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Android |OT5| The Sonic Cycle

mrklaw

MrArseFace
I read through the Android Wear update post and still have no idea why I would want an Android Wear watch or a smart watch in general. I mean, I want one, but I can't justify it. The update seems really minor, too. Moto and Google need to impress at I/O. Just give me a good reason and one that is more than just "playback controls on your wrist!".

As an android wear user, the updates are useful to me.

- Wifi means I'm not tethered to the limited range of bluetooth. That used to mean that when my phone was charging I'd lose connection two rooms over.

- Tap to apps isn't essential but it replaces the need for 'mini app launcher' and means apps have a little more focus Vs notifications - they used to be pushed into the background. It'll be interesting to see what that brings.


- drawing emojis is just copying that apple doodling thing and is stupid.


as for usage - track controls are handy when I'm driving because I don't have integrated steering wheel controls or anything. When walking my headphones control the music anyway so no big deal.

Notifications are good. I have my email rules set up so that important emails have a heartbeat vibration pattern (using Nine for exchange), and that pattern transmits to my watch, making it easy to recognise.

Google now on the wrist is useful too - setting a timer in the kitchen for instance.
 
You aren't going to get that. Smartwatches should do a few things well: Tell the time (doh!), subtle notifications that allow you to decide whether you want to act on them and fitness functions (track distance run, heart monitor etc etc). A watch should be subtle and get out of the way, not try to be a phone replacement or something you're constantly interacting with. Wear has some usability/UI issues but doesn't require much more functionality.

Hardware wise, all Wear watches needs higher res screens, oled screens (if possible) and perhaps some additional sensors for fitness usage. That and they need to look as good as traditional watches. There's also the battery issue, we really need a breakthrough in battery tech to achieve that though.

I'm not some anti-watch person. It's just that I'd rather spend $250+ on a decent watch, than a smart watch that battles my Nexus 5 in terms of battery life to see who makes it through the day a tad longer.

But perhaps I'm really just waiting for better hardware. I'm not even set on the form factor. Something like the Moto 360 or LG Watch Urbane would certainly be nice. But I wouldn't say no to a thinner and slightly smaller version of the Galaxy Gear S with Android Wear instead of Tizen (lol what).

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I like the concept behind the Microsoft Band, too. The thought of a (good?) fitness band that works without a hassle on all platforms (iOS, Android, Web) and supports the Xbox One Fitness app is kind of appealing. But that thing screams 3D printed prototype at the moment. It's fat and ugly and bulky and I have no idea why it doesn't have a curved screen.

So yeah, better hardware is probably all I need.
 

Bboy AJ

My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Nah, at worst you'll have a great phone for a year. Touchwiz was still too much on the Note 4, but on the 5 if it follows the S6? That could be great.

Hell, by that point, Google might even release the stock feature that does this
lol

EDIT: Googled it and Multiwindow Manager can be used on any non-Lollipop phone anyway through Xposed. Once that catches up, we'll all have it.
Does Xposed work yet? Last I heard, it was alpha on 5.0 but I'm on 5.1 now.
 

Hasney

Member
Does Xposed work yet? Last I heard, it was alpha on 5.0 but I'm on 5.1 now.

Nah, he's getting it stable on 5.0 then looking at porting that work over. Not even looked at it so he has no idea how big of a job the port will be.

Annoyingly, Multi Window Manager does in fact work on Nexus 6 running 5.0.
 
I'm not some anti-watch person. It's just that I'd rather spend $250+ on a decent watch, than a smart watch that battles my Nexus 5 in terms of battery life to see who makes it through the day a tad longer.

But perhaps I'm really just waiting for better hardware. I'm not even set on the form factor. Something like the Moto 360 or LG Watch Urbane would certainly be nice. But I wouldn't say no to a thinner and slightly smaller version of the Galaxy Gear S with Android Wear instead of Tizen (lol what).

19AXdyL.jpg


I like the concept behind the Microsoft Band, too. The thought of a (good?) fitness band that works without a hassle on all platforms (iOS, Android, Web) and supports the Xbox One Fitness app is kind of appealing. But that thing screams 3D printed prototype at the moment. It's fat and ugly and bulky and I have no idea why it doesn't have a curved screen.

So yeah, better hardware is probably all I need.


that looks dumb as hell
 

pjmazza84

Neo Member
All I hear is how buggy Android 5.0 has been, I haven't upgraded my HTC ONE M7 yet and I don't think I will either.

Apart from Material Design (Love it btw) I'm afraid 5.0 will introduce bugs and slowdowns.

Hmm?

5.0 was terrible. I mean almost every app was crashing daily. The battery was draining fast. Home screen took way too long to load.

Now with 5.1 it works great. I've never had an app crash since I updated. Battery life seems normal but I can't say for certain. Of course it looks and feels great.

I'm on a Nexus 5, by the way.
 

Saiyan-Rox

Member
Hope 5.1.1 is real and fixes this animation error I get with apps.

The animation just gets stuck and flickers up rather than smoothly appear if you haven't opened the app for a bit

EDIT: actually looks like the home screen is being pulled down when the app is going up and clashing.

Saying that I'm not sure if its the apps or not.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
5.0 was terrible. I mean almost every app was crashing daily. The battery was draining fast. Home screen took way too long to load.

Now with 5.1 it works great. I've never had an app crash since I updated. Battery life seems normal but I can't say for certain. Of course it looks and feels great.

I'm on a Nexus 5, by the way.

You just replied to a 3 month old post...

But anyways, Lollipop on the M7 is awesome, HTC fixed pretty much all of Google's fuck ups. The only thing that they didn't fix was the annoying notification banner, which sucks for M7 users because HTC is not going to be updating that phone anymore.
 

DrFunk

not licensed in your state
My unlocked NAM S6 just got a update:

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not my image, but it said the same thing. I'm using a SM-G920I, which is the American/Australian unlocked version, fwiw
 

Bboy AJ

My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Nah, he's getting it stable on 5.0 then looking at porting that work over. Not even looked at it so he has no idea how big of a job the port will be.

Annoyingly, Multi Window Manager does in fact work on Nexus 6 running 5.0.
That guy has his priorities misaligned. No one cares about 5.0 as it was a beta. Weak :(

LG Watch R at £150.... Might end up pulling the trigger.
If you've waited this long, keep waiting. I'm in the same boat. I'll probably get the new Moto 270, which is hopefully a real 360.
 
Slightly OT, but I really hope the Samsung/AMD rumours are true. They've managed the switch to 14nm much better than even Intel did and if they got into the x64 market too, I'd be paying a LOT of attention.

Making a gigantic x86 die is dramatically different from making a tiny phone SoC die. There's a reason why only Intel can make x86 at 14nm and it's the same reason that discrete PC GPUs have been stuck at 28nm, same as AMD's x86 CPUs, for over 4 years now.
 

Fox318

Member
I have a fitbit charge HR and I can't see myself switching to a Android wear device unless the fitness stuff works and integrates with more services.

Does Google have a android wear event coming up?
 

Hasney

Member
Making a gigantic x86 die is dramatically different from making a tiny phone SoC die. There's a reason why only Intel can make x86 at 14nm and it's the same reason that discrete PC GPUs have been stuck at 28nm, same as AMD's x86 CPUs, for over 4 years now.

After posting that, I also read that Samsungs 14nm isn't "real" 14nm and only Intels is. I have no idea what this means, but I read "Samsung and TSMC basically took their 20nm process and added finfets to it and called in 16nm/14nm but its not real 16/14nm intels is actually real.".

So yeah, there's that.

I have a fitbit charge HR and I can't see myself switching to a Android wear device unless the fitness stuff works and integrates with more services.

Does Google have a android wear event coming up?

Nah, they just announced a Wear update in a blog post. Didn't mention fitness stuff.
 
I'd so get a Note 4 right now if Samsung updated it with the S6 version of lollipop :(

I hope they don't follow the S6 glass design with the Note 5. I'm a big fan of the Note 4 design and I think it looks great in a business setting.
 

Hasney

Member
If you've waited this long, keep waiting. I'm in the same boat. I'll probably get the new Moto 270, which is hopefully a real 360.

The rumors on the 360 are almost the exact same spec as an LG Watch R and LG aren't going to get a new one out soon, their Urbane is the exact same spec again. Think it's going to come down to looks preferences between those two either way.
 

Fox318

Member
After posting that, I also read that Samsungs 14nm isn't "real" 14nm and only Intels is. I have no idea what this means, but I read "Samsung and TSMC basically took their 20nm process and added finfets to it and called in 16nm/14nm but its not real 16/14nm intels is actually real.".

So yeah, there's that.



Nah, they just announced a Wear update in a blog post. Didn't mention fitness stuff.

See the fitness stuff needs to be a focus.

I mean I haven't used Google Fit but I expect my watch to have a pedometer and a heart rate monitor that is dependable.

Sleep tracking might be useful but for I can't see the average person wanting to wear a larger device and I can't see devices having a battery life that lasts more than a 1.5 days
 

Bboy AJ

My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
The rumors on the 360 are almost the exact same spec as an LG Watch R and LG aren't going to get a new one out soon, their Urbane is the exact same spec again.
I don't believe it.
 

Toki767

Member
The rumors on the 360 are almost the exact same spec as an LG Watch R and LG aren't going to get a new one out soon, their Urbane is the exact same spec again. Think it's going to come down to looks preferences between those two either way.

The Urbane looks really nice. As does the Huawei one (aside from being a bigger screen than the G Watch R and the lol 300mAh battery)

Feel like the best time to get a watch would be after Google I/O though just to see if they add new APIs or something that current Android Wear wouldn't be able to take advantage of.
 

Hasney

Member
The Urbane looks really nice. As does the Huawei one (aside from being a bigger screen than the G Watch R and the lol 300mAh battery)

Feel like the best time to get a watch would be after Google I/O though just to see if they add new APIs or something that current Android Wear wouldn't be able to take advantage of.

True, plus the Watch R will probably drop again once the Urbane is out if there's nothing radical on the horizon after I/O. May as well wait it out.
 

Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Or you could spend some money get a real timeless piece of jewelry and look like your 30 and not some 15 yo dork in math class with a scientific watch on.
 

gcubed

Member
Since everyone cares, I'll update everyone on my opinions of the last two pages.

Smartwatches are useless. Fitness trackers will be the only wearable long term success, smartwatches are terrible at being fitness trackers, apple included.

Google Fit sucks and they should just copy healthkit if they want to still have a health app.

The current 360, the gwatcher and the urbane are all too big around and too thick.

Launching a new flagship with last year's specs is laughable for LG, but I guess they are stuck with a shit year and are rightfully trying to get people to focus on the camera.
 

Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Since everyone cares, I'll update everyone on my opinions of the last two pages.

Smartwatches are useless. Fitness trackers will be the only wearable long term success, smartwatches are terrible at being fitness trackers, apple included.

Google Fit sucks and they should just copy healthkit if they want to still have a health app.

The current 360, the gwatcher and the urbane are all too big around and too thick.

Launching a new flagship with last year's specs is laughable for LG, but I guess they are stuck with a shit year and are rightfully trying to get people to focus on the camera.

More like LG was just ahead of their time with the godlike specs of the G3. Shit already had 3 gigs of RAM a QHD screen and the like. Everyone else just playing catch up.
 

MercuryLS

Banned
Pro tip to anyone that had a an S6 or really any android phone. Turn on developer options and reduce all animations to .5x. That's pretty much the first thing I do with any phone, it makes things so much speedier. I'm sure most of you know about this but I imagine some people don't know.
 

Toki767

Member
Or you could spend some money get a real timeless piece of jewelry and look like your 30 and not some 15 yo dork in math class with a scientific watch on.

Fairly sure the overwhelming majority of people buying smartwatches are closer to 30 years old than 15 years old.
 

manfestival

Member
Pro tip to anyone that had a an S6 or really any android phone. Turn on developer options and reduce all animations to .5x. That's pretty much the first thing I do with any phone, it makes things so much speedier. I'm sure most of you know about this but I imagine some people don't know.

just changed these settings on my phone. I will wait and see how it turns out since I cant be playing with my phone at work right now
 

Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Fairly sure the overwhelming majority of people buying smartwatches are closer to 30 years old than 15 years old.

Fairly sure there aren't that many people even buying the damn things, and it still doesn't mean you don't look like a 15 yo dork with this gadget on your wrist.

Save up some cash. Go to a jewelry store and pick out say a Breitling or Omega and throw down some cash on something that looks nice and fits your wrist well in terms of size and style. Wear it and look like your 35. Take care of it, and it will last your life while becoming an heirloom for your kids.
 

Toki767

Member
Fairly sure there aren't that many people even buying the damn things, and it still doesn't mean you don't look like a 15 yo dork with this gadget on your wrist.

Save up some cash. Go to a jewelry store and pick out say a Breitling or Omega and throw down some cash on something that looks nice and fits your wrist well in terms of size and style. Wear it and look like your 35. Take care of it, and it will last your life while becoming an heirloom for your kids.

Kids in 20 years are not going to appreciate a watch. Grandkids even less.
 

Hasney

Member
I don't give a shit what I look like to randoms in the street and I don't think some expensive watch would make me look any older with my taste in t-shirts. I look pretty damn good in a suit, but when I'm travelling down to the London office on the train, I don't think a watch of any price is going to offset the bright blue 3DS XL I'm playing.
 

Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Kids in 20 years are not going to appreciate a watch. Grandkids even less.

Have you in this thread don't appreciate a classic time piece and general men's style to help represent yourself as an adult especially in a corporate setting.

Doesn't make it any less egregious.
 
I have a sexy sleek 500 dolla watch that completes my outfit every day. Wake me up when smart watches have thinner sleeker profiles with a lot better battery life. At least a week. Then I'm in.
 

Toki767

Member
Have you in this thread don't appreciate a classic time piece and general men's style to help represent yourself as an adult especially in a corporate setting.

Doesn't make it any less egregious.

At a corporate setting? Sure I guess.

I work for a tech company. $1000+ timeless watches are pretty useless in my environment.

Not that I'll probably be jumping on the smartwatch bandwagon any time soon, but let people spend what they want with their money.
 

MercuryLS

Banned
So I've owned the S6 Edge for a few days and here are my impressions:

- Feels a bit sharp in the hand, can be annoying sometimes when holding it in portrait and landscape. It's more comfortable if you left your fingers anchor onto the edge rather than wrapping the phone tightly in your hand. I've gotten used to it, it's not too bad. On the plus side, the thin edges make the phone feel more secure in the hand, you've got something for your fingers to anchor on to.

- It's still a stunning phone to look at, easily the best looking and built phone I've owned.

- Edge swipes are smooth like butter, touch targets are on the edges are a bit tricky sometimes and other times it's not an issue. Weird.

- Some glare on the edges based on some lighting conditions, can be annoying but most content have margins so it usually doesn't interfere too much. Colour shifting at the edges is really slight on a white background, complete non issue unless you're looking for it.

- I don't know if it's how I registered my fingerprints, but the fingerprint scanner is a quite picky. Sometimes I can get in with a single touch, sometimes it takes several attempts or I have to shift my finger to a different position to get it to work. Partially covering the sensor usually gives you a fail too. I've gone through the registering process 3 times, the first two times didn't work well (lots of errors), the third time was better due to me focusing on how I orient my thumb during the process. Definitely not as slick as TouchID, but it's still good. Hopefully software updates make it better.

- The screen is amazing, full stop. I didn't realize how okish the OPO screen was till I compared the two. The colors, contrast, pixel density, viewing angles are unbelievably good.

- Can't really comment on battery life yet as I've mostly been using it indoors near a charger/wireless charging pad. It seems to drain at an average pace from what I've seen. It does charge unbelievably fast though, like a bit over 1 hour for a full charge and from low percentages it seems to charge like 1.5% per minute. I've never seen a phone charge this fast, the OPO charged quickly but this is even quicker. Wireless charging takes about double the time, works well for charging over night where a quick charge isn't important.

- Touchwiz is pretty nice on the S6, it looks a lot better than previous iterations of the software (more material design and flatness), many apps have been updated to this aesthetic like the dailer and messaging app but other apps haven't (calculator, music), hopefully they update every app over time. It runs very smoothly but can still hiccup sometimes and have to redraw, Flipboard briefing causes some of those but sometimes it can happen randomly with the app drawer. Overall it's good but there's room for improvement, it's not as smooth and bulletproof as stock Android or some other light OEM skins. Even though Touchwiz is scaled back and cleaned up visually, if you look in the ram usage, it still takes up a lot of ram.

- Haven't had a chance to use the camera extensively, tried some low light shots without flash and they came out a lot better than most phone cameras i've used in the past. Very little digital noise, nice colours and sharpness.

- Edge software is kinda useless. I keep forgetting that people edge is there. The night clock lights up the whole screen so it's useless too (I'm guessing this is a bug since the info stream doesn't do this, if they fix this then it'll be useful). Information stream for notifications and headlines has to be activated rubbing on the edge, why would I bother when I can just hit the home button and see notifications that way? The headlines are truncated, better to just unlock the phone and use a news reading app. Edge lighting is also useless, who's going to lay their phone facing down on a table?

- One minor thing for anti-case people like me, this phone sits very stable on a table due to the fact that the camera is mounted in the middle and it's large. Unless you push hard on the side of the screen, it doesn't rock back and forth like the iPhone 6 did.

Overall it's an amazing phone, if you're on the fence it would probably be wise to save the $100 and get the regular S6 IMO. The Edge is one super cool looking phone, but the Edges are double edged swords (lol), the introduce some more glare, color shifting and trickier handling. If you get the Edge, do it for the aesthetic appeal, not for any functional reason. Me personally, I'm going to stick with it. I like it, even with the downsides.

Edit: This post is way longer than I expected it to be, hopefully someone finds it useful.
 

MercuryLS

Banned
I have a sexy sleek 500 dolla watch that completes my outfit every day. Wake me up when smart watches have thinner sleeker profiles with a lot better battery life. At least a week. Then I'm in.

I think Pebble will get their eventually, they've already got a leg up on the competition with the e-ink displays. Once they make one with higher ppi, touch screen, better functionality, super thin and light and a high quality metal version I'll be there.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
True, plus the Watch R will probably drop again once the Urbane is out if there's nothing radical on the horizon after I/O. May as well wait it out.

The urbane looks like literally a G Watch R but with a metal case rather than plastic. Internals the same, even the case looks identical. They'll price it at a premium so won't feel pressure to reduce the basic GWR price.

Even if the 270 was a 'proper' 360, I wouldn't get one - the way the straps attach to the base of the case just makes it look wrong to me.


Android wear has a pedometer - I'm pretty sure mine syncs with myfitnesspal on the phone?
 
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