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[DForce]

They don' matter because women are born strong, independent and beautiful.



You were the one trying to defend that shit with the Muh martial arts.

Because among the thousands and thousands of paramilitary foes Nate has defeated, only Nadine was trained in combat.

It's almost as if ND trades realism for SJW porn fantasies.

What has changed over the years with female lead characters beating up men?

Foes, when Nate had a gun? The last boss is Rafe.. spends more time than any guy with full body armor..

Still, Drake cant fight an entire army by himself... but this gets ignored.

 

[JSoup]

So, um.
I don't have any skin in this ongoing hypetrain slash pissing contest.
But here's a related meme that caught me by surprise on discord.

 

[Cato]

What has changed over the years with female lead characters beating up men?

Foes, when Nate had a gun? The last boss is Rafe.. spends more time than any guy with full body armor..

Still, Drake cant fight an entire army by himself... but this gets ignored.

Look. Who cares. The only thing important is that we get to play as a hero that wants to track down and kill annoying lesbians.
No one can object to that. It will be great fun.

DAY. ONE. PURCHASE.

 

[sid2vicious]

What do you think their agenda was here?

Make a girl uglier? Nose aside, the real girl is definitely hotter, I don't see why they would tarnish her natural beauty to push their agenda.

 

[Ogbert]

Planet fitness is your problem buddy. I know about 7 girls who can deadlift 250+

Sexy.

 

[Jon Neu]

The problem with the Nadine fights isn't that she beats him at *Martial Arts* in the first place (Which imo nobody should have a problem with). Instead, she clearly overpowers him physically multiple times. Which is the bullshit.

Not only that, but she beats both Nathan and Sam at the same time.

The same Nathan and Sam who have defeated literally an incredible amount of paramilitary soldiers, prison immates, or an entire bar all by themselves.

But they have to be utterly humilliated in combat by a woman, because that makes the SJW salivate in ecstasy.

 

[DForce]

Look. Who cares. The only thing important is that we get to play as a hero that wants to track down and kill annoying lesbians.
No one can object to that. It will be great fun.

DAY. ONE. PURCHASE.

But he cared and that's why he asked.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

Not only that, but she beats both Nathan and Sam at the same time.

The same Nathan and Sam who have defeated literally an incredible amount of paramilitary soldiers, prison immates, or an entire bar all by themselves.

But they have to be utterly humilliated in combat by a woman, because that makes the SJW salivate in ecstasy.

Yeah they went too far with that, you can build up a strong female character without diminishing the male characters.

 

[siekro1983]

Planet fitness is your problem buddy. I know about 7 girls who can deadlift 250+

I know girls that can as well, but they don't have body like very muscular men.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

I see it differently.

Remember what Troy Baker said about the Last of us Part I




He understand the character in the world of The Last of Us. What he says ties in perfectly with the Last of Us Part II.

Joel has to ultimately live with his consequences for saving Ellie and not saving the world. Is it a good or bad decision? Well, that's left for us to decide.


Now we're on to the Last of us Part II.

Ellie is driven by revenge and so is Abby.


Right before the end of the game, we're looking at two characters from both perspectives. Both who were driven by revenge after losing the father figure in their lives.

This also brings us to another one of Troy's comments.



In the Last of Us Part I, we questioned Joel's decision.

In the Last of us Part II, we're still questioning it, but this time, we're taking a look at the ones he hurt, and that's Ellie and Abby.


But that's not all

I'm not sure if this is confirmed, but I will speculate. Are the religious group immune to the disease? If this is the case, then this would go more into depth about Joel's decision.


End the end, we might enjoy Abby's character far more than what's being displayed through words on our computer screen. The final parts go deep into her story and we get to understand her side. I like stories that make us question things. We cannot act based on emotions because our favorite character has died.

I think the problem is we went though a lot with Joel and Ellie in the first game, people got attached to those characters and want to continue with them and not be switched to someone else. I wasn't all that happy when they told us we wouldn't be playing as Joel at all, he may not have been a hero but he was the one we connected with because he did things most of us would have done in his situation. I got over it because we played as Ellie a bit in the first game and in the DLC and now she's obviously grown and she knows how to survive.

I think they rushed this a bit, they should have kept Joel as the main playable character for this game or at least for half of it and then turned it over to Ellie and then maybe started working in the other storyline. I am sure I'm still going to enjoy the game and once I see it all in context and go through the pacing they've set up but I can't pretend I'm excited about what I've read. Druckmann is very talented but a lot of the creative process for this game likely took place when the trans issues were big in the news and then he was white knighting it like crazy on twitter when "Me Too" was at its peak so I had some concerns that he'd get too caught up in what was going on in the real world at the time, we'll see how it plays out when we can play the game and experience it first hand.

 

[Jon Neu]

Foes, when Nate had a gun? The last boss is Rafe.. spends more time than any guy with full body armor..

Still, Drake cant fight an entire army by himself... but this gets ignored.

Rafe doesn't fight Nate with his bare hands, he has a sword.

And technically Rafe wins the combat, Nathan just puts the cliche “I’m going to win you with one ingenious move while you are celebrating your victory speech”.

Yeah they went too far with that, you can build up a strong female character without diminishing the male characters.

The strongest female characters aren't the ones who are physically strong.

But feminists with their inferiority complex want females to be as physically strong as males.

 

[Cato]

I know girls that can as well, but they don't have body like very muscular men.

You mean their bodies are naturally different? Like when anthropoligists, archeologists, doctors and similar can look at an incomplete skeleton and say with certainty if it was a man or a woman?

Amazing concept you can look at a body type and tell if it is a woman or a man. Amazing.
That sounds really crazy. Like you can look at a face and tell if it is a man or a woman. Real crazy stuff.

 

[DForce]

Rafe doesn't fight Nate with his bare hands, he has a sword.

And technically Rafe wins the combat, Nathan just puts the cliche “I’m going to win you with one ingenious move while you are celebrating your victory speech”.




The strongest female characters aren't the ones who are physically strong.

But feminists with their inferiority complex want females to be as physically strong as males.

And the point keeps flying over your head.

Drake cannot take on an army by himself, but he struggle to fight Rafe.

There are zero complaints about this. But people want to talk about how something should be realistic when it comes to Abby's body size.

Ellie also has a pocket knife while David has a machete, but he still loses to Ellie. This wasn't an issue back in 2013 because we're in a totally different political atmosphere.

 

[Cato]

redundant

 

[JerryinSoCal]

That guy is a clown, he never makes an original point on anything he just makes the same bitching videos that everyone else does.

 

[Tamy]

yeah, the thing is... with the delay ALL digital preorders got cancelled, so if they didn't delay it, people wouldn't even be able to cancel their order... so yeah, this couldn't be worse now.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

And the point keeps flying over your head.

Drake cannot take on an army by himself, but he struggle to fight Rafe.

There are zero complaints about this. But people want to talk about how something should be realistic when it comes to Abby's body size.

Ellie also has a pocket knife while David has a machete, but he still loses to Ellie. This wasn't an issue back in 2013 because we're in a totally different political atmosphere.

Drake doesn't take on an entire army all at once. He goes few goons at a time. Why does he survive? Same reason all heroes survive by the skin of their teeth out of impossible situations. And there are plenty of gameovers if you don't know how to play.

There are unbelievable things that are standard and expected such as the heroes surviving barely out of impossible situations.

Unrealistic body proportions are unexpected and unusual. If Joel suddenly had breasts in the sequel, that would be unexpected and unusual too.

 

[Jon Neu]

Drake cannot take on an army by himself, but he struggle to fight Rafe.

With a sword.

Rafe seems to be a better sword fighter than Nate and that's why he beats him.

See? If Nadine beat up Nate in sword fighting, it would have been much more realistic and believable.

But no, it has to be in a pure physical confrontation, because that's what makes feminists and the rest of the SJW wet their panties.

 

[DForce]

I think the problem is we went though a lot with Joel and Ellie in the first game, people got attached to those characters and want to continue with them and not be switched to someone else. I wasn't all that happy when they told us we wouldn't be playing as Joel at all, he may not have been a hero but he was the one we connected with because he did things most of us would have done in his situation. I got over it because we played as Ellie a bit in the first game and in the DLC and now she's obviously grown and she knows how to survive.

I think they rushed this a bit, they should have kept Joel as the main playable character for this game or at least for half of it and then turned it over to Ellie and then maybe started working in the other storyline. I am sure I'm still going to enjoy the game and once I see it all in context and go through the pacing they've set up but I can't pretend I'm excited about what I've read. Druckmann is very talented but a lot of the creative process for this game likely took place when the trans issues were big in the news and then he was white knighting it like crazy on twitter when "Me Too" was at its peak so I had some concerns that he'd get too caught up in what was going on in the real world at the time, we'll see how it plays out when we can play the game and experience it first hand.

I was expecting Joel to die and that's why I'm not really surprised that he'll be gone. This is just my feeling right now, but if her story sucks then my opinion could change.

 

[Cato]

If Joel suddenly had breasts in the sequel, that would be unexpected and unusual too.

Well, actually, that was kind of my shitpost theory about the TLOU2 plot from half a year ago.
Joel being trans, but not transitioned, lesbian and has a girldick.
And the plot of the game was for him to track down and kill Ellie since she is a standard lesbian TERF.

Only thing I got wrong was that it was not Joel. It was someone else, from stage left, that stepped in and filled Joels shoes.
I fucking called this plotline 6 months ago!

 

[siekro1983]

And the point keeps flying over your head.

Drake cannot take on an army by himself, but he struggle to fight Rafe.

There are zero complaints about this. But people want to talk about how something should be realistic when it comes to Abby's body size.

Ellie also has a pocket knife while David has a machete, but he still loses to Ellie. This wasn't an issue back in 2013 because we're in a totally different political atmosphere.

Honestly naughty dog are just really pushing the agenda way too hard. ok we have to deal with ellie lesbian love story, i'm not into to that but fine. then let's rub it in and kill joel with out dignity, and make you play as his killer that looks like a trans woman with her trans boyfriend. So disappointed.

 

[MCplayer]

Have you guys seen this, SHE is called The moscular Barbie lol

 

[Tamy]

Have you guys seen this, SHE is called The moscular Barbie

that's not natural though

 

[MCplayer]

that's not natural though

probably

 

[Halo is Back]

Not surprised that the topic of Abby's muscles being realistic or not becoming the hot discussion in this thread lmao.

 

[DForce]

Drake doesn't take on an entire army all at once. He goes few goons at a time. Why does he survive? Same reason all heroes survive by the skin of their teeth out of impossible situations. And there are plenty of gameovers if you don't know how to play.

There are unbelievable things that are standard and expected such as the heroes surviving barely out of impossible situations.

Unrealistic body proportions are unexpected and unusual. If Joel suddenly had breasts in the sequel, that would be unexpected and unusual too.

Drake is literally on his own fighting an army until his brother shows up. Not only are they shooting at him, he's also jumping on to different vehicles to survive.

That's not realistic.

 

[DForce]

Honestly naughty dog are just really pushing the agenda way too hard. ok we have to deal with ellie lesbian love story, i'm not into to that but fine. then let's rub it in and kill joel with out dignity, and make you play as his killer that looks like a trans woman with her trans boyfriend. So disappointed.

But you haven't seen the events leading up to his death. First bulk of the games goes in deep into the story of Joel and Ellie, which includes flashbacks. It's not like he's dying in the first 20 minutes of the game.

 

[MCplayer]

Not surprised that the topic of Abby's muscles being realistic or not becoming the hot discussion in this thread lmao.

it is something new for a triple AAA game so why not

 

[LemmingWithaParachute]

Have you guys seen this, SHE is called The moscular Barbie lol

I hate this.

Im so fucking confused it makes me angry.

I dont understand.

 

[martino]

Drake is literally on his own fighting an army until his brother shows up. Not only are they shooting at him, he's also jumping on to different vehicles to survive.

That's not realistic.

that grandpa yamakasi jumping at the beginning too

 

[siekro1983]

But you haven't seen the events leading up to his death. First bulk of the games goes in deep into the story of Joel and Ellie, which includes flashbacks. It's not like he's dying in the first 20 minutes of the game.

He dies early on in the game, so i'm sure he doesn't play a major role in the story. ill pick it up when it's 9.99$ if it gets high review scores. i'm not excited to play as one of the most hideous looking character of all time.

 

[ksdixon]

To be fair, the actress who plays Dina (didn't know she was based off a real person) has a rocking bod.

the old joke says that's what paper bags are made for

 

[DForce]

He dies early on in the game, so i'm sure he doesn't play a major role in the story. ill pick it up when it's 9.99$ if it gets high review scores. i'm not excited to play as one of the most hideous looking character of all time.

I consider early on about 2 hours into the game. Joel likely lives longer because I think he goes out to help rescue Tommy.

 

[MCplayer]

I hate this.

Im so fucking confused it makes me angry.

I dont understand.

lol chill, people can do whatever they want with themselfs, they just need to know that they might be entering in a world where it might not be much eppreciated by alot.
We are just in the early stages of a cyberpunk world. Rappers tattoying and piercing all over they bodies and their fans doing the same, body transformation, tech chips inserts into bodies etc its happening...

 

[psorcerer]

You play as a TERF lesbian (ellie) hunting down to kill a Trans Woman ?

Nope, you will play as Abbey yet again and hunt Ellie - the evil TERF villain!

 

[rofif]

Drake is literally on his own fighting an army until his brother shows up. Not only are they shooting at him, he's also jumping on to different vehicles to survive.

That's not realistic.

It's quite sad that uc4 did not had as many set pieces as uc2 and 3

 

[Cato]

Nope, you will play as Abbey yet again and hunt Ellie - the evil TERF villain!

That is what I meant. I thought it was obvious so I left out the /s arcasm tag.

 

[SleepDoctor]

So, um.
I don't have any skin in this ongoing hypetrain slash pissing contest.
But here's a related meme that caught me by surprise on discord.

Pure gold lmao

 

[Stuart360]

Oh Jesus, these spoilers are priceless. Loving this shit.

 

[rofif]

You are all saying those names and I just know Joel and Ellie. Who are all those people. The leaks are so spread I cannot make heads or legs of it

 

[LemmingWithaParachute]

lol chill, people can do whatever they want with themselfs, they just need to know that they might be entering in a world where it might not be much eppreciated by alot.
We are just in the early stages of a cyberpunk world. Rappers tattoying all over they buddys and their fans doing the same, body transformation, tech chips inserts into bodys etc its happening...

It was said in jest/light hearted.

My penis is confused...is what I was referring to.



Your avatar is an upside down W.

 

[SleepDoctor]

You are all saying those names and I just know Joel and Ellie. Who are all those people. The leaks are so spread I cannot make heads or legs of it

If you don't want to be spoiled stay out lol. If not i believe the leaks are on the first page of the thread.

 

[Cato]

You are all saying those names and I just know Joel and Ellie. Who are all those people. The leaks are so spread I cannot make heads or legs of it

Only thing you need to know is that Ellie is openly lesbian (we know that already) and her girlfriend is pregnant.
The big hero of the game first kills joel and then you spend a big part of the game as the hero, trying to track down and kill lesbian Ellie and her pregnant Lesbian girlfriend.

The Game.

DAY. FUCKING. ONE. PURCHASE.
The shitshow will be fucking biblical!

 

[rofif]

Only thing you need to know is that Ellie is openly lesbian (we know that already) and her girlfriend is pregnant.
The big hero of the game first kills joel and then you spend a big part of the game as the hero, trying to track down and kill lesbian Ellie and her pregnant Lesbian girlfriend.

The Game.

DAY. FUCKING. ONE. PURCHASE.

wtf is this shit

 

[Cato]

wtf is this shit

The shitshow will be fucking biblical. DAY ONE PURCHASE.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

If Joel suddenly had breasts in the sequel, that would be unexpected and unusual too.

LMAO.

 

[rofif]

The shitshow will be fucking biblical. DAY ONE PURCHASE.

so you dont play as Ellie or her girlfriend or "GOD FORBID" Joel ?

 

[Cato]

so you dont play as Ellie or her girlfriend or "GOD FORBID" Joel ?

Nope. Well in the beginning you play Ellie.

But
Joel's dead baby, Joel's dead. (your character kills him just Bruce Willis boxer kills Zed)

Nah, latter half of the game is you playing the boy/girl/unknown-so-far trying to track down ellie and her pregnant girlfriend to kill them.

WTF NaughtyDog WTF

 

[siekro1983]

so you dont play as Ellie or her girlfriend or "GOD FORBID" Joel ?

You play half the game as ellie then you play a trans woman that killed joel.

 

[martino]

And the point keeps flying over your head.

Drake cannot take on an army by himself, but he struggle to fight Rafe.

There are zero complaints about this. But people want to talk about how something should be realistic when it comes to Abby's body size.

Ellie also has a pocket knife while David has a machete, but he still loses to Ellie. This wasn't an issue back in 2013 because we're in a totally different political atmosphere.

it's dbz power level nonsense, what matter is the story not power level coherence