rthx! how did I miss that lol
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rthx! how did I miss that lol
Same here.
It is such a hard character/concept to sell, but they pulled it off like it was super obvious and easy.
Razgriz-Specter
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Yup.
Wasp scene especially surpassed my expectations, expected the suit tease but the flashback man...
I need more of everything, make Hank & Janet side characters on a 3rd or 4th season of Carter and give me more Cold War action..
One of the most boring powers(normally) turns out the most interesting.
In the first Thor film, Erik Selvig says he going to call a friend who dealt with SHIELD in the past. That was supposed to be Hank Pym, but it was cut from the final film.
longdi
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I was expecting this to be the first marvel flop, but nope, it was a really enjoyable flick. Ties in perfectly with the MCU, i still can't believe they are able to sell me the Ant man concept!
It seats just slightly below GotG on the enjoyment scale, the 2nd best phase two movie.
Marvel keeping the potato streak.
It seats just slightly below GotG on the enjoyment scale, the 2nd best phase two movie.
Marvel keeping the potato streak.
He's the Ant in the Refrigerator.
Saw it last night, really enjoyed it, although the Quantum Zone stuff was super weird.
Also to someone else's point, I thought it was weird that ants are everywhere and no one finds this weird. (When they started crawling out of Hope's dashboard, I just laughed.)
My wife said the same thing last night. She said that she went to see it because I was excited, but she thought it was going to be incredibly dumb, and she was surprised when it turned out to be good.
I thought that was referencing Banner and not Pym?
Edit: Also, small plot hole: things don't lose mass when they shrink, so how on earth did Pym manage to carry around a tank as a keychain? nofunallowed.gif
Razgriz-Specter
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I'd pay for every single episode.
Itchy//Tasty
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Man, wasn't the aging/de-aging in the opening scene great? Douglas looking like his slick former Gordon Gekko self.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I was kinda hoping they'd do a "let's remove bullet from him by shrinking" lol
I'd pay good money for this, but Hank started being Ant-Man in the 60's.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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I was shocked too; I never got into the more random marvel stuff as a kid but they completely over delivered on my expectations.
Thomas the motherfucking tank engine was brilliant
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Need to go see this again was slightly late because of nonsensical LA traffic and two malls side by side in Glendale.
I was legit shook by how good it was, and I've actually done some de-aging work back when I worked at R&H.
Callibretto
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I wish we could get a whole prequel movie starring young Michael Douglas, lol. how expensive a movie like that would that be? with de-aging the main character for the whole movie.
darkhunger
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They already have a younger Pym cast though (for the photo at the end of the movie). Don't see why they can't just use him for a film or a TV show.
That CGI was amazing. Definitely better than what they did in Tron.
Completely different techniques. CLU's head was a digital replacement; Digital Domains completely recreated Jeff Bridge's head in 3D.
Young Hank Pym was still M. Douglas, but de-aged (think Patrick Stewart in X-men)
I'm actually surprised that Hank got shot and that didn't happen.
WadiumArcadium
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I had hopes for the film but I didn't expect to be as good as it turned out. Paul Rudd, Michael Douglas and Evangeline Lily were really great.
Mister Wilhelm
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Saw this last night. Overall, I liked it. However, I can't ignore the following conclusions:
1.) It felt rushed/underdeveloped.
2.) It would absolutely have been better had Wright directed it.
The MCU movie I think it compares to most in terms of the first point is Captain America.
It was absolutely charming, the casting was on point and all of leads all did remarkably well, and it even had true moments of greatness. But the whole affair just felt so mandatory - not really a great movie by itself, just meant to tie in to or sell something else bigger.
The one negative thing I was shocked at the most was the quality of the action. I really expected this to be the one to match CA:TWS in terms of the visceral combat, but it all felt pretty plastic and tame. The storyboarding during the fight scenes just wasn't there like it needed to be. Even the great ideas they had (fight inside the briefcase, Scott taking out those guards, the train set fight) were marred by questionable angles/shot framing as well as some really underwhelming sound effects/mixing. The helicopter sequence is probably the worst of them all - the way it progresses with the villain shooting the handgun into this weird pause for forced dialog about the heist into yellowjacket's reveal was confusingly stuttered. Just no real flow there.
That all being said, the CGI really blew me away, especially the ants and the way they related size using fading focus during the shrinking sequences. All three of the hero leads were just perfect for their respective roles, and even though he didn't really get to do much with his character, I enjoyed Stoll. It's just a shame all they had to work with was what is clearly a very gutted version of an originally much better script.
I don't know what happened behind the scenes. Knowing how Edgar can be and especially knowing how Marvel is, I think I can get at least a solid guess at what happened.
I feel like all of the really "wow" moments of this movie were likely cherry-picked from Edgar's drafts and all of the unremarkable, formulaic stuff that bogged it down was thrown in by Marvel. I mean, that whole fight scene with the Falcon was so goddamn unnecessary and silly. It wasn't good action, wasn't funny, and plotwise it was incredibly forced (oh, we need to disable this thingy with this other thingy OR THE PLAN WON'T WORK). It didn't need to be there. It was a ten-minute diversion to sell the MCU and it failed.
Also, some of the jokes tried way too hard and just didn't work. I only laughed a few times during the movie as most of the really good moments were spoiled by the trailers. I didn't personally find anything the con crew said or did worthwhile, they were just kind of there.
If I was Edgar, I'd be pissed at all the compromise as well because it ultimately resulted in a pretty stale movie. Considering the outlandish concept, it's really unfortunate that it feels they played it so safe. I feel like the two parties absolutely could have made this work, but after seeing the movie, I am comfortable placing the majority of the blame on Marvel. It really feels more like their movie than Wrights, and it is unquestionably worse for that reason.
I'd give it a C+. I did like it, but that doesn't mean I wasn't disappointed.
1.) It felt rushed/underdeveloped.
2.) It would absolutely have been better had Wright directed it.
The MCU movie I think it compares to most in terms of the first point is Captain America.
It was absolutely charming, the casting was on point and all of leads all did remarkably well, and it even had true moments of greatness. But the whole affair just felt so mandatory - not really a great movie by itself, just meant to tie in to or sell something else bigger.
The one negative thing I was shocked at the most was the quality of the action. I really expected this to be the one to match CA:TWS in terms of the visceral combat, but it all felt pretty plastic and tame. The storyboarding during the fight scenes just wasn't there like it needed to be. Even the great ideas they had (fight inside the briefcase, Scott taking out those guards, the train set fight) were marred by questionable angles/shot framing as well as some really underwhelming sound effects/mixing. The helicopter sequence is probably the worst of them all - the way it progresses with the villain shooting the handgun into this weird pause for forced dialog about the heist into yellowjacket's reveal was confusingly stuttered. Just no real flow there.
That all being said, the CGI really blew me away, especially the ants and the way they related size using fading focus during the shrinking sequences. All three of the hero leads were just perfect for their respective roles, and even though he didn't really get to do much with his character, I enjoyed Stoll. It's just a shame all they had to work with was what is clearly a very gutted version of an originally much better script.
I don't know what happened behind the scenes. Knowing how Edgar can be and especially knowing how Marvel is, I think I can get at least a solid guess at what happened.
I feel like all of the really "wow" moments of this movie were likely cherry-picked from Edgar's drafts and all of the unremarkable, formulaic stuff that bogged it down was thrown in by Marvel. I mean, that whole fight scene with the Falcon was so goddamn unnecessary and silly. It wasn't good action, wasn't funny, and plotwise it was incredibly forced (oh, we need to disable this thingy with this other thingy OR THE PLAN WON'T WORK). It didn't need to be there. It was a ten-minute diversion to sell the MCU and it failed.
Also, some of the jokes tried way too hard and just didn't work. I only laughed a few times during the movie as most of the really good moments were spoiled by the trailers. I didn't personally find anything the con crew said or did worthwhile, they were just kind of there.
If I was Edgar, I'd be pissed at all the compromise as well because it ultimately resulted in a pretty stale movie. Considering the outlandish concept, it's really unfortunate that it feels they played it so safe. I feel like the two parties absolutely could have made this work, but after seeing the movie, I am comfortable placing the majority of the blame on Marvel. It really feels more like their movie than Wrights, and it is unquestionably worse for that reason.
I'd give it a C+. I did like it, but that doesn't mean I wasn't disappointed.
Thats what I meant
The Espionage Parts of the movie looked to good to be left unshown in a longer form.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Id rate it a lot higher but definitely agree with you on the "feel" Wright probably wanted to keep it standalone and walked when Marvel tried to tack on the MCU story beats: it probably would have been fine if they just left relegated the MCU stuff to the after credits sequence. Regardless the expanded universe has always been ham fisted even in the comics. At the end of the day this movie deserves to do well and it's a shrewd marketing move to make it feel like a part of something bigger so we can continue to get relatively risky characters on the screen.
They were really well done, I really felt for Hank when he broke down.
All the shrinking scenes were great, this is easily the most inventive they've ever been with one of these films and it really shown. I'm a lot more hopeful for Dr Strange Now.
sleverfunk
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Just finished watching.
So
So
hail hydra?
Gordon Shumway
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Kind of a theme..yeah.
Something tells me Thanos has Red Skull locked away somewhere. Just a feeling. I mean, it's not like we saw him die or anything..
I'm pretty sure that in the comics hank pym meets eternity and he names him "scientist supreme" so I guess it's possible
Doubt it though
Kinda wish the micro verse was a world like in the comics and not just space
Loved the movie though
I'm a little disappointed with how they addressed Hank Pym's relationship with his wife.
All the stars were aligned to address the fact that he has hit his wife in the comics: the strained daughter relationship, the snide remarks in the opening scene, Pym choosing Lang because he wanted to make him a hero to his child, the suit making the occupant less mentally stable with prolonged use.
I was sure when Pym hit Cross it was going to get a mention. It seemed just below the surface, just at a point where I'm not sure it was there.
All the stars were aligned to address the fact that he has hit his wife in the comics: the strained daughter relationship, the snide remarks in the opening scene, Pym choosing Lang because he wanted to make him a hero to his child, the suit making the occupant less mentally stable with prolonged use.
I was sure when Pym hit Cross it was going to get a mention. It seemed just below the surface, just at a point where I'm not sure it was there.
First thing I thought of when the tank jumped out the wall was: how the hell does Hank and Hope survive that?
H.Cornerstone
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Kevin Feige said they weren't going to go that dark in this movie.
They didn't address why Lang couldn't hide-out in either Pym's jacket pocket to enter the facility.
It seemed like it was there in how Hank carried guilt, sans a scene outright mentioning it.
"I never treated your mother right, Hope", in a way of showing that he feels guilt over things he'd done, countered by a "She loved you. I love you" would have been all to say regarding it. It just felt like it was there, but transparently.
It seemed like it was there in how Hank carried guilt, sans a scene outright mentioning it.
"I never treated your mother right, Hope", in a way of showing that he feels guilt over things he'd done, countered by a "She loved you. I love you" would have been all to say regarding it. It just felt like it was there, but transparently.
I'm glad they didn't, its brought up constantly in comic discussion so going another direction with the character while still keeping him flawed is a breath of fresh air. Maybe in the sequel they'll tap into the fact he's bipolar.
I just console myself with the fact that Pym is too nuanced and awesome to do in 2 hours
EdibleKnife
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Wasn't it the sensors? After all Falcon could sense Lang even little with just his goggles, so there'd more than likely be multiple body sensors to enter the facility capable of finding something even slightly off.
Which would be remedied by Marvel doing an Ant-Man Netflix show...set in the late 60s, early 70s. Cold War Spy/Heist show.
Make it Happen Feige.
It definitely looked like an outline of Janet to meet in the theater.
Wasn't it in order to get past the casing holding the Yellowjacket suit?
Edit: Although that wouldn't be a big problem at all for them to take care of. Guess it is just some security measures Cross put in place.
Hear hear.
Scientist supreme never gets his due. Mighty Avengers was such a long time ago, I hated what remender did with him in Rage of Ultron.
Space Avocat
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Yes they did, they explain it when Cross tells Hope that he's tripling the security with more sensors, i don't remember exactly what the words he used were, but the point was that they were specifically so they could detect Ant-man, hence why they had to get Scott in thru the pipes.
Also, was i the only one extremely squicked by the way Cross killed that Frank guy? high caliber body horror!
we will always have avengers academy and avengers AI. At leas they didn't kill him
I kind of felt it ended up like an (unintentional?) metaphor for death and the afterlife.
You don't really know what happens after you die like you don't know what happens when you shrink to a quantum level. Both times, Janet and Scott sacrificed themselves knowing they could shrink but not only will they never be able to return, they might exist outside of time and our reality. It's like they aren't just dying, they could be placing themselves in limbo forever, which could be a fate worst than death filled with lots of uncertainty.
I think that's why Hank felt so much guilt and became obsessed with trying to find Janet, because if he ever let go, she could still be drifting out there somewhere, still alive, alone forever.
I felt particularly affected by the whole premise as well and after reflecting on it, I think that's why.
GitarooMan
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What a great, fun movie. I thought the tone was right on throughout. Douglas, Rudd, and Lilly all killed it, the scope was good an there were cool nods throughout ("crawling walls") without it being overbearing.
Love the setup for a new Wasp too. I was waiting for it the whole movie.
Love the setup for a new Wasp too. I was waiting for it the whole movie.
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