Jazzy Network
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I need to know the first person who buys the 128gb 6+ model off contract go up to him/her and slap the shit outta them.
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He could probably pay for someone to beat the shit out of you.
soundahfekz
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Shit. I thought that was the Plus price. smh
You don't know what you're talking about. Yes, it's overpriced, but it's going to be the fastest benchmarked phone when it released and iPhones usually have one of the best cameras.
And speaking of off contract priced phones, the Xperia Z3C is up for preorder at clove. I added it to my cart with shipping to the US just to see how much it would cost..
307.83 pounds... That's about 500 USD...
Am I missing something here? Because that's very cheap..
Jazzy Network
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Probably. But the instant gratification is worth it.
It got a huge price cut. Verrrry tempting
soundahfekz
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dat RAM though.
You can't get me to pay 7 fiddy for a phone that has 1gb of RAM in 2014. That's absurd.
Though is it Google again not being as hard nosed as Apple is with carriers?
I've wondered about that. Or rather why ios phones can run so well on so little ram whilst android phones are passing 3gb now. Is it all javas fault?
they don't need 3GB of RAM.
Whilst true, what is the ram used for when you have ios devices running the same stuff as well with less than a gb? Are there any apps that take advantage of the ram?
soundahfekz
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They don't. iPhones have to refresh content was the RAM limit has been hit, resulting in reloading tabs and applications on a regular basis. You're thinking of how optimized the OS is for the SOC, which is indeed extremely efficient and unrivaled by Android hardware OEMS that are hampered by Dalvik and a general spec.
ART + Android L should show drastic improvement on the android end in that department.
In my experience they don't run nearly as well.
Examples in my day to day work would be web browsing, G+ or other photo or story streams re-load more frequently on my iPhone than on my LG G2. Also large document management and multi tasking. Things are generally far snappier on my G2 without reloads because things can reside in memory far longer before they are swapped out.
I noticed the same significant increase in usability moving from a 1GB of RAM Android to a 2GB, my old Galaxy S3 to my G2. So it's definitely a factor of the specs, not just the platform.
And again it's not a direct one app to one app comparison, but a day to day usage swapping between things on a regular basis and keeping things running in parallel.
It's not there to be used by one app at a time. Apple's decision is either them maximizing what they've got because they know most people who buy iPhones and don't care or it's iOS itself that's holding them back because it still works around the idea of one at a time with limited multitasking.
I would expect a serious spec bump to come with a new version of iOS that won't be backwards compatible. I don't think it will be next year either because the off year is usually just a refresh of what they have.
Thats true. I do notice that with using browsers on ios. Not really with other apps though.
Probably yes to both. Sony's improved their upgrading to newer Android builds, so i'd believe so
Also, the Z4 may come early next year (Feb/March), so keep that in mind if you don't mind waiting. Should be a significant upgrade
soundahfekz
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I don't think there's anything conclusive to say when it will roll out, but why even wait? The Rom community will have much better updates out once the official build drops.
According to others in this thread, Sony has been pretty good at updating their flagships, so I'd go with less than a year. As for Z4, depends when it goes into production ahead of a theoretical launch in 6 months.
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qizah
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adios brochachos, its been fun
Wow.
OK, a few more tests using the Hangouts update and the Dialer. This was all verified by calling my own office phone from my cell phone.
Opening the Hangouts Dialer and manually punching in a number always makes a VoIP, with no way that I can find to say you want to use the cellular network.
If you open a contact from your Hangouts List and then click the phone icon at the top of the chat/message window you can pick to make either a VoIP or a cellular network call (there are "tabs" in the pop-up for selecting the one you want)
Making a VoIP call in this manner always shows my Google Voice number to the person I'm calling. If I choose to make a cellular network call, the Hangouts Dialer actually exits and opens the default phone dialer which, since I have Google Voice setup on my phone, also still shows my Google Voice number.
So without full-up integration so far I can make either kind of call and my GV number is what is visible to the person I'm calling. There is still issues with receiving calls being wonky (I haven't had much chance to test this yet), and regular SMS (ie. not MMS) messages still go to the GV app.
Opening the Hangouts Dialer and manually punching in a number always makes a VoIP, with no way that I can find to say you want to use the cellular network.
If you open a contact from your Hangouts List and then click the phone icon at the top of the chat/message window you can pick to make either a VoIP or a cellular network call (there are "tabs" in the pop-up for selecting the one you want)
Making a VoIP call in this manner always shows my Google Voice number to the person I'm calling. If I choose to make a cellular network call, the Hangouts Dialer actually exits and opens the default phone dialer which, since I have Google Voice setup on my phone, also still shows my Google Voice number.
So without full-up integration so far I can make either kind of call and my GV number is what is visible to the person I'm calling. There is still issues with receiving calls being wonky (I haven't had much chance to test this yet), and regular SMS (ie. not MMS) messages still go to the GV app.
I think having the apps just on the home screen and no second home screen is simpler for the non technical end user. I'm not saying it isn't easy, it is. it's just a matter of what is easier, even if the difference is microscopic for average users. In my opinion, I quite like the iOS design as it's easier on the eyes with the simplistic fonts and icons better than KitKat. It makes a bit of difference in apps such as Mail etc.
There is definitely better Android features, such as Swype keyboard, and the new upcoming Android L which looks simpler (but looks a bit odd in some places). But I find that for the non technical user, it would probably be easier to use iOS from first glance with its slightly simpler icons and menus.
To be honest, none of this really applies to the person who asked the question unless we are talking about UI preferences.
adios brochachos, its been fun
Thats some heavy coin you just threw down!
Thank you for the replies
Reading more about Android it seems some phones come with both Dalvik and ART, but Dalvik is the default setting.
Is this applicable to the Z3 (or rather the Z2) and which one is better to use?
All phones come with Dalvik, you can set art as default in some (not all) phones running 4.4 and above (KK) unlocking dev options
When phones are updated to Android L art will be used instead of dalvik. Art is faster but it takes a little extra storage afaik, not much though,
Thank you for the replies
Reading more about Android it seems some phones come with both Dalvik and ART, but Dalvik is the default setting.
Is this applicable to the Z3 (or rather the Z2) and which one is better to use?
ART is the new runtime and has some new features
https://source.android.com/devices/tech/dalvik/art.html
You can use it on any (?) 4.4 phone by changing the runtime in the developer settings. It's the default in L.
soundahfekz
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Thank you for the replies
Reading more about Android it seems some phones come with both Dalvik and ART, but Dalvik is the default setting.
Is this applicable to the Z3 (or rather the Z2) and which one is better to use?
most 2014 phones have ART capability out of the box, especially flagships. ART will take more space and take a little longer to install, but will run much faster once done.
Give it a try and see. A lot of apps haven't been updated or optimized to take advantage of ART, but you'll find some of the more popular apps already have the capability to utilize it.
Here appears to be a list of apps currently incompatible with ART:
http://www.androidruntime.com/list
some (very few) apps are still not compatible with ART. The main one is Xposed for rooted devices.
However not all Sony KK phones allow ART, but i guess Z3 will. Someone with Z1 or Z2 could tell you more, but i have a spare Xperia M2 that recently updated to KK and ART is nowhere to be found.
I'm dying for info. I want to know if ditching my N5 will be worth it.
Then again, I just want L. That's what I really care about. Hell, once they confirm Xposed works on ART, I'll lose my mind. Hopefully that happens prior to it's release...but we know that won't happen
soundahfekz
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I think I'm gonna wait on the next HTC flagship + L. I like what Z3 has to offer but no other Android OEM has matched the quality of what HTC has put out IMO.
I also want some info regarding nexus 6 but unless has huge improvements on camera or battery life i doubt i will change my already great N5, because android L will give it a second life : -> better battery and better camera software , the only two points where n5 is not top tier (not bad as some claim)
Like Jesus and booty, everyone eventually finds their path to Nexus. It's inevitable.
soundahfekz
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Ehh not a big fan of the Nexus series. I bought my GF the 1st gen nexus tablet way back, and I had a Galaxy Nexus (great phone, worst battery life of all time with that pentile screen).
I thoroughly enjoy the build quality HTC emphasizes and the tasteful aesthetic of Sense 6.0. Boomsound speakers are amazing and if they can find a way to have Xperia level waterproofing and 8mp ultrapixels, sign me right on up.
Wait...the iPhone 6 is taller than a Nexus 5? What?
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Apple-iPhone-6,Google-Nexus-5/phones/8346,8148
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Apple-iPhone-6,Google-Nexus-5/phones/8346,8148
Well, yeah. The screen is smaller but it still has the iPhone top/bottom bezels.
yep is as big as a 5 inch phone, with only 4,7. I lol'ed, the same applies to the 6+ regarding Note series
The z3C is way smaller with only 0,1 inch smaller screen and being water proof and with stereo speakers. Not to mention battery size which is a mistery yet on the iphone.
GSM Arena Z3 Compact review: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3_compact-review-1135.php
Easily the best phone at that size on the market then. You've basically got that or the iPhone 6 to pick from and no point looking elsewhere.
It's not for me, but I'm glad it's coming for people who want that size.
osiris3355
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The iphone 6 is significantly larger than this phone.
The Z3 compact is in a league of its own.
Wait, wait, wait...the iPhone 6 is as big as the Nexus 5 but only has a 4.7" screen? Wuuuut.
BertramCooper
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Apple really botched the designs of the 6/6 Plus. I think they look really lousy, by Apple standards.
Bboy AJ
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It'll be faster, better camera, better processor. There's nothing really new happening with these phones.
They insist on having top and bottom the same big bezel whereas the Nexus 5 has less black space at the top.
Unknown Soldier
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adios brochachos, its been fun
Have fun on Elysium and don't forget to think of the plebs living in the slums of Earth
Unknown Soldier
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I found and left the Cult of Nexus when i realized that a good battery life, camera, and external storage mattered more to me than ideology.
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