FunkMiller
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God’s speed to all those of you still prepared to consume what the factory is spitting out.
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Andor |OT| Disney+
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PaddyOCanager
Member
Disney has owned Star Wars since 2012 - I wasn't "done" after a single show, I've given them 10 years to figure it out and the only live action I've enjoyed was the Mandalorian. The video games have been few and far between, the comics have been mediocre, and I've only enjoyed one book release (Lost Stars). I've also played the X-Wing miniature game.
Fett was the last straw, I skipped Obi Wan and Bad Batch, and I had no intention of watching Andor until the feedback started rolling in. I've been a fan for 30 years - but please, go ahead and blame me for the problems with the franchise.
Toons
Member
I never blamed you for the problems of the franchise lol. Why does everyone feel like everything is about them?
If that's your criteria for determining stuff then by all means. But if you literslly only have liked one or two things in the last ten years, then I'm surprised you lasted this long in the franchise at all is what I'm saying. We've been getting bad star wars product for 50 years, but I love the world and the characters in it so ill always give it a chance personally. I do hope you enjoy andor.
PaddyOCanager
Member
You said fickle fans are a problem with the franchise. You then literally said I was an example of what you were talking about and made fun of me for giving up after one show. That's why I felt blamed, obviously.
Now you're throwing shade at me for lasting this long in the franchise? What stance are you even taking at this point? Your take on the fandom is pure cringe and comes off like Disney's Twitter account.
The_hunter
Member
About to finish episode 1, it's a dark thriller. It touches unusual subjects and genres not seen in star wars. The budget is much higher than Boba Fett.
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ManaByte
Member
Lots of real sets. Very minimal volume usage.
sol_bad
Member
Very cool first 3 episodes, has me hooked. Probably my favourite show currently airing.
Caspian, Big and Luthen are all intriguing characters and I can't wait to learn more about them. I liked the Pre-Mor Authority guy at first, just doing his job, but by the end of episode 3 I hated him and the whole company. LOL
Action scenes were well done and pretty intense too.
My wife felt sad at the end of episode 3 knowing what happens to Cassian.
Caspian, Big and Luthen are all intriguing characters and I can't wait to learn more about them. I liked the Pre-Mor Authority guy at first, just doing his job, but by the end of episode 3 I hated him and the whole company. LOL
Action scenes were well done and pretty intense too.
My wife felt sad at the end of episode 3 knowing what happens to Cassian.
Ammogeddon
Member
Sat down to watch episode 1 tonight but ended up watching all 3. Thank god they released all three, otherwise I’d be pretty gutted the way they end 1 and 2. I heard the series is pretty much done in three episode arcs, if so I hope we get 4, 5 and 6 next week.
Anyway, I love it. A proper adult Star Wars show actually works. I don’t mind the slow pace, I actually welcome it when it’s written and acted as well as it is.
Andor can go in my top list of the Disney Star Wars era. It’s not just a great Star Wars show, it’s a damn good show in its own right.
Anyway, I love it. A proper adult Star Wars show actually works. I don’t mind the slow pace, I actually welcome it when it’s written and acted as well as it is.
Andor can go in my top list of the Disney Star Wars era. It’s not just a great Star Wars show, it’s a damn good show in its own right.
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ManaByte
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Ironbunny
Member
Its pretty much the same all episodes.
Artoris
Gold Member
new hope?Just started watching. Strong Wall-E vibes in the beginning
It’s slow paced, but feels fresh. Interesting. (Don’t give me hope!)
PaddyOCanager
Member
Watched the first 3 episodes. It was great, totally loved it. World building, character development, good dialogue, acting, cinematography, music.......leaps and bounds better than anything we've seen recently from Star Wars. If it keeps this up it will easily outclass Mandalorian - the other shows aren't even in the same ballpark as this one. Fucking wow.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Watched the first 3 episodes. It was great, totally loved it. World building, character development, good dialogue, acting, cinematography, music.......leaps and bounds better than anything we've seen recently from Star Wars. If it keeps this up it will easily outclass Mandalorian - the other shows aren't even in the same ballpark as this one. Fucking wow.
That soundtrack especially, man is It good
PaddyOCanager
Member
Omg yeah.......so so good.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
BTW I thought Book of Boba Fett was great. Give it a B+. Now Obi-Wan was a HUGE disappointment
Pilgrimzero
Member
Loved Rogue One (only good Disney era film), but man is this show boring as fuck. Even the action in the 3rd episode was... mid.
PaddyOCanager
Member
I loved the Pre-Mor guy........totally can see him developing into a Moff or something someday if that's where they want to go with the story. I hope they keep him a villain and don't Disney him.
I liked all the characters honestly, really didn't give a shit about Cassian in Rogue One but I do now.
sol_bad
Member
That wascthe one problem Rogue One had, as great as it looked, sounded and was in general, it really lacked in the character development.
I'm happy this show is rectifying that.
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And I should mention, when I say I hate the Pre-Mor guys, I mean I hate then for wanting to capture Cassian. They are really well done characters, they don't feel evil, just grey characters that are doing their jobs.
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GeorgioCostanzaX
Gold Member
Don’t get me wrong I loved Obi Wan but boy the production value on this is near cinema level. Makes you wonder if Ewan McGregor’s salary made the budget not stretch as far or something.
Mattdaddy
Gold Member
Same dude that first shot of Ep 1 was giving me big time bladerunner vibes.
This show is really good, im pumped
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Xenon
Member
Endor, Andor... That's some lazy ass shit. I'm not expecting any creativity in the writing here. I heard there is not going to be fan service either. Sadly, fan service to these people means a respect for the history, canon, themes and tone of the IPs they are working on.
I like this guys takes, not afraid to call things just average.
I like this guys takes, not afraid to call things just average.
GeorgioCostanzaX
Gold Member
Seems higher than Obi Wan which is weird because I actually did love the show but the rematch of Obi Wan and Vader deserved the budget Andor has: it feels like a movie worthy of the big screen.
HoodWinked
Member
da fuck?! It's weird to see Star Wars stuff being made in a competent fashion. The direction and world building is really top notch. It's like they're trying to craft a good show but in the hard way. They could have easily pulled out a light saber, a jedi or a cameo but they didn't, very weird to witness from a Disney product that has no shame in whoring out their wares. Was pretty burned out from Star Wars after Reva Wan Kenobi and had little interest in seeing this but turned out to be pretty good.
i think so, the first two episodes really setup the third episode and closes out the prologue pretty well.
pramod
Banned
There's been nothing like this show made in the history of Star Wars. It doesn't even feel like Star Wars. The characters don't talk or act like Star Wars characters.
In the first 2 episodes we've already seen stuff never seen before in Star Wars.
It's slow moving but the awesome world building and realistic characters has drawn me in. I don't think there's a single badly written or acted character in the whole show yet, and that's saying something.
It's ironic but my main complaint so far is that I'm having a hard time getting invested in Andor himself. I still have no idea what he is really after or what led him to where he is now. I guess that's going to be slowly revealed in the rest of the show.
I actually find Bix to be a lot more interesting (and she's hot too).
In the first 2 episodes we've already seen stuff never seen before in Star Wars.
It's slow moving but the awesome world building and realistic characters has drawn me in. I don't think there's a single badly written or acted character in the whole show yet, and that's saying something.
It's ironic but my main complaint so far is that I'm having a hard time getting invested in Andor himself. I still have no idea what he is really after or what led him to where he is now. I guess that's going to be slowly revealed in the rest of the show.
I actually find Bix to be a lot more interesting (and she's hot too).
ManaByte
Member
Amiga
Member
He gave a lame non answer to a legitimate question. The shape of world is set though. there are no expectations for evolution of the world and discoveries have little value. prequals could be interesting in limited amounts not when they are over 90% of the content. I don't don't understand this franchises aversion to going forward. more fans would get on board there are real stakes.
ManaByte
Member
We’ve never seen how the Rebel Alliance started. They’ve done it in a video game, but not in canon yet. That’s what this show is about.
Amiga
Member
There is something interesting here and production could be great. IMOO the Mandalorian is one of the best shows on TV ever. But it was a prequal, also ObiWan , and Fett. at least have some new history content in between.
Star Trek rarely had prequals and most of the time they did they coped out with time travel.
ManaByte
Member
What is Mando a prequel to?
Guess I'll have to give it a shot.
Ionian
Member
A good point actually. The fact is was a stand-alone and introduced new characters was what made me enjoy it more.
The back-story is very over saturated.
Rogue One however did prove a decent back-story could be told.
The sequel trilogy did not. For me they wrote themselves into a corner.
Just IMHO.
Want =/= receive.
But unless there is some sort of nefarious twist (i.e. the Rebellion was ALSO started by Palpatine in order to sow chaos and it either got away from him or ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU and his overthrow, eventual resurrection, over throw AGAIN, and maybe a surprise resurrection again again is a part of his scheme) what value does showing the start of the Rebellion really have? This isn't filling in a real history, so there is no inherent educational value, it's just creative bankruptcy because they don't have faith that an original idea would draw the viewership of a familiar one.
This fear is a valid one, mind you, I have a quickly diminishing level of "give a shit" the farther away from the OT they get, but that's mostly from an aesthetic level as I don't really care for the PT industrial design and the ST is just a narrative mess and their new designs are ATROCIOUS. So something like the now scrapped Rogue Squadron, if it had A, B, X, and Y wings, would have interested me more than the same show with sloppy new designs.
I'm not sure the structure of the Empire, in particular how quickly a GALAXY spanning organization could morph so quickly, would really hold up under the scrutiny an adult focused thriller would put it under. So either the Empire is basically the Republic with a slight shift in policy (i.e. all the policing, military presence, strong human hiring preference over aliens, etc were ALREADY in place) or there is a MASSIVE amount of heavy lifting in order to turn an equitable and benevolent Republic (aka something worth scrapping the Empire for and returning to) into the Empire we see on screen that could motivate the Rebellion as "the good guys" versus just agents of chaos or now disenfranchised self-serving politicians.
So I'm worried that Andor will have to resort to really ham-fisted "Empire is bad, hur dur" level shenanigans in order to be able to present the Rebellion as anything other than domestic terrorists. For a superficial space adventure it's fine, but for what Andor seems to want to be, there be troubled waters ahead.
TFA, of course. Especially with all the jedi stuff they are adding to it. We KNOW Grogu isn't gonna become a master Jedi alongside Luke. Hell, we KNOW he isn't even gonna have time to age much with Luke because there is a short timeframe till Ben comes along. We KNOW the Mandalorians are not gonna get their shit together, retake their planet, and then spread out across the Galaxy or anything because there is NO HINT of them in the ST. So Mando is ultimately just a side story. Maybe the mandalorians and Grogu will leapfrog the ST and re-emerge 100 years later (having Mandalorians threaten the galaxy and force Rey and Kylo to work together would have been a FAR superior choice than Palpatine 2.0 in RoS in my opinion) but seems unlikely. Should Mando and it's spin-off keep going, I strongly suspect everything will wrap up in such a fashion that the ST can continue without modification. Best we are likely to get will be some reference to Snoke or Starkiller Base as an easter egg Duh Duh DUHHHH.
Billbofet
Member
I fell asleep as well. It was almost too slow, but I did like what I saw.
I do appreciate that it's not on Tatooine, there is no talk of Jabba the Hutt, and zero references to Skywalker.
ManaByte
Member
Mando is set 30 years before TFA and outside of cameos an Easter Eggs (which do hilariously debunk the theory that the ST is being retconned) has no characters or storylines from the ST. But it's a Prequel to something it has no tangible connection to? OK.
The ST involves the ENTIRE GALAXY, at least the organized part with humans in it. Were the Mandalorians running around conquering planets and no one bothered to mention it 'cause the First Order was such a more pressing matter? Were Grogu and Asokha cranking out non-Jedi jedi but one of them bothered to step in to stop the PLANET DESTROYING threat?
Seems unlikely. So the overall stakes in Mando/Fett/Asokha (even Obi-wan as we have seen) are laughably low since NOTHING they can do WILL MATTER since all the major strokes are set. Can you set some side stories in those gaps? Sure. And that's all they will ever be. At the end everything will be the same pre-determined state it was at the beginning. This is a shame because unlike Snoke and the First Order, the Mandalorians could have been a real valid threat to galactic stability instead of the poor Empire substitute we got on screen. Maybe they do and get crushed by the First Order/Imperial remnants (whatever they are called at this time) to then set up the founding of the FO to then spark the creation of the Resistance ohh why do I bother......
Alex11
Member
But then why name it Star Wars? Why didn't they just make this show its own thing, are they afraid of something?
And also, I don't get what is happening with us SW fans, we like cameos like Luke in Mando, then we don't want them anymore, we like the Jedi's and want more of them, then we don't, and so on.
Like this show now, seems well received, but it has no feeling of SW, which it isn't in any way a bad thing, yet I wonder if it wasn't in the SW universe would it have been this well received?
Isn't a bit weird to say I like this SW show if it has almost none SW feel?
So, not criticizing the show, because it's interesting, but do we really know want we want anymore in the SW universe?
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