GPU heavy due to transparencies (which by their very nature usually lead to mass amounts of overdraw in foresty areas)

 

[Hookshot]

 

[Zathalus]

I'm guessing they are completely clueless about the PSSR patent because rendering at a high resolution and having up to 3/4 of the image with bullet holes isn't 840p( 1490x840) native. It is either 1440p native or 2160p native with holes meaning only 840p's worth of pixels were natively rendered. scaling a DLSS native 840p image with basic cubic interpolation and comparing where there is pixels available in the1440p or 2160p native PSSR image, the latter will be far. far superior pixels which still end up unaltered native 1440p or 2160p data after PSSR finishes its job of filling the difficult holes with inferred data or trend predicts the easy hole data.

Thats not what PSSR is doing. The patent you are referring to has got zero indication it’s got anything to do with PSSR.

I’ve seen the footage supplied from Sony myself, it’s quite clearly a ML based temporal upscaler, as per Sonys own developer documentation. It’s also pretty obviously not an unaltered native image nor is it superior to DLSS.

Don’t believe me? That’s fine, you can simply see it in action yourself tomorrow.