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[DForce]

Its garbage plot to make you kill characters you played as in the first game, it shits all over and undermines the first with this poor excuse of a dogshit sequel. TLOU should have never gotten a sequel
This story-line isnt relatable, no matter the spin and retcon players won't suddenly fall in love with these new set of characters you are forced to play the second half of the game not content with that they are setting it up for another dogshit sequel were you play as this random unlikable character against ellie.

That's my main gripe with the game, all the sjw politics are just the turd on top of the diarrhea.

I see it differently.

Remember what Troy Baker said about the Last of us Part I

[In The Last of Us] you assume that Joel is the hero and David is the villain, but… everyone is the hero of their own story," he said. "I firmly believe that David believes he's doing what is best for his people, and he is the hero in his story." David was the leader of a community of coordinated but cannibalistic survivors during the winter chapter of The Last of Us.

He understand the character in the world of The Last of Us. What he says ties in perfectly with the Last of Us Part II.

Joel has to ultimately live with his consequences for saving Ellie and not saving the world. Is it a good or bad decision? Well, that's left for us to decide.


Now we're on to the Last of us Part II.

Ellie is driven by revenge and so is Abby.


Right before the end of the game, we're looking at two characters from both perspectives. Both who were driven by revenge after losing the father figure in their lives.

This also brings us to another one of Troy's comments.

The actor, who plays Joel in the original game and the upcoming sequel, teases that the story is going to take players to some unexpected places. "If we have done our job right, people will question everything [about The Last of Us 2]," Baker says. "I want [fans] to be able to challenge their own ideas about what this game is, what this world is, who the characters are — everything."

In the Last of Us Part I, we questioned Joel's decision.

In the Last of us Part II, we're still questioning it, but this time, we're taking a look at the ones he hurt, and that's Ellie and Abby.


But that's not all

I'm not sure if this is confirmed, but I will speculate. Are the religious group immune to the disease? If this is the case, then this would go more into depth about Joel's decision.


End the end, we might enjoy Abby's character far more than what's being displayed through words on our computer screen. The final parts go deep into her story and we get to understand her side. I like stories that make us question things. We cannot act based on emotions because our favorite character has died.

 

[siekro1983]

Ever been to a gym?

yes i have regularly. planet fitness miami and a small gym in colomba. I have never seen a girl with that type of body.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

End the end, we might enjoy Abby's character far more than what's being displayed through words on our computer screen. The final parts go deep into her story and we get to understand her side. I like stories that make us question things. We cannot act based on emotions because our favorite character has died.

I mean, I imagine I could totally relate with her character and thirst for revenge, especially since from her perspective, Joel was just some dude who busted in and shot up her dad while he was trying to develop a cure to save the world.

But still, we have the full context for why Joel did what he did, and I'm never going to think he or Ellie are the real villains.

 

[down 2 orth]

95% of GAF: "Naughty Dog shat the bed!"

Random sketchy Gaffers: "Yes, yes, but have you seen those animations?!"

Me: *popcorn eating intensifies*

 

[SonGoku]

Joel has to ultimately live with his consequences for saving Ellie and not saving the world. Is it a good or bad decision? Well, that's left for us to decide.

Killing an innocent child or person is wrong no matter how you spin it, Abbys father was not innocent as he was willing to kill an innocent person, Joel did what he had to save an innocent person. Selfish motivation or not his actions had the moral high ground.

Abbys motivations are far less laudable (muh revenge)

The rest of your post is just mental gymnastics and justification for this shitty writing, no shit troy baker would go along with it
Question everything btw GTFO with this pseudo intellectual crap

 

[siekro1983]

I mean, I imagine I could totally relate with her character and thirst for revenge, especially since from her perspective, Joel was just some dude who busted in and shot up her dad while he was trying to develop a cure to save the world.

But still, we have the full context for why Joel did what he did, and I'm never going to think he or Ellie are the real villains.

who really gives a shit, we wanted a continuation of joel, and ellie story. nobody asked for this.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Liking the plot twist really comes down to whether you like traditional story lines and how much you like the characters being twisted.

I never read them or even found an english plot summary, but this Abby twist reminds of Lord of the Rings. Supposedly, some Russian guy made a fictitious story (kind of like people making totally wacky comic book hero stories like buddy time warps 1000 years into the future) where Sauron is actually a good guy and all the humans, elves and old fogey Gandalf are the assheads.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Does anyone else think that humanity should have at least begun to redevelop into complex and stable societies in the world of The Last of Us by the time of the sequel?

Even though the fungus is still around and no cure for it has been created, humanity should have developed a culture by which a complex society can function despite the presence of the fungus.

The reason why humanity has become the dominant species is due to its intelligence and subsequent ability to adapt to radical conditions, even via unnatural means (i.e. technology, medicine, etc). So, it makes no sense that by the time of the sequel, humanity is still in shambles.

 

[Cato]

Liking the plot twist really comes down to whether you like traditional story lines and how much you like the characters being twisted.

I never read them or even found an english plot summary, but this Abby twist reminds of Lord of the Rings. Supposedly, some Russian guy made a fictitious story (kind of like people making totally wacky comic book hero stories like buddy time warps 1000 years into the future) where Sauron is actually a good guy and all the humans, elves and old fogey Gandalf are the assheads.

The Last Ringbearer
And you should download it and read it because it is great.

The Last Ringbearer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ruvikx]

Killing an innocent child or person is wrong no matter how you spin it, Abbys father was not innocent as he was willing to kill an innocent person, Joel did what he had to save an innocent person. Selfish motivation or not he had the high moral ground.

Abbys motivations are far less laudable

This debate went on & on & on after the first game's release 7 years ago. The bottom line is there was absolutely nothing seen in the Fireflies to trust them with dissecting someone's brain, especially a child. They were just a scattered bunch of nobodies with extremely limited resources & not trustworthy. I don't know "how" Druckmann is going to sell Abby's side of the story (or whether it even matters, i.e. it could just be about "revenge" & not the underpinning morality) but taking the "cure" provided by theoretically murdering Ellie as a fact & not just wishful thinking won't work because the first game did absolutely nothing to make us believe that cure was either inevitable or even possible upon chopping Ellie up into little pieces.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The Last Ringbearer
And you should download it and read it because it is great.

The Last Ringbearer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Shit. Thanks. Didn't know the name or it had a wiki page. I just remember hearing about it years back scoping out random LoTR stuff and someone mentioned it.

 

[MayauMiao]

Not reading this thread fully but I got to ask..

Is TLoU 2 very woke?

 

[Paracelsus]

Not reading this thread fully but I got to ask..

Is TLoU 2 very woke?

For once that's the least of the problems.

 

[Kagey K]

Gross, but whatever as long as it gets you from scene to scene.

 

[Cato]

Not reading this thread fully but I got to ask..

Is TLoU 2 very woke?

It is so woke that even some woke people will go mental.

DAY. ONE. PURCHASE.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This debate went on & on & on after the first game's release 7 years ago. The bottom line is there was absolutely nothing seen in the Fireflies to trust them with dissecting someone's brain, especially a child. They were just a scattered bunch of nobodies with extremely limited resources & not trustworthy. I don't know "how" Druckmann is going to sell Abby's side of the story (or whether it even matters, i.e. it could just be about "revenge" & not the underpinning morality) but taking the "cure" provided by murdering Ellie as a fact & not just wishful thinking won't work because the first game did absolutely nothing to make us believe that cure was either inevitable or even possible upon chopping Ellie up into little pieces.

To be fair to the original plot of finding a vaccine with a bunch of docs and surgeons, it's probably assumed the desperate world will do anything to find a cure.

The plot of Abby being daughter of the surgeon killed going on a revenge plot actually isn't far fetched, since in real life anyone who had family killed by a crook probably feels like revenging on the killer too. The only weird thing about the plot is that it wasn't an obvious choice of the main enemy coming from a doc character nobody cared about.

As someone said in an old post, a more implausible plot hole is if the world is in such shambles, there's no electricity or easy way to find people, and people like Joel ad Ellie are basically roaming nomads, how is anyone going to find them. And in a world that is already survival first, trying to do an APB to find people would make it even harder.

Then again 100s of years ago (and farther back), people do get tracked down. But it takes a long time and luck if the person isn't stationed in a predictable place.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

People complained about not playing as Joel and that Ellie shouldn't be the main character.

Now it's that they want Ellie to continue the series without Abby.

Joel was a hero, making you play as his killer is some s*ck sh*t.

Ever been to a gym?

That's about as fit as you see in the gym, it doesn't widen shoulders and waist to male proportions.





That is what you see when you look at dudes in the gym.

 

[SonGoku]

who really gives a shit, we wanted a continuation of joel, and ellie story. nobody asked for this.

 

[ksdixon]

That character really does have the same build as the girls from the Crossfit Games, who by the way are all 100% taking male hormones (anabolic steroids) in order to compete.

jesus chirst, wtf? that's disgusting.
at least a man would have more overall bulk to like... balance it all out properly, they look like some weird kind deformed of action figure.

 

[Halo is Back]

I just looked it up. Disappointing for sure but I don't see it as that bad. I don't think anything will top the ME3 ending debacle

 

[Jill Valentine]

What do you think their agenda was here?

One more good'un. Would've actually made a fun new plotline if she really survived in the end.

 

[replicant-]

Guys

I may have seen the spoilers on Eurogamer as staff/mods left spoilers unmoderated for over 5 hours. Can someone tell me if this is true. May as well know at this point.

Spoiler

Joel is killed by a golf club. Abbie kills Joel and Ellie

Thanks

 

[Jill Valentine]

SNIP

Answer seems to be 1. Yes 2. Maybe (unlikely)

 

[Cato]

That is what you see when you look at dudes in the gym.

For sure but an even more convincing argument. ND is hard SJW with representation. I am ok with that.
Cuckmann is widely outspoken far far idpol guy.

He would in 2020 make a game where half of the game you would be this cis straight woman, hunting down to find and kill these two evil lesbians. One of which is pregnant.
NaughtyDog would make a game where the main plot is you play as the straight woman hero trying to kill a lesbian couple.
In 2020. By a hardline idpol director?

Is that the theory of what is going on here? Man if this is the plot, twitter will dox every single employee and firebomb them and their
children.

There is on the sjw totempole of oppression only one class of woman where "I am hero, I will hunt down and kill this lesbian couple" would not lead to immediate death threaths to everyone involved in making this game.


The theory is that ND is releasing a game where a straight person is the hero and will hunt down and kill pregnant lesbians?
WTF. Not even Biden is that gone to believe that shit.

 

[Cato]

Guys

I may have seen the spoilers on Eurogamer as staff/mods left spoilers unmoderated for over 5 hours. Can someone tell me if this is true. May as well know at this point.

Spoiler

Joel is killed by a golf club. Abbie kills Joel and Ellie

Thanks

Yes. And you will spend half the game controlling the hero that does this.

 

[DForce]

The rest of your post is just mental gymnastics and justification for this shitty writing, no shit troy baker would go along with it
Question everything btw GTFO with this pseudo intellectual crap

There's no mental gymnastics.

That's why you play as the second character and that's why you go through their backstory.

Killing an innocent child or person is wrong no matter how you spin it, Abbys father was not innocent as he was willing to kill an innocent person, Joel did what he had to save an innocent person. Selfish motivation or not his actions had the moral high ground.

Abbys motivations are far less laudable (muh revenge)

Then why does Ellie still question Joel? Ellie wasn't happy with Joel after the last game and she's still not happy with him in the next game.

 

[Halo is Back]

who really gives a shit, we wanted a continuation of joel, and ellie story. nobody asked for this.

I always saw what Joel did as extremely selfish

This debate went on & on & on after the first game's release 7 years ago. The bottom line is there was absolutely nothing seen in the Fireflies to trust them with dissecting someone's brain, especially a child. They were just a scattered bunch of nobodies with extremely limited resources & not trustworthy. I don't know "how" Druckmann is going to sell Abby's side of the story (or whether it even matters, i.e. it could just be about "revenge" & not the underpinning morality) but taking the "cure" provided by theoretically murdering Ellie as a fact & not just wishful thinking won't work because the first game did absolutely nothing to make us believe that cure was either inevitable or even possible upon chopping Ellie up into little pieces.

Eh, its been a long time since I played the game but I always thought Joel killed the doctor just because he didn't want to lose another "daughter". I thought that was the whole point of the setup in the beginning of the game. What he did, imo was very selfish. But that's why I kind of liked the game. The ending was different from other games. Instead of making the noble sacrifice Joel wanted to keep her for himself.

 

[DForce]

I mean, I imagine I could totally relate with her character and thirst for revenge, especially since from her perspective, Joel was just some dude who busted in and shot up her dad while he was trying to develop a cure to save the world.

But still, we have the full context for why Joel did what he did, and I'm never going to think he or Ellie are the real villains.

Everything depends on how well her story plays out. The game is 25-30 hours long? Maybe we spend 8-10 hours playing as her.

I enjoyed FF15 up until chapter 13 where the game's story completely went down here.

I don't care if the character is trans, gay, bi etc. I only care if the the story is good and if politics doesn't take me away from trying to like that character.

 

[Screamer-RSA]

I wonder if by the end of June when 300 000+ people have died and millions lost their jobs Druckmann and Sony will still think their message in their game written by twitter identity politics is that important.

 

[Caio]

The Last of Us Part II will now launch on June 19th

The Last of Us Part II will now launch on June 19th

It was previously delayed indefinitely due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.theverge.com

sorry if old

 

[DForce]

Guys

I may have seen the spoilers on Eurogamer as staff/mods left spoilers unmoderated for over 5 hours. Can someone tell me if this is true. May as well know at this point.

Spoiler

Joel is killed by a golf club. Abbie kills Joel and Ellie

Thanks

Spoiler: answer

Abby kills Joel. Abby beats up Ellie, but she doesn't die.

 

[DForce]

Yes. And you will spend half the game controlling the hero that does this.

Only half of what he said was true.

 

[Cato]

Only half of what he said was true.

We don't know that, but if it makes you feel better :

And you will play half the game as the hero TRYING to do exactly that.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Only half of what he said was true.

Spoiler: spoiler

are we really sure ellie doesn't die, or is that just another rumor

 

[Tamy]

are we sure that an employee leaked this?
I mean, there were several leaks in several languages even, so it might be different persons, or not?

DForce are you ok? How many posts did you write in this thread?

 

[ksdixon]

Oh man this is so bad. 7 years of waiting and enduring a shitload of delays only to end up with an average The Walking Dead arc that ends with a cliffhanger on top of that? Fuck this pretentious oscar bait garbage, i hope all those journalist blowjobs Neil is gonna get are worth it because i really don't see the fandom supporting TLOU3 after this.

you just know a decent gameplay engine is going to die on the vine after TLOU2 gets laods of backlash.

Personally, I'm still holding-out hope for that rumored TLOU Factions Multiplayer standalone game.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Ironic, isn't it? That a story about revenge was leaked as an act of revenge.

 

[Halo is Back]

Lmao that's his job as a Journalist. You are comparing apples to rocks. He is not bound to an NDA agreement to any project. Furthermore, this man dose not go on spoiling video game's plots for the masses. He is a game industry journalist. I don't like him either but you fail at this comparison.

 

[DForce]

We don't know that, but if it makes you feel better :

And you will play half the game as the hero TRYING to do exactly that.

And it still doesn't change my point. I'm just posting for calcification. It's also clear what happened during that scene. It's in the spoiler part of my post.

Spoiler: spoiler

are we really sure ellie doesn't die, or is that just another rumor

Spoiler: Spoiler

There was a leak stating that she died during the fight with Abby, but the video of the scene shows that she lives. The quote after their lives are spared.

Here's the translation taken from Resetera.

(Abby is about to slit Dina's throat)
Ellie: Stop...Stop...she had nothing to do with it.
Abby turns to Ellie.
Ellie: She is pregnant.
Abby: Good. (Wants to kill her)
Lev: Abby...
---
Abby: If you let me catch sight of you again... (Literal german translation: Never come under my eyes again)

 

[pLow7]

I can't get my head around the fact that some of you say i'ts bad writing based on a few minutes of cutscene.

Not liking something is NOT bad writing.

 

[DForce]

are we sure that an employee leaked this?
I mean, there were several leaks in several languages even, so it might be different persons, or not?

DForce are you ok? How many posts did you write in this thread?

I'm doing fine.
I love stories and I love to discuss them.

 

[Jon Neu]

But no one complained about Joel being muscular?

You're trying too hard to defend this mess, dude.

Joel is biologically built like that (and he is not that muscular neither) Abby needs and impressive amount of training, the right nutrition and a regular dose of male hormones to reach those levels and then maintain them.

Again, it's not realistic at all. But Naughty Dog has a sweet spot for “strong” “women”.

Nothing SJW about it, of course. Nothing is SJW ever.

 

[DForce]

You're trying too hard to defend this mess, dude.

Joel is biologically built like that (and he is not that muscular neither) Abby needs and impressive amount of training, the right nutrition and a regular dose of male hormones to reach those levels and then maintain them.

Again, it's not realistic at all. But Naughty Dog has a sweet spot for “strong” “women”.

Nothing SJW about it, of course. Nothing is SJW ever.

Wait, now training and nutrition matters now?

But that same logic doesn't apply when Nadine is fighting Nathan Drake.


But you missed the point again. It doesn't have to be realistic. A 14 year old girl killing David in TLOU 1 is not real. All these things are not realistic. But now realistic matters when we're talking about Nadine fighting Drake. Come on.

 

[Teslerum]

You're trying too hard to defend this mess, dude.

Joel is biologically built like that (and he is not that muscular neither) Abby needs and impressive amount of training, the right nutrition and a regular dose of male hormones to reach those levels and then maintain them.

Again, it's not realistic at all. But Naughty Dog has a sweet spot for “strong” “women”.

Nothing SJW about it, of course. Nothing is SJW ever.

And not even *just* the right nutrition, you need loads of it. We're talking like 5000 calories a day.

 

[gioGAF]

You were emphasizing looks. So....

ROFL, thanks for proving my point. Don't know the guy, but Noomi Rapace(?) who is 40 and Uma Thurman(?) who is 50 look a hell of a lot better than the vast majority of people their age.

 

[Jon Neu]

Wait, now training and nutrition matters now?

They don' matter because women are born strong, independent and beautiful.

But that same logic doesn't apply when Nadine is fighting Nathan Drake

You were the one trying to defend that shit with the Muh martial arts.

Because among the thousands and thousands of paramilitary foes Nate has defeated, only Nadine was trained in combat.

It's almost as if ND trades realism for SJW porn fantasies.

 

[sid2vicious]

What about asexuality and inceldom? Should they also not be depicted in mainstream, established productions? Do asexual people and incels not deserve representation as well?

Are these terms virgins use? In that case, they're represented all the time.

This is superficial bullshit. Everyone isn't attractive and therefore every fictional protagonist shouldn't be attractive. Part of the appeal of escapism is being able to relate to protagonists and one way of making that possible is to make protagonists who are as attractive as average people - average people being the majority of people who indulge in escapism.

I thought escapism is about escaping reality, not to relate to it.

 

[Teslerum]

They don' matter because women are born strong, independent and beautiful.



You were the one trying to defend that shit with the Muh martial arts.

Because among the thousands and thousands of paramilitary foes Nate has defeated, only Nadine was trained in combat.

It's almost as if ND trades realism for SJW porn fantasies.

The problem with the Nadine fights isn't that she beats him at *Martial Arts* in the first place (Which imo nobody should have a problem with). Instead, she clearly overpowers him physically multiple times. Which is the bullshit.

 

[Jill Valentine]

And not even *just* the right nutrition, you need loads of it. We're talking like 4000-5000 calories a day.

And some sort of 3 workout a day training regime. And probably someone to prep your meals in advance. Somewhere to store them all. And then on your off day you sort of shrink quite a bit. And even then you would need the T/steroids.

It's just completely out of bizarro land, but completely in line with the political approach. Butch woman checking some sort of transgender qualities box, big and strong because women strong, unappealing to rub it in the face of male players, and possibly the trousers in some kind of homosexual relations. That's without taking a looking at the stuff Druckmann has said over the years.

Spoiler

 

[Voidout]

yes i have regularly. planet fitness miami and a small gym in colomba. I have never seen a girl with that type of body.

Planet fitness is your problem buddy. I know about 7 girls who can deadlift 250+