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[winjer]

Which is the ultimate in petty.

If AMD did it there would be an uproar. But since it’s the more popular brand - it’s swept under the rug.

Another thing I noticed is that some NVidia sponsored games, only use FSR2.0 Not the more advanced FSR 2.1 or 2.2
So the diference between FSR2.0 and DLSS is greater than if they used FSR2.1 or 2.2.
Dying Light 2 is one such example of a game I played recently.

So sometimes NVidia is not just blocking games from having FSR2 and XeSS, but also blocking the FSR mod, or forcing devs to use the worst version of FSR2.

 

[Chiggs]

This thread in a nutshell:

 

[SmokedMeat]

That's cool. What does it do in Cyberpunk with Raytracing maxed or Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition against a 4080? It's a joke, and that little $200 dollars extra isn't worth the massive loss in RT performance, losing access to the best Temporal Upscaler, and losing access to Frame Generation.

To the person that prefers native over upscalers it might be worth going with the GPU that’s generally better in rasterization.

Especially when it can be a couple hundred bucks less.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The reason why you will see more of FSR, is because it's open source and the consoles (developers bread and butter) don't support DLSS due to nVidia using their market position to lock exclusive features to the hardware on an "open platform."

 

[SmokedMeat]

Another thing I noticed is that some NVidia sponsored games, only use FSR2.0 Not the more advanced FSR 2.1 or 2.2
So the diference between FSR2.0 and DLSS is greater than if they used FSR2.1 or 2.2.
Dying Light 2 is one such example of a game I played recently.

So sometimes NVidia is not just blocking games from having FSR2 and XeSS, but also blocking the FSR mod, or forcing devs to use the worst version of FSR2.

AMD needs to allow their customers to drop the latest FSR version into their games.

 

[winjer]

AMD needs to allow their customers to drop the latest FSR version into their games.

Most devs just put the FSR2 code into the game. Only a few do have a separate dll, that can be swapped. But it's very rare.

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

Was playing some Jedi Survivor over lunch and DLSS would really clean this game up as the TAA implementation is really poor. Even with the FSR turned off there's obvious artifacting due to the terrible TAA - with FSR it's the same but with added grain and fix in the image. Obviously nowhere near the smudgy mess that it is on console but clearly noticeable.

I know Nvidia do this shit too but it missing DLSS (RE4 is another recent one) makes certain games feel like they are way worse than they need to be for the sake of probably an afternoons' work for one of the game devs.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Was playing some Jedi Survivor over lunch and DLSS would really clean this game up as the TAA implementation is really poor. Even with the FSR turned off there's obvious artifacting due to the terrible TAA - with FSR it's the same but with added grain and fix in the image. Obviously nowhere near the smudgy mess that it is on console but clearly noticeable.

I know Nvidia do this shit too but it missing DLSS (RE4 is another recent one) makes certain games feel like they are way worse than they need to be for the sake of probably an afternoons' work for one of the game devs.

Ask nVidia to go open source on the "open platform."

For the gamers™

 

[nemiroff]

The same way. Nvidia sponsored titles with no FSR.

You say that, and I'm not saying that you're wrong. It's just that I didn't see any examples of that in the list of sponsored games in the video. All the Nvidia sponsored games appeared to have FSR to me? So that's why I'm still a bit puzzled.. Maybe I'm missing something, but no one has showed me the receipts yet.

 

[winjer]

You say that, and I'm not saying that you're wrong. It's just that I didn't see any examples of that in the list of sponsored games in the video. All the Nvidia sponsored games appeared to have FSR to me? So that's why I'm still a bit puzzled.. Maybe I'm missing something, but no one has showed me the receipts yet.

ToTTenTranz already posted a more complete list of recent games with FSR/DLSS, on the first page that show more NVidia sponsored games that don't have FSR2.
WCCFTech was doing a bit of cherry picking, to make up their story and get more clicks.

Release Date	Title	Bundle/Cross Promo Partner	FSR 1/2 Release	DLSS Release
06/15/2023	Rainbow Six: Extraction (WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	06/15/2023
5/30/2023	Vampire the Masquerade: Swansong (WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	5/30/2023
5/2/2023	Redfall	NVIDIA	5/2/2023	5/2/2023
4/28/2023	STAR WARS: Jedi Survivor	AMD	4/28/2023	None
4/21/2023	Dead Island 2	AMD	4/21/2023	None
3/28/2023	Last of Us Part 1	AMD	3/28/2023	3/28/2023
3/23/2023	Resident Evil 4 Remake	AMD	3/23/2023	None
1/24/2023	Forspoken	AMD	1/24/2023	1/24/2023
12/2/2022	Callisto Protocol	AMD	12/2/2022	None
12/1/2022	Marvel's Midnight Suns (DLSS2 + FSR1 only)	NVIDIA	12/1/2022	12/1/2022
11/30/2022	Warhammer 40K Darktide	NVIDIA	11/30/2022	11/30/2022
10/27/2022	Sackboy: A Big Adventure (WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	10/27/2022
10/19/2022	Uncharted Legacy of Thieves Collection	AMD	10/19/2022	10/19/2022
10/17/2022	A Plague Tale: Requiem (WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	10/17/2022
10/04/2022	Dakar Desert Rally(WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	10/04/2022
8/23/2022	Saints Row	AMD	11/29/2022	None
8/12/2022	Marvel's Spiderman Remastered	NVIDIA	8/12/2022	8/12/2022
5/25/2022	Sniper Elite 5	AMD	5/25/2022	None
3/30/2022	Death Stranding Directors Cut	NVIDIA	9/28/2022	3/30/2022
3/24/2022	Ghostwire Tokyo	NVIDIA	3/24/2022	3/24/2022
11/15/2021	Halo Infinite (uses proprietary upscaling)	AMD	None	None
11/11/2021	GTA Trilogy: The Definitive Edition (WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	11/11/2021
10/26/2021	Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy	NVIDIA	2/11/2022	10/26/2021
10/7/2021	Far Cry 6	AMD	10/7/2021	None
10/6/2021	Battlefield 2042	NVIDIA	None	10/6/2021
5/7/2021	Resident Evil Village	AMD	7/19/2021	None
11/23/2020	World of Warcraft Shadowlands (no temporal upscaling supported by aging engine)	AMD	11/13/2021 (FSR1)	None

 

[DeepEnigma]

ToTTenTranz already posted a more complete list of recent games with FSR/DLSS, on the first page that show more NVidia sponsored games that don't have FSR2.
WCCFTech was doing a bit of cherry picking, to make up their story and get more clicks.

Release Date	Title	Bundle/Cross Promo Partner	FSR 1/2 Release	DLSS Release
06/15/2023	Rainbow Six: Extraction (WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	06/15/2023
5/30/2023	Vampire the Masquerade: Swansong (WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	5/30/2023
5/2/2023	Redfall	NVIDIA	5/2/2023	5/2/2023
4/28/2023	STAR WARS: Jedi Survivor	AMD	4/28/2023	None
4/21/2023	Dead Island 2	AMD	4/21/2023	None
3/28/2023	Last of Us Part 1	AMD	3/28/2023	3/28/2023
3/23/2023	Resident Evil 4 Remake	AMD	3/23/2023	None
1/24/2023	Forspoken	AMD	1/24/2023	1/24/2023
12/2/2022	Callisto Protocol	AMD	12/2/2022	None
12/1/2022	Marvel's Midnight Suns (DLSS2 + FSR1 only)	NVIDIA	12/1/2022	12/1/2022
11/30/2022	Warhammer 40K Darktide	NVIDIA	11/30/2022	11/30/2022
10/27/2022	Sackboy: A Big Adventure (WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	10/27/2022
10/19/2022	Uncharted Legacy of Thieves Collection	AMD	10/19/2022	10/19/2022
10/17/2022	A Plague Tale: Requiem (WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	10/17/2022
10/04/2022	Dakar Desert Rally(WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	10/04/2022
8/23/2022	Saints Row	AMD	11/29/2022	None
8/12/2022	Marvel's Spiderman Remastered	NVIDIA	8/12/2022	8/12/2022
5/25/2022	Sniper Elite 5	AMD	5/25/2022	None
3/30/2022	Death Stranding Directors Cut	NVIDIA	9/28/2022	3/30/2022
3/24/2022	Ghostwire Tokyo	NVIDIA	3/24/2022	3/24/2022
11/15/2021	Halo Infinite (uses proprietary upscaling)	AMD	None	None
11/11/2021	GTA Trilogy: The Definitive Edition (WCCFTech failed to include in list)	NVIDIA	None	11/11/2021
10/26/2021	Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy	NVIDIA	2/11/2022	10/26/2021
10/7/2021	Far Cry 6	AMD	10/7/2021	None
10/6/2021	Battlefield 2042	NVIDIA	None	10/6/2021
5/7/2021	Resident Evil Village	AMD	7/19/2021	None
11/23/2020	World of Warcraft Shadowlands (no temporal upscaling supported by aging engine)	AMD	11/13/2021 (FSR1)	None

Whelp. WCCFTech has been hacks for quite some time. This just ads more to their (probably sponsored article) buffoonery.

 

[winjer]

Whelp. WCCFTech has been hacks for quite some time. This just ads more to their (probably sponsored article) buffoonery.

And then several other media outlets and youtubers copied their non-sense article.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And then several other media outlets and youtubers copied their non-sense article.

Nobody fact checks anymore. They just rush to confirmation bias and emotion. GAF > Internet > GAF.

 

[Leonidas]

WCCFTech was doing a bit of cherry picking, to make up their story and get more clicks.

There was no cherry picking. WCCFTech specifically mentioned bundled games, as I have in the topic title.

The only title I know of missing from the list is Diablo IV, which is the most recent Nvidia bundle. That game includes both DLSS & FSR.

Nobody fact checks anymore. They just rush to confirmation bias and emotion. GAF > Internet > GAF.

More like no one reads anymore...

 

[DeepEnigma]

There was no cherry picking. WCCFTech specifically mentioned bundled games, as I have in the topic title.

The only title I know of missing from the list is Diablo IV, which is the most recent Nvidia bundle. That game includes both DLSS & FSR.


More like no one reads anymore...

Oh, because that makes all the difference. #totes #qualifiers #narrativeshaping

 

[Zathalus]

Any game that includes FSR/DLSS should include the other. It is a trivial amount of work to do.

 

[winjer]

There was no cherry picking.

Of course you would say that.

 

[Leonidas]

Oh, because that makes all the difference. #totes #qualifiers #narrativeshaping

It does make a difference, those bundled games are paid for by AMD.

Of course you would say that.

Yes because I understood what bundled meant went I create the thread. People adding games to the list either didn't understand or didn't read...

 

[Buggy Loop]

Oh, because that makes all the difference. #totes #qualifiers #narrativeshaping

It does

And the list of « promoted » is basically meaningless, it doesn’t mean fuck all that a game finds in way in the list of Nvidia’s DLSS supported games, it’s quite the stretch to compare that with an actual sponsorship or bundle. Not all games on DLSS support list are sponsored.

Don’t be a brainlet, think.

And going back to your open source comment, Star Wars Jedi survivor is UE4. Literally a 2 mins process, a toggle if you already spent the whooping 1 minute it takes to install the plugin



Again, why do you need open source? What can the devs do with it? They claim they don’t have time or ressources, and you expect them to go into source code? They don’t even do that with FSR.

Peoples throw buzz words around without understanding what they ask for.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It does make a difference, those bundled games are paid for by AMD.

Yes because I understood what bundled meant went I create the thread. People adding games to the list either didn't understand or didn't read...

Oh no, marketing. In which a developer agrees as well.

But something something only AMD, something something open platform PC is the best, something something proprietary software locked to hardware features.

Once again,

Ask nVidia to go open source on the "open platform."

For the gamers™

 

[Buggy Loop]

Oh no, marketing. In which a developer agrees as well.

But something something only AMD, something something open platform PC is the best, something something proprietary software locked to hardware features.

Once again,

You’re just regurgitating open source buzz word without having a clue.

I guarantee you not a single PC dev opened the FSR source code. They apply the SDK or the plugin. That’s it.

Can’t expect these peoples who have a hard time to toggle a plugin or to implement ultrawide to even comprehend what’s behind these upscalers.

You can repeat open source till the end of time if you want, doesn’t change anything. The SDK is open to public, that’s all you need to implement it.

 

[winjer]

Yes because I understood what bundled meant went I create the thread. People adding games to the list either didn't understand or didn't read...

Bundled games are not the only way companies sponsor games for their tech.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You’re just regurgitating open source buzz word without having a clue.

I guarantee you not a single PC dev opened the FSR source code. They apply the SDK or the plugin. That’s it.

Can’t expect these peoples who have a hard time to toggle a plugin or to implement ultrawide to even comprehend what’s behind these upscalers.

You can repeat open source till the end of time if you want, doesn’t change anything. The SDK is open to public, that’s all you need to implement it.

Once again, this would not be an issue, if features weren't locked behind your hardware.

nVidia engages in the same practice for sponsored games, more so even, when open source sits right there as well. As proven by posters in this thread.

Bundled games are not the only way companies sponsor games for their tech.

 

[8BiTw0LF]

Oh hi Leonidas

 

[Buggy Loop]

Bundled games are not the only way companies sponsor games for their tech.

Adding « Game X supports DLSS » to a list is not an automatic sponsor either. I think we can agree on that winjer

 

[winjer]

Adding « Game X supports DLSS » to a list is not an automatic sponsor either. I think we can agree on that winjer

There are several ways to sponsor a game. And bundling a game is just one of those ways.
Along the years, NVidia has paid for a lot of games to have their tech included, despite not having a bundle agreement. The same for Intel and AMD.
Sending a team of engineers, to help implement tech is another way to sponsor a game.
In this latest case, NVidia has been doing it since the very start. For example, Jensen once gave an interview where he talked about how his company would convince game devs to use the texture formats that the Riva cards supported.

 

[Buggy Loop]

There are several ways to sponsor a game. And bundling a game is just one of those ways.
Along the years, NVidia has paid for a lot of games to have their tech included, despite not having a bundle agreement. The same for Intel and AMD.
Sending a team of engineers, to help implement tech is another way to sponsor a game.
In this latest case, NVidia has been doing it since the very start. For example, Jensen once gave an interview where he talked about how his company would convince game devs to use the texture formats that the Riva cards supported.

Yea but that's just pure speculation on our part to guess if they sponsored or not just because a game has X feature, especially difficult now that so many engines have the plugin and the SDK is available.

So while some are jumping on wccftech, peoples are clamoring pure speculation from an user here on which games were sponsored?

If peoples want FSR from Nvidia bundled games, fucking ask the devs too btw and put pressure, i'm not on any camp that there should be any exclusives.

Reminder that this is a thing and i'm all for it

Has Nvidia just become the good guy in the whole DLSS vs FSR vs XeSS debate?

Nvidia's open-source approach to making it easier for devs to implement rivals' super sampling tech is laudable.

www.pcgamer.com

Streamline

developer.nvidia.com

Why are peoples not even talking about this? Oh because EVIL Nvidia

But pissing off 75% of the marketshare with a lesser upscaling solution? Again, why would that convince me to switch team. I only see that their solution is subpar when i have to use it.

 

[winjer]

Yea but that's just pure speculation on our part to guess if they sponsored or not just because a game has X feature, especially difficult now that so many engines have the plugin and the SDK is available.

So while some are jumping on wccftech, peoples are clamoring pure speculation from an user here on which games were sponsored?

If peoples want FSR from Nvidia bundled games, fucking ask the devs too btw and put pressure, i'm not on any camp that there should be any exclusives.

Reminder that this is a thing and i'm all for it

Has Nvidia just become the good guy in the whole DLSS vs FSR vs XeSS debate?

Nvidia's open-source approach to making it easier for devs to implement rivals' super sampling tech is laudable.

www.pcgamer.com

Streamline

developer.nvidia.com

Why are peoples not even talking about this? Oh because EVIL Nvidia

But pissing off 75% of the marketshare with a lesser upscaling solution? Again, why would that convince me to switch team. I only see that their solution is subpar when i have to use it.

This is not speculation. Sponsorships are not just game bundles. Never have been.

Asking devs only goes so far. If they don't have time or the budget, it won't matter.
And I agree with you that all games should have DLSS2, FSR2 and XeSS1.1
But NVidia, Intel and AMD are playing these exclusivity games that only hurt consumers.

NVidia has been pissing off consumers on all brands, including theirs, for decades with their shenanigans. So let's not pretend that AMD or Intel are the only ones doing bad things here.
If NVidia was so good, they would open DLSS, like AMD and Intel dis with FSR2 and XeSS.

Streamline seems like a great idea, but with NVidia's long history of sabotaging the competition, it's normal that other companies are reticent in using it.
Whatever you may think about AMD os Intel's dealings on the GPU market, over the years, NVidia puts both to shame.

 

[Leonidas]

Whatever you may think about AMD os Intel's dealings on the GPU market, over the years, NVidia puts both to shame.

When it comes to bundled games, the point of this thread. AMD is categorically worse.

 

[winjer]

When it comes to bundled games, the point of this thread. AMD is categorically worse.

You just insist in the "bundle games argument" because this time around it benefits you.
Any other time, and you would change your argument completely.

 

[Buggy Loop]

This is not speculation. Sponsorships are not just game bundles. Never have been.

Right,

But it's speculation to put them on a list of sponsored games based on them supporting DLSS.

 

[Leonidas]

You just insist in the "bundle games argument" because this time around it benefits you.
Any other time, and you would change your argument completely.

Because I'm not going to get into speculation, I stick with facts. There is a much higher percentage of Nvidia bundled games with FSR than there are AMD bundled games with DLSS. That is 100% fact.

You agreed with ToTTenTranz list despite the fact that he added only non-bundled games to a bundled games list.

I'm not entering into speculation arguments with you fanboys.

 

[winjer]

Right,

But it's speculation to put them on a list of sponsored games based on them supporting DLSS.

Not speculation if there is evidence of NVidia sponsoring tech in their games.
For example, A Plague Tale requiem was sponsored for RTX implementation.
Even before the game released and NVidia was advertising the RTX and DLSS partnership on that game.

 

[winjer]

Because I'm not going to get into speculation, I stick with facts. There is a much higher percentage of Nvidia bundled games with FSR than there are AMD bundled games with DLSS. That is 100% fact.

You agreed with ToTTenTranz list despite the fact that he added only non-bundled games to a bundled games list.

I'm not entering into speculation arguments with you fanboys.

You disagree with that list because it doesn't fit your narrative.

BTW, Far Cry 6 was not bundled with Radeon GPUs. It was bundled with Ryzen 5000 CPU's.
Maybe this shouldn't even be on the WCCFTech list.

 

[Leonidas]

You disagree with that list because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I want FSR and DLSS in all games...

BTW, Far Cry 6 was not bundled with Radeon GPUs. It was bundled with Ryzen 5000 CPU's.
Maybe this shouldn't even be on the WCCFTech list.

It is a AMD bundled game.

Even if you take it off the list the story is still the same. There is a much higher percentage of Nvidia bundled games with FSR than there are AMD bundled games with DLSS. That is 100% fact.

 

[winjer]

I want FSR and DLSS in all games...

Me too. And XeSS.

It is a AMD bundled game.

Even if you take it off the list the story is still the same. There is a much higher percentage of Nvidia bundled games with FSR than there are AMD bundled games with DLSS. That is 100% fact.

You are so picky for some games and not others, I wonder why............

 

[Buggy Loop]

To the person that prefers native over upscalers it might be worth going with the GPU that’s generally better in rasterization.

Especially when it can be a couple hundred bucks less.

Those 1% lows on 7900XTX are nasty

And then there's inherent worse latencies on AMD (without reflex)

And RDNA 3's VR performances are subpar

And you can use frame gen without upscaler..
Or use DLAA
Reflex being better
...
I don't think anyone should be either of them, but i have a hard time grasping at what kind of person thinks 7900XTX is a better proposition. Unless like you get to $1k range for a fucking PC component but $100 more is too much

 

[Leonidas]

Me too. And XeSS.



You are so picky for some games and not others, I wonder why............

Because for bundled games we can 100% say they were paid for. Simple as that. I stick with facts, not speculation. If you go away from the bundled games you can't say for sure if Nvidia or AMD bought it unless the developer speaks up on it...

 

[winjer]

Because for bundled games we can 100% say they were paid for. Simple as that. I stick with facts, not speculation. If you go away from the bundled games you can't say for sure if Nvidia or AMD bought it unless the developer speaks up on it...

Give me a break with that bundled games only non-sense.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You just insist in the "bundle games argument" because this time around it benefits you.
Any other time, and you would change your argument completely.

 

[OverHeat]

Ray tracing is the future AMD need to keep up…

 

[Buggy Loop]

Give me a break with that bundled games only non-sense.

Ok

Now do Intel "sponsorship" for XESS with all that speculation you seem to have solid faith in.

 

[winjer]

Ok

Now do Intel "sponsorship" for XESS with all that speculation you seem to have solid faith in.

Riftbreaker.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Riftbreaker.

The list of XESS games is much bigger. Cmon, speculate on sponsorships

 

[winjer]

The list of XESS games is much bigger. Cmon, speculate on sponsorships

You wanted an example.
Riftbreaker was a sponsored title by Intel, for implementing XeSS and RT. In fact, it was one of the very firsts and was part of the Arch marketing campaign. And it was never bundled with Arch GPUs.
Only recently got an update for FSR2. I don't know if it has DLSS.

 

[Leonidas]

You are so picky for some games and not others, I wonder why............

I still don't understand how I'm being picky when the article and OP clearly both stated bundled games? The only people to change goalposts in this thread is people like you, ToTTenTranz , and others of your ilk...

 

[Hudo]

The GPU market in general is a fucking shitshow. We've got Nvidia who are currently trying to normalize ridiculously high GPU prices for consumer cards, they have a defacto monopoly and a hard vendor lock-in they abuse with CUDA. Then we have AMD who have lost their mid-spec consumer card segment to Intel and have trouble competing on the overpriced high-end stuff, especially when it comes to massive parallel computing since OpenCL and ROCm are just not developed enough compared to CUDA and then we have Intel who need to work on their drivers and will probably take a couple of years before they can challenge Nvidia on their home turf.

 

[Leonidas]

GN ask's AMD a direct question on the matter.



AMD's response.

no comment

Good to see GN question AMD on this matter.

Sad to see AMD still being shady on the topic.

 

[BearNecessity]

The argument really comes down to 'AMD shouldnt sponsor games.'
Because AMD sponsoring a game that has features it cant support would be pretty dumb. Like if YOU were AMD would you do that?

"Check out this full path raytracing with DLSS3 that the Xbox, PS5, and our cards cant support'

 

[Haint]

Why was this topic title ever ammended to FUD in the first place? For anyone with a half functioning brain It's clearly the case that AMD has contracts in place that bar DLSS. They've now refused to answer both PCgamer and GN which is as close to 100% confirmation as feasibly possible the "FUD" article was accurate. No company is going to voluntarily take this kind of PR and image hit if they could honestly answer a simple question with "no, we do not have any language or stipulations regarded DLSS in our partnered titles".