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Bragr
Banned
There is a horde of movies that are unwatchable that got great audience scores. It's completely busted.
The only reason why stuff like She-Hulk and Rings of Power got low scores is that there are large pockets of audiences that are determined to vote 1 on every social media aggregate.
Scores on sites like Tomatoes and Metacritic is determined by fanbase participation, and some films/shows have massive fanbases which will always tick the scores up to absurd levels. You also see a lot of new stuff with very select audiences get insanely positive reviews, like animes for example, because the people that watch it, already love it, and the scores reflect the bias.
The only movies that Rotten Tomatoes might have some relevance with are older movies, but even then it's mostly movie buffs that vote and watch those, and they have a tendency to be heavily biased on preconceived notions.
I think it's fun to follow Rotten Tomates and the scores. But they have very little meaning apart from gathering what the fanbases vote and how the general audience will eat up anything that is marketed heavy.
I think the critic score and the audience score reflect two different criteria. Critics often hunt for novelty, deeper level meaning or themes, and these days at least are sensitive to the corporitizarion of media which might reflect on their paycheck.
Audience is mostly "is this movie FUN" with a subset of "does this movie resonate with me". Repetitive tripe, spectacle, and overused simplistic themes can work here because audiwbes typically see only a fraction of the films a critic does and often with a far less discerning eye. Sure, there are some politically motivated scoring but how much, really?
Audience is mostly "is this movie FUN" with a subset of "does this movie resonate with me". Repetitive tripe, spectacle, and overused simplistic themes can work here because audiwbes typically see only a fraction of the films a critic does and often with a far less discerning eye. Sure, there are some politically motivated scoring but how much, really?
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Episode 3 was real good. I didn't realize Toby Haynes could direct like this.
I found the ending really sad though. Poor Andor never had anything, always running away, and possibly never will have anything. Giving it all up to help stop the Empire.
Good stuff, I am sold. I realize this kind of show isn't for everyone, but in my opinion this is easily the most well-made show or movie Disney+ has put out. Like, by far. This is HBO levels in my eyes.
I found the ending really sad though. Poor Andor never had anything, always running away, and possibly never will have anything. Giving it all up to help stop the Empire.
He clearly suffers from PTSD, trapped in the moment when he didn't warn his sibling - or whatever she was
Good stuff, I am sold. I realize this kind of show isn't for everyone, but in my opinion this is easily the most well-made show or movie Disney+ has put out. Like, by far. This is HBO levels in my eyes.
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ZehDon
Member
Is it actually this good, or are you exaggerating because its just better than the turds floating in the Disney+ soup?
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I truly think it's that good, yes. It doesn't trade on any of the flash or shallow-stake story telling all of the other recent D+ shows have, particularly Obi-Wan. It's like the exact opposite of that type of show. I will say that though I likened it to an HBO production, it doesn't get quite that dark.
Ionian
Member
Piked my interest, not that I was off but havn't got around to it yet.
Time will tell. It's setting up a lot of shit, let's see if there is payoff.
pramod
Banned
I know that Star Wars is ultimately about space wizards and Jedis and whatnot, but the ironic thing is besides from a few exceptions, all my favorite parts of Star Wars are the ones without much, or any involvement of space magic or lightsabers.
This show is just more proof of that.
This show is just more proof of that.
PaddyOCanager
Member
The prequels ruined the mystique of The Force and the Jedi. Once people started talking about midichlorian levels we entered into DBZ territory.
The problem with The Force is that it's become completely contrived. You can have a character pull a starship out of the sky in one scene, but not be able to open a locked door in another scene. The Force and the Jedi are broken story mechanics. Lightsabers don't even feel dangerous now because they get fired up constantly and swung around like wiffle ball bats - so much for being a defensive weapon.
The Mandalorian understood how the Force works best and it recaptured some of that mystique by having the main character not know anything about it. Rogue One captured how scary Vader actually is with the hallway scene. When a Jedi uses the Force it should be an impressive scene - not to flip switches, do unnecessary backflips, or serve fruit to your girlfriend. Unfortunately, SW fans clap like seals every time they see this shit and I hate it.
Agree with all of this but the bolded.
If the Force can't help you get laid, what good is it...really??
Let's just skip over any "This IS the dick you are looking for" shenanigans against the weak willed, I'm sure all the hot alien races worth banging are force resistant.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Agree with all of this but the bolded.
If the Force can't help you get laid, what good is it...really??
Let's just skip over any "This IS the dick you are looking for" shenanigans against the weak willed, I'm sure all the hot alien races worth banging are force resistant.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
ManaByte
Member
Oh you would've LOVED Lucas' ST:
‘Star Wars’: George Lucas Would Have Set Third Trilogy in ‘Microbiotic World’ Linked to Midi-Chlorians
"Star Wars" creator George Lucas told James Cameron his unfulfilled vision for Episodes VII, VIII, and IX.
www.indiewire.com
I'm kinda curious what happens to the Corp guy. What does he really have? A fairly tenuous lead to a rather nondescript looking guy IDed from a brief encounter by a brothel mistress and a shootout from them assaulting a warehouse with really no probable cause. All against direct orders no less.
Guess they will find that enigma machine thing and that will escalate the response?
I hope they get Kyle Maclauchlan to play Imperial Agent Cooper, just painted blue
Guess they will find that enigma machine thing and that will escalate the response?
I hope they get Kyle Maclauchlan to play Imperial Agent Cooper, just painted blue
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Sounds waaaaay better than the Sequel Trilogy we gotOh you would've LOVED Lucas' ST:
‘Star Wars’: George Lucas Would Have Set Third Trilogy in ‘Microbiotic World’ Linked to Midi-Chlorians
"Star Wars" creator George Lucas told James Cameron his unfulfilled vision for Episodes VII, VIII, and IX.
DKehoe
Gold Member
Considering how the Whills were an idea he had so early on I'd have been really curious to see what he would have done with that.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Same
The Clone Wars did a fantastic job expanding on the Midichlorians. It's too bad we will never see this happen
ManaByte
Member
I LOVE that we're spending a lot of time on Imperial Coruscant. There were peeks at it in the background of Rogue One, but this is showing how the place operated during the Dark Times and how the Rebellion was able to begin even there with the Senators before Palpatine disbanded the Senate in ANH.
Oh and more REAL sets and REAL locations. Fuck that Unreal Engine-powered Volume.
Oh and more REAL sets and REAL locations. Fuck that Unreal Engine-powered Volume.
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Diego Luna was right when he said this is an ensemble story despite the title. He’s not THE lead so much as he is ONE of the leads.
Can’t wait to see the Garrison mission, and more scenes of Mon Mothma funneling money for the rebellion. We’re actually getting an espionage show set in Star Wars this is cool as shit bro.
I have a feeling Carn (sp?) and the overly ambitious security officer are gonna meet. Their story parallels each other perfectly. She’ll probably go to him in the next episode or two, bypassing the Imperial chain of command to learn more about what he knows.
Its a meaty episode, worth seeing even without the full arc. Lots of new characters, locations, and plots.
Can’t wait to see the Garrison mission, and more scenes of Mon Mothma funneling money for the rebellion. We’re actually getting an espionage show set in Star Wars this is cool as shit bro.
I have a feeling Carn (sp?) and the overly ambitious security officer are gonna meet. Their story parallels each other perfectly. She’ll probably go to him in the next episode or two, bypassing the Imperial chain of command to learn more about what he knows.
Its a meaty episode, worth seeing even without the full arc. Lots of new characters, locations, and plots.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
"thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark"
ManaByte
Member
Oh I love seeing how they got the money to fuel the Rebellion. Mon Mothma funneling money from right under the Empire's noses on Coruscant while guerrillas pull off heists to steal entire sector's payrolls. Everything at this point is clandestine and under the radar, and the Rebellion itself is SMALL while the Partisans are out there doing their more terrorist-style work against the Empire.
Ammogeddon
Member
Just finished episode 4, fantastic. Everything is just on point, acting, writing, costumes, set pieces. My only gripe is the way episodes end so abruptly, but only because I want more. I get the idea with the episode trilogy arc though.
For me this is top TV show stuff. It’s up there with GoT (at it’s peak), Stranger Things, Breaking Bad, Ozark etc. Oh and Mando of course.
For me this is top TV show stuff. It’s up there with GoT (at it’s peak), Stranger Things, Breaking Bad, Ozark etc. Oh and Mando of course.
Bragr
Banned
Great episode, and like the first three, it's such a beautifully shot show, highly visually pleasing.
I find the Skarsgård scenes to be the most interesting, there is some tension around how they will keep funding the rebels without getting caught.
The small nitpick I have is that the central plot is not that riveting, Cassian is gonna keep getting deeper and deeper into the rebel factions and will go and mission after mission. And this will go on for several seasons. But there is no real danger, I feel like I can already predict how the next few seasons will go. It feels limited in what it can do in terms of Cassian's arch. But we will see, maybe I am wrong. Still great.
I find the Skarsgård scenes to be the most interesting, there is some tension around how they will keep funding the rebels without getting caught.
The small nitpick I have is that the central plot is not that riveting, Cassian is gonna keep getting deeper and deeper into the rebel factions and will go and mission after mission. And this will go on for several seasons. But there is no real danger, I feel like I can already predict how the next few seasons will go. It feels limited in what it can do in terms of Cassian's arch. But we will see, maybe I am wrong. Still great.
ManaByte
Member
It’s two seasons. 24 episodes. It ends at the beginning of Rogue One. Then he gets vaporized.
Alex11
Member
Yeah, this episode surprised me, it felt Star Wars but in it's own way. I don't need to see actual Jedi's or Vader or any heavy duty cameos, but seeing Coruscant, imperials and a reference to the Emperor if I'm not mistaken, just tiny references about the one's in power is enough, it makes it more believable and really interesting.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
This show is good as hell.
It does highlight the fact that you can't use the volume for everything. The Volume still has its use for a lot of shots and scenes, but you can tell the difference of on location shooting. Glad they went this route and hopefully they go this route for other shows.
It does highlight the fact that you can't use the volume for everything. The Volume still has its use for a lot of shots and scenes, but you can tell the difference of on location shooting. Glad they went this route and hopefully they go this route for other shows.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I thought it might have been airport.
Shizumapower
Member
Demolition Man / SDCC
pramod
Banned
Wow, best episode yet IMHO.
First of all it's the best by default just because there were no more annoying Kenari flashback scenes.
But man, this one had so much world building. And so much of Stellan Skarsgard. At this rate he's going to win another Emmy.
We finally see what happens to the "nobodies" in the SW universe. Like the guy who sold death sticks. What happens to them afterwards? Now I know...they go back to their mommies.
You know a Star Wars show is god tier when there isn't a single blaster shot and you are still riveted by just scenes of people talking.
Just like how my favorite scenes in ESB were just of Vader going around intimidating people.
First of all it's the best by default just because there were no more annoying Kenari flashback scenes.
But man, this one had so much world building. And so much of Stellan Skarsgard. At this rate he's going to win another Emmy.
We finally see what happens to the "nobodies" in the SW universe. Like the guy who sold death sticks. What happens to them afterwards? Now I know...they go back to their mommies.
You know a Star Wars show is god tier when there isn't a single blaster shot and you are still riveted by just scenes of people talking.
Just like how my favorite scenes in ESB were just of Vader going around intimidating people.
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I caught that too. I just assumed it was an accent.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
What do you think of the show?
So far I think it's up there with Rogue One and The Mandolorian Season 2 as the best Disney Star Wars
Yeah, agreed. I like it so far, and it feels like a legitimate, serious project given enough time in the oven for once. There’s some actual worldbuilding going on, like with the corpos. Skarsgaard is great, Diego Luna is doing well, that brunette with the very ex-bf is cute.
Implied sex scene in Star Wars, is that a first? Nice to see something a bit more mature and real, either way. These feel a lot more like real places where people live than in the other D+ SW projects.
The action set piece payoff in ep 3 was pretty good. Everything was played straight and given appropriate weight, which is my preference over the wacky and overly self-aware formula. Certainly miles ahead of R.R.’s trash fires in Boba Fett.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Funny enough, I really enjoyed the Boba Fett show. Other than that one episode by R.R. that featured those Spy Kids and thier speeders, I felt most of the episodes were bangers. I give the show a B+, especially since I Stan for Cad Bane.
But I do agree that R.R. was the weak link on that show
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This is why we need more vets in Hollywood, at all levels. I'm sure there was a bunch of navy vets just groaning all over but none were comfortable enough to speak up.