Support NeoGAF

[NeonGhost]

Can anyone tell me with out spoilers what the left agenda in the game is I know Ellie is gay and that doesn’t bother me but are they forcing the whole community in the game if you know what so mean

 

[Deleted member 17706]

No she's not trans but physically attractive women aren't allowed. On one hand it's a zombie apocalypse on the other hand the current climate of how Western media is has warped people's minds into believing attractive women don't exist.

It can go both ways.

This is the same character, right?



Just looks like a muscular woman to me.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

This is the same character, right?



Just looks like a muscular woman to me.

Yes that's the character. People are cherry picking from screen shots rn which DO look fucking bad but we haven't had the best quality from the leaks or more scenes on her.

 

[NeonGhost]

Yes that's the character. People are cherry picking from screen shots rn which DO look fucking bad but we haven't had the best quality from the leaks or more scenes on her.

So it’s confirmed that’s a trans person ?

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Believe

I'm willing to give it a chance, but definitely not blindly buying it at $60 at launch with these leaks. I'll wait to hear some gameplay impressions after it comes out and decide (I really enjoyed the gameplay from the first one).

 

[Jayjayhd34]

So it’s confirmed that’s a trans person ?

No but its the Internet one person says it you get 1000s repeating.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

I still think there are some slight changes, the actress seems more attractive than the ingame model.

You are either being intellectually dishonest or are genuinely in denial. There is literally no difference between the appearance of Aloy and that of the actress; the shape of each one's face is exactly the same (e.g. relatively narrow forehead, identical thick eyebrows, identical eye-socket depth, identical nose shape, wide cheekbones, wide jaw, etc). Heck, they even have the same eye color.

Also, the actress doesn't have the most feminine body, no offense.

 

[siekro1983]

You mean the people that complain that the plot is that you spend half the game as a character that sets out to track down and kill all the female lesbians? Those people?

You called people neo-nazi for not liking the plot. That is what is BS. The plot is shit.

its like

Honestly this is the equivalent of breaking bad killing walter white then making Skyler White the king pin, lol. honestly the story sounds like a shit fest.

 

[DForce]

Can anyone tell me with out spoilers what the left agenda in the game is I know Ellie is gay and that doesn’t bother me but are they forcing the whole community in the game if you know what so mean

Masculine female character playing a vital role in the story means the game is "woke". They believe it's forcing this agenda down our throats. I don't see why this would trigger people so much.

So it’s confirmed that’s a trans person ?

I haven't seen anyone confirm that the character is trans. It appears that people are going with that narrative because she's a masculine woman.

 

[siekro1983]

That's nothing to do what I posted but I'll bite. Its really simple to understand. Last of us is based in a world that involves surial of fittest hunting killing lack certain foods. In this world woman are not going look the same there going look musclar and some ways more and more like men.

99% of woman can't look like that with out steroids. in a world like the last us, even the majority of men should not be muscular, they are barely able to survive.

 

[Calcium]

Where are all the Clickers? Are they even in the game? Everything I'm seeing from this game looks like an LGBT soap opera.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

99% of woman can't look like that with out steroids. in a world like the last us, even the majority of men should not be muscular, they are barely able to survive.

I dunno... looks a lot like a professional gymnast physique to me.

Your point about people in this world probably not getting proper nutrition aside, of course...

 

[Falcs]

Nope, they loved it at first but then remembered there is no joy to be found in liking something, so the moderation team helped them decide it's now bad as it enforces the "gay people always die in videogames" trope. A trope so common, the only known example is one unreleased game. But I guess those nut jobs think Kooper Troopers are gender fluid or some shit.

This is exactly why you never pander to SJWs. Nothing is ever ever good enough. There will ALWAYS be a new reason to take offense.

 

[DForce]

99% of woman can't look like that with out steroids. in a world like the last us, even the majority of men should not be muscular, they are barely able to survive.

But no one complained about Joel being muscular?

What about Bill? This guy is fat and needs enough daily calories to maintain this weight.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

I have no interest in being gay, nor do I have any interest to be forced to accept it. I wouldn't have a problem if they developed niche games that cater around them. The problem lies when these ideals are being represented on mainstream established productions, whether they be games, movies, comic, etc. Turning established genders, race, sexual orientation to something they deem socially acceptable for everyone is not something I'm on board with, so I'm going to let my wallet speak for itself, by staying closed. I hope this game flops, and I also hope this new age they're trying to bring about also self-destruct in their faces. I really don't see how any of this shit is profitable, and how this shit is supposed to boost our economy in any way? Seems like economic suicide to me.

What about asexuality and inceldom? Should they also not be depicted in mainstream, established productions? Do asexual people and incels not deserve representation as well?

 

[EverythingsOverrated]

Where are all the Clickers? Are they even in the game? Everything I'm seeing from this game looks like an LGBT soap opera.

This is pretty much what I came to post. What happened to the zombies?

Unpopular opinion: I stopped playing TLOU1 about 3 or so hours in because I felt the game played kinda like shit, but I wanted to peek at a couple TLOU2 spoilers to see if I should finish the first game.

I don't know if that's going to happen. At least not for a while - I'll get it used for 20$ in a year or so.

 

[Jill Valentine]

Where are all the Clickers? Are they even in the game? Everything I'm seeing from this game looks like an LGBT soap opera.

 

[DForce]

This is pretty much what I came to post. What happened to the zombies?

Where are all the Clickers? Are they even in the game? Everything I'm seeing from this game looks like an LGBT soap opera.

Leaks contain cut-scenes. You're not going to be fighting clickers during cutscenes.

This game is 25+ hours long

It looks like this is the beginning of her story and this is where you fight the clickers.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

Oddly enough it seems her breasts were reduced in the game.

 

[siekro1983]

But no one complained about Joel being muscular?

What about Bill? This guy is fat and needs enough daily calories to maintain this weight.

ONE guy looks fat and Joel looks bit muscular, but thats a guy how many females do you see like this on a daily bases? males are made to have muscles it just the reality of life. do you expect a female lion to be as a big as a male lion or even cow to be big as a bull?

 

[Jayjayhd34]

99% of woman can't look like that with out steroids. in a world like the last us, even the majority of men should not be muscular, they are barely able to survive.

and 66.66666% of statistic are made up on the spot the funny thing is even you where correct that would be 4 million woman in world able to get that musclar

Food its self is not that hard source if it was human would not evolved in to what they are now. Human instinct is survival and food is huge part of that, your also going push yourself to the limit making yourself as strong as possible.

 

[Whitecrow]

Are we ignoring now that if dirls do workouts they get muscular also?
And I think for surviving one hsould do some workouts...

 

[SonGoku]

What triggers me the most is they are setting this dogshit story for a sequel...

Spoiler

I rather ND focus on a new IP next gen, tlou is done and duckman needs to fuck off

 

[siekro1983]

and 66.66666% of statistic are made up on the spot the funny thing is even you where correct that would be 4 million woman in world able to get that musclar

Food its self is not that hard source if it was human would not evolved in to what they are now. Human instinct is survival and food is huge part of that, your also going push yourself to the limit making yourself as strong as possible.

honestly have never seen a woman that muscular in my life. except of course online or tv, but never in real life.

 

[DForce]

ONE guy looks fat and Joel looks bit muscular, but thats a guy how many females do you see like this on a daily bases? males are made to have muscles it just the reality of life. do you expect a female lion to be as a big as a male lion or even cow to be big as a bull?

Joel wouldn't be able to maintain that weight and size without consuming enough calories daily.

Lets not forget that Joel suffered serious injury in the first game, which would have resulted in a massive weight loss. The point is, realistically, Joel and Bill should be skinny.

How many women have I seen like this on a daily bases? I've seen some, considering I go to the gym (well not not since the virus) weekly.

If you can nitpick and say women don't look like this during a pandemic, then you can same the same for these men.

 

[sneas78]

I find it ironic we are letting a fuck & game bring out the worst in us. What have we become? Shouldn’t we take a step back and think for a minute? Those reply’s on twitter are deranged lunatics .. much like what’s been said here. I think we all need to Fuck & chill lol. Come on now. Write your own ending in Dreams only to have all these people say it’s shit.. after prob most of us would take a good 6 months . + to make anything .. assuming we had the knowledge to make characters .. story .. music .. logic etc.

 

[Paracelsus]

But no one complained about Joel being muscular?

What about Bill? This guy is fat and needs enough daily calories to maintain this weight.

No.
Abby is built like a man, hence why people fell for the trans woman meme, because it's basically a man's body with an unattractive woman's head, it makes Kassandra from AC look like a twig. Joel is built like an average man, and you don't need steroids to look like either your examples.
As a woman you either look like skinny and somewhat defined, or shredded (pronounced six pack and deltoids/ are an obvious red flag) and bloated by the obvious steroids, or just overweight.

To be about Bill all you gotta eat is a bunch of potatoes. You know, roots, carbs, stuff that can be readily available in a post-apocalyptic scenario. Carbs make you fat, rounded, bulky, big without definition, like a normal overweight person, one that is not like Abby, a woman that looks like this.

This is Nadine 2 - The Revenge.

Are we ignoring now that if dirls do workouts they get muscular also?
And I think for surviving one hsould do some workouts...

Not like Abby, not naturally.

 

[ipukespiders]

Jokes aside, the Abby character isn't actually trans, right? Seems like hormone treatment would not be very easy in the world of The Last of Us.

Yeah, and where the hell would you even find a dilation station?

 

[siekro1983]

Joel wouldn't be able to maintain that weight and size without consuming enough calories daily.

Lets not forget that Joel suffered serious injury in the first game, which would have resulted in a massive weight loss. The point is, realistically, Joel and Bill should be skinny.

How many women have I seen like this on a daily bases? I've seen some, considering I go to the gym (well not not since the virus) weekly.

If you can nitpick and say women don't look like this during a pandemic, then you can same the same for these men.

Dude the woman looks like a man. it very rare for woman to get that type of body with out steroids, even men have a hard achieving that kind of body, i go to the gym as well in miami and in colombia, and never seen a woman that muscular.

 

[DForce]

No.
Abby is built like a man, hence why people fell for the trans woman meme, because it's basically a man's body with an unattractive woman's head, it makes Kassandra from AC look like a twig. Joel is built like an average man, and you don't need steroids to look like either your examples.
As a woman you either look like skinny and somewhat defined, or shredded (pronounced six pack and deltoids/ are an obvious red flag) and bloated by the obvious steroids, or just overweight.

To be about Bill all you gotta eat is a bunch of potatoes. You know, roots, carbs, stuff that can be readily available in a post-apocalyptic scenario. Carbs make you fat, rounded, bulky, big without definition, like a normal overweight person, one that is not like Abby, a woman that looks like this.

This is Nadine 2 - The Revenge.



Not like Abby, not naturally.

You know how many potatoes you would have to eat to maintain that weight? Bill doesn't have a large crop of food, the dude is living off cans of food, which is still not enough to maintain his weight.

The thing is, nothing is realistic.

Joel fighting an army 1 on 40 is not realistic.


Ellie was like 14 years old in the last of us? Do you think she was capable of killing grown men to help save Joel? These things are ignored, but when you see a woman built like a body builder on some steroids, you guys start to look at things under a microscope.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

honestly have never seen a woman that muscular in my life. except of course online or tv, but never in real life.

Because its rare, Woman and men are obbesed with being attractive men are considered attractive if they musclar however musclar woman are not considered attractive by majority of men so you don't see it very often. It's no indication that large portion can't become musclar.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Because its rare, Woman and men are obbesed with being attractive men are considered attractive if they musclar however musclar woman are not considered attractive by majority of men so you don't see it very often. It's no indication that large portion can't become musclar.

The problem is I've seen women who go to the gym, even very shredded ones in fitness magazines. They still have a feminine body. You have to go to muscle building steroid using magazines to get something like that.

 

[Jill Valentine]

I have some important things but from what I've gathered so far this is a PR disaster. I can find few people putting their necks out for this game and even in places there they should be kind of interested, some of the choices are being discussed with terms or critiques that would otherwise result in a ban.

We have 2 angles of annoyance
-Hate political injection
-Hate destroying what's established

It's a case of "Everybody hated that". These are enthusiasts of course, and Joe Public just buys latest movie game because it has marketing budget, is sequel to other game they liked and feels like their favorite Netflix show. It will be fine at release but I feel like the legs will take a bit of damage here. Too much talk of the game will be unflattering memes.

Last problem is going to be the contrast between the PROFESSIONAL critic reception and the audience. It's in that weird "Oscar bait" territory where because of the political injection and what should be a continuation of the same narrative accolades, will they have the balls to criticize or even acknowledgement the climate surrounding the game. Biting the hand that feeds them when there's so much at stake seems unlikely.

It's going to be a fun few years.



When I watch this I want to play the first game again. It's a lovely power fantasy appealing to a mans sense of justice and doing everything he can against the odds to save those he loves. That's a story type that will have eternal appeal. Will probably wait for full RPCS3 compatibility for mouse input, XIM was a pain to setup for this game.

 

[DForce]

Dude the woman looks like a man. it very rare for woman to get that type of body with out steroids, even men have a hard achieving that kind of body, i go to the gym as well in miami and in colombia, and never seen a woman that muscular.

You're missing the point.

It doesn't NEED To be realistic.

I can make a huge list of things that are not real in video games, but somehow, you guys want to focus on a woman's bodytype.

Joel's weight? No
Bills weight? No
Joel and Ellie taking out most of David's crew? No
Ellie taking out grown men? No
Joel taking out an army of fireflies to save Ellie? No
A bite being more dangerous than a scratch from a clicker?


Abby being masculine female? No, this is not realistic!

It's like complaining about Resident Evil having locked doors when the characters can realistically kick the damn door down.

 

[LaughingStock]

Where are all the Clickers? Are they even in the game? Everything I'm seeing from this game looks like an LGBT soap opera.

Christians are the real threat. You see, clickers don't hate LGBTQ+ people.

 

[siekro1983]

Because its rare, Woman and men are obbesed with being attractive men are considered attractive if they musclar however musclar woman are not considered attractive by majority of men so you don't see it very often. It's no indication that large portion can't become musclar.

a large portion differently can't. you do undertsand men and woman are built differently right? do you think cows become as big and muscular as bulls?

 

[decisions]

To be fair, the idea that someone like Abby could look like a person who literally does fitness for a living, doing specific workouts for several hours a day, and eating an extremely specific and rigorous diet in a POST-APOCALYPSE is strange. It introduces a weird suspension of disbelief.

 

[siekro1983]

You're missing the point.

It doesn't NEED To be realistic.

I can make a huge list of things that are not real in video games, but somehow, you guys want to focus on a woman's bodytype.

Joel's weight? No
Bills weight? No
Joel and Ellie taking out most of David's crew? No
Ellie taking out grown men? No
Joel taking out an army of fireflies to save Ellie? No
A bite being more dangerous than a scratch from a clicker?


Abby being masculine female? No, this is not realistic!

It's like complaining about Resident Evil having locked doors when the characters can realistically kick the damn door down.

obviously people are gonna complain we wanted the sequel to joel and ellie story, we didn't want the sequel to a trans looking woman story.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

a large portion differently can't. you do undertsand men and woman are built differently right? do you think cows become as big and muscular as bulls?

myostatin mutant ones become even more muscular

 

[Calcium]

To be fair, the idea that someone like Abby could look like a person who literally does fitness for a living, doing specific workouts for several hours a day, and eating an extremely specific and rigorous diet in a POST-APOCALYPSE is strange. It introduces a weird suspension of disbelief.

Get out of here with that logic, sexist.

Seriously though, she is like a tree trunk. What were they thinking?

 

[DForce]

obviously people are gonna complain we wanted the sequel to joel and ellie story, we didn't want the sequel to a trans looking woman story.

How do you know we don't want to see Abby in the next game when we haven't played the game?

People complained about not playing as Joel and that Ellie shouldn't be the main character.

Now it's that they want Ellie to continue the series without Abby.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

a large portion differently can't. you do undertsand men and woman are built differently right? do you think cows become as big and muscular as bulls?

Even if thats the case like i said if somthing like 1% of woman that's 38 million woman with the ability hardly unrealistic.

However this speculation there's no possible way calculate this either way since its so rare woman to do this. All we know is its not impossible.

 

[iorek21]

I don't really care about TLOU to get pissed about what happens in Part 2, but man, those were bold choices, huh...

I hope Santa Monica doesn't try to do anything similar by killing off Kratos and forcing us to play as Thor to hunt down Atreus

 

[gioGAF]

Maybe the problem here is your not suppose to be attracted to somthing that's not real.

Why do care whether your atracted to them and if you where what would that achieve? Would you wank over them. Billions porn videos on Internet hookers on street corners escorts if got the money, but no that's enough you need video game icons to be attractive.

I don't get this thought process. It has nothing to do with wanking or sexual desire. Attractive, strong, intelligent, charismatic, [insert positive trait here], etc. are all part of the setup for the majority of entertainment media. Why? Because they are desirable traits. If people had their way and effort wasn't an obstacle, everyone would choose to be this way.

Nathan Drake is a badass and I doubt most of us even approach that physique, the same applies for most major female characters. These are escapism and power fantasy avatars, they aren't going to go over as well if they are fat, ugly, slobs.

There is nothing wrong with making a character however the artist envisions them, there is however something wrong with attacking those who don't want to adopt a bullshit standard.

Humans generally strive to better themselves, contrary to the latest bullshit narrative. You are most definitely NOT fine just the way you are, try to be better.

 

[ManaByte]

I don't really care about TLOU to get pissed about what happens in Part 2, but man, those were bold choices, huh...

I hope Santa Monica doesn't try to do anything similar by killing off Kratos and forcing us to play as Thor to hunt down Atreus

Freya poisons Kratos and then tells Atreus he can be gender neutral.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

I don't get this thought process. It has nothing to do with wanking or sexual desire. Attractive, strong, intelligent, charismatic, [insert positive trait here], etc. are all part of the setup for the majority of entertainment media. Why? Because they are desirable traits. If people had their way and effort wasn't an obstacle, everyone would choose to be this way.

Nathan Drake is a badass and I doubt most of us even approach that physique, the same applies for most major female characters. These are escapism and power fantasy avatars, they aren't going to go over as well if they are fat, ugly, slobs.

There is nothing wrong with making a character however the artist envisions them, there is however something wrong with attacking those who don't want to adopt a bullshit standard.

Humans generally strive to better themselves, contrary to the latest bullshit narrative. You are most definitely NOT fine just the way you are, try to be better.

This is superficial bullshit. Everyone isn't attractive and therefore every fictional protagonist shouldn't be attractive. Part of the appeal of escapism is being able to relate to protagonists and one way of making that possible is to make protagonists who are as attractive as average people - average people being the majority of people who indulge in escapism.

 

[gioGAF]

This is superficial bullshit. Everyone isn't attractive and therefore every fictional protagonist shouldn't be attractive. Part of the appeal of escapism is being able to relate to protagonists and one way of making that possible is to make protagonists who are as attractive as average people - average people being the majority of people who indulge in escapism.

Lol, take a look at Hollywood, watch any sort of programming, etc. No one on there is average, you have a talent of some kind, whether your appearance, voice, athletic ability, etc. No one is interested in average.

 

[SonGoku]

Masculine female character playing a vital role in the story means the game is "woke". They believe it's forcing this agenda down our throats. I don't see why this would trigger people so much.

Its garbage plot to make you kill characters you played as in the first game, it shits all over and undermines the first with this poor excuse of a dogshit sequel. TLOU should have never gotten a sequel
This story-line isnt relatable, no matter the spin and retcon players won't suddenly fall in love with these new set of characters you are forced to play the second half of the game not content with that they are setting it up for another dogshit sequel were you play as this random unlikable character against ellie.

That's my main gripe with the game, all the sjw politics are just the turd on top of the diarrhea.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Lol, take a look at Hollywood, watch any sort of programming, etc. No one on there is average, you have a talent of some kind, whether your appearance, voice, athletic ability, etc. No one is interested in average.

You were emphasizing looks. So....

 

[Deleted member 17706]

honestly have never seen a woman that muscular in my life. except of course online or tv, but never in real life.

Ever been to a gym?