Apple releases Safari 4 beta

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Juice said:
Can find as you type be disabled in glims? It's annoying as hell in Reader and other apps that map to specific letter events.
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yup. in Glims preferences, under the Misc section, deselect the "auto select browser search banner" option. done.
 
Juice said:
Saves 25-30 pixels of vertical screen space. It's a more natural paradigm for end users, as it represents physical tabs.
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Okay I can get the more natural thing (I guess, but I don't care) but how does it save space? I'm confused.
Oh, it opens them up in the title bar. That's annoying. Oh well, tabs serve no real purpose anyway.
And the blue loading bar being gone ruins me. Holy fuck, I never realized how important it was until it was gone. I miss you, blue bar. :(
 
- Windows-native look in Safari for Windows, that uses standard Windows font rendering and native title bar, borders and toolbars so Safari fits the look and feel of other Windows XP and Windows Vista applications.
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Hrm, Safari just interested me again...

Text in 3 was so crappy I had a hard time even using it as a test browser.
 
RevenantKioku said:
Okay I can get the more natural thing (I guess, but I don't care) but how does it save space? I'm confused.
Oh, it opens them up in the title bar. That's annoying. Oh well, tabs serve no real purpose anyway.
And the blue loading bar being gone ruins me. Holy fuck, I never realized how important it was until it was gone. I miss you, blue bar. :(
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Uh, instead of having a row for the page title, and then a row of tabs, it's all one now?
 
Man, the tabs at the top thing is really freaking me out. I've ben using Mac OS in one flavor or another since System 6, and I can't think of any other Mac application that has ever behaved like Safari 4 does. I might not like it just because it's so different, but something about totally going against the typical idea of a window menubar just feels really wrong to me.

I also seriously wish Apple would get with getting tagging going for bookmarks. You've got iTunes, Apple; take a look at how filing information and then searching of smart filtering it should work! Until they get some sort of tagging system, I'm not sure I can ever use Safari over FireFox as my main browser.
 
shidoshi said:
Man, the tabs at the top thing is really freaking me out. I've ben using Mac OS in one flavor or another since System 6, and I can't think of any other Mac application that has ever behaved like Safari 4 does. I might not like it just because it's so different, but something about totally going against the typical idea of a window menubar just feels really wrong to me.
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Mac OS has never had menubars in its windows. I think you're just confused about not having that always centered text at the top of every window title bar, which is a bit odd.
 
SnakeXs said:
Uh, instead of having a row for the page title, and then a row of tabs, it's all one now?
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Which is very icky because now I have one window that really isn't one window.
 
For all the Mac users who want some of the Safari 3 features back, time to become familiar with my good friend, Terminal :lol Sorry PC users, haven't found a guide on how to change these preferences on Windows. I take no credit in the following guide, I just found it on this website about hidden Safari 4 preferences

Random Genius (Caius) said:
Having a quick poke through the new Safari binary yields the following strings:

$ strings /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS/Safari | grep DebugSafari4
DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop
DebugSafari4IncludeToolbarRedesign
DebugSafari4IncludeFancyURLCompletionList
DebugSafari4IncludeGoogleSuggest
DebugSafari4LoadProgressStyle
DebugSafari4IncludeFlowViewInBookmarksView
DebugSafari4TopSitesZoomToPageAnimationDimsSnapshot
DebugSafari4IncludeTopSites
NB: Need to restart Safari after changing any of these.


DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop
This moves the tab bar back where you expect it to be:

$ defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop -bool NO


DebugSafari4IncludeToolbarRedesign and DebugSafari4LoadProgressStyle
When both set to NO it restores the blue loading bar behind the URL. Also puts a page loading spinner in the tab itself, which looks odd with the new tabs.

$ defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4IncludeToolbarRedesign -bool NO
$ defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4LoadProgressStyle -bool NO


DebugSafari4IncludeFancyURLCompletionList
Switches off the new URL autocomplete menu and goes back to the original one.

$ defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4IncludeFancyURLCompletionList -bool NO


DebugSafari4IncludeGoogleSuggest
Turns off the new Google suggest menu.

$ defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4IncludeGoogleSuggest -bool NO


DebugSafari4IncludeFlowViewInBookmarksView
Removes CoverFlow from the Bookmarks view entirely. (Credit to Erik)

$ defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4IncludeFlowViewInBookmarksView -bool NO


DebugSafari4TopSitesZoomToPageAnimationDimsSnapshot
Disables the dimming when you click on a Top Site and it scales the screenshot up to fill the screen.

$ defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TopSitesZoomToPageAnimationDimsSnapshot -bool NO


DebugSafari4IncludeTopSites
Disables Top Sites feature completely.

$ defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4IncludeTopSites -bool NO


Undoing changes
Just run the defaults command with the delete flag for the appropriate key you wish to delete.

$ defaults delete com.apple.Safari <key>
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Hope this helps someone :D
 
I would be fine with the tabs at the top if Safari had shortcut keys to select tabs like Firefox has (Control+number in Windows or Command+number in Mac). I rely on that all the time.
 
celebi23 said:
For all the Mac users who want some of the Safari 3 features back, time to become familiar with my good friend, Terminal :lol Sorry PC users, haven't found a guide on how to change these preferences on Windows. I take no credit in the following guide, I just found it on this website about hidden Safari 4 preferences

Hope this helps someone :D
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Thanks! Now I have Safari 3 tabs, progress bar, and stop/reload buttons back. Basically, the interface I preferred with the new kick ass features and engine. I'm happy.
 
Soybean said:
I would be fine with the tabs at the top if Safari had shortcut keys to select tabs like Firefox has (Control+number in Windows or Command+number in Mac). I rely on that all the time.
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it does on a mac. you sure it doesnt have it in windows? ...
 
Man this motherfucker is fast, coming from a Chrome user. The UI is a little weird, but it is efficient (at least in terms of space conservation). And damn, the Top Sites is sexy.

Clicking on a link creates a new window: thats retarded.
 
giga said:
Mac OS has never had menubars in its windows. I think you're just confused about not having that always centered text at the top of every window title bar, which is a bit odd.
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I just used the wrong word is all. Title bar, not menubar.
 
Liking Safari 4 so far. It seems I'm the only one who loves having the tabs on top. I don't like how my bookmark bar and menu look. Compared to Firefox, it looks very cluttered. There's no space in between my bookmark folders. Also, I realized how much I took for granted the Firefox bookmark separator. Such a simple concept that makes a world of difference. I hope there's a way to de-clutter the bookmarks.
 
I am really liking having tabs at the top. I think it provides a cleaner and more minimalist page window, especial with file, window, etc. hidden (they're pretty useless for me in a internet browser) and I have no trouble looking at the title bar to identify as a long time windows user.

And the new window links are handled a little bit better, but still having no set preference is really bizarre, come on Apple where's detail?

Reminds me of iTunes removing alphabetical placement after search canceling.
 
layzie1989 said:
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i guess that will do. i've been opening the top pages in the same tab, and forgot that it opens when you open a new tab.
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Shift+CMD+1 (Mac) will take you to Top Sites. It's in the History menu.
 
AndersTheSwede said:
And the new window links are handled a little bit better, but still having no set preference is really bizarre, come on Apple where's detail?
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It's in the same hidden preferences window that turning off underlined links exists on.
 
I'm liking 4 so far, but have a few gripes.

- What's up with the blue neon shit hover on Top Sites?
- No progress bar in the address bar sucks.
- When I use my (MacBook Air) trackpad to make text larger or smaller it automatically goes to either the smallest size of text possible, or the largest size of text.
 
Wait.
I thought something was weird but I just noticed it. All my menus and shit are in English. What the fuck? No Japanese option for the beta?
 
Shit, this came out of nowhere.

Fucking love it. Massive improvement over safari 3. Fast as fuck-all. Reminds me of why I (mostly) love Apple.

Is it just me, or is it impossible to set your top site pages? Also, wish it had visual tab switching ala iPhone. Its actually a useful feature.
 
Slurpy said:
Is it just me, or is it impossible to set your top site pages? Also, wish it had visual tab switching ala iPhone. Its actually a useful feature.
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I've been looking for the same option.

I hope they include the ability to set your top sites and set your home page as the top sites page.

Can you set it so links open in new tabs as opposed to new windows?
 
Slurpy said:
Shit, this came out of nowhere.

Fucking love it. Massive improvement over safari 3. Fast as fuck-all. Reminds me of why I (mostly) love Apple.

Is it just me, or is it impossible to set your top site pages? Also, wish it had visual tab switching ala iPhone. Its actually a useful feature.
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You can pin certain websites, but you can't create them.
 
Tabs on top is so fucking stupid. I'm sick of Apple dropping the ball when it comes to UI design. OS 9 was brilliant, but it's been a continual slide in standards since then.
 
shidoshi said:
It's in the same hidden preferences window that turning off underlined links exists on.
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The only preference I could find is to Open Links from Applications: In New Tab, under General, but that is from outside applications. Is there something I'm missing?

Can't find anything in the Windows version to mandate all internal browser links open a new tab if traveling off site. Edit: Without ctrl clicking
 
Polari said:
Tabs on top is so fucking stupid. I'm sick of Apple dropping the ball when it comes to UI design. OS 9 was brilliant, but it's been a continual slide in standards since then.
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You probably want to blame Google for adopting them, making them popular, and them blame the users who requested that other browsers did the same.
 
Phoenix said:
You probably want to blame Google for adopting them, making them popular, and them blame the users who requested that other browsers did the same.
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Nah, I'm content blaming just Apple. This is just the latest in a long line of bad decisions.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
can't you just change that in the preferences?
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To a degree. Safari will open links in new tabs if you open them in Safari, but any link clicked on in another program will create a new Safari window.

It's my biggest bugbear right now as I use NetNewsWire for RSS and Firefox handles it perfectly.
 
Polari said:
Tabs on top is so fucking stupid. I'm sick of Apple dropping the ball when it comes to UI design. OS 9 was brilliant, but it's been a continual slide in standards since then.
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Don't worry, one day everyone will come to their senses and realize tabs in browsers make no sense.
 
RevenantKioku said:
Don't worry, one day everyone will come to their senses and realize tabs in browsers make no sense.
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What do you think is a better solution? (Not being smarmy, asking as an honest question.)
 
shidoshi said:
What do you think is a better solution? (Not being smarmy, asking as an honest question.)
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That would imply tabs are solving a problem to begin with, doesn't it? I don't see any problem.
 
Burai said:
To a degree. Safari will open links in new tabs if you open them in Safari, but any link clicked on in another program will create a new Safari window.

It's my biggest bugbear right now as I use NetNewsWire for RSS and Firefox handles it perfectly.
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Try this in terminal:

defaults write com.apple.Safari TargetedClicksCreateTabs -bool true

Restart Safari. This should enable a Single Window Mode, and every link that would create a new window will end up in a new tab.
 
Tabs on top? Seriously? That's what you are choosing to complain about?

It is not what you expect, yes, but it is also not difficult to get used to it.
 
RevenantKioku said:
That would imply tabs are solving a problem to begin with, doesn't it? I don't see any problem.
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Uhm, I would consider to be a pretty huge problem, as I typically have at least six to seven websites open at once. Live browsing the internet before tabs was nearly unbearable for me, and I absolutely can't imagine how anybody can survive using a web browser without tabs unless their web browsing is seriously light.
 
Shiggie said:
multiple windows open... hogging screen space... easy to find stuff....
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How is one click to see all your windows not easier than looking through the tabs of however many browser windows you have open?
 
RevenantKioku said:
How is one click to see all your windows not easier than looking through the tabs of however many browser windows you have open?
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not having to search trough all those windows... and just clicking in the same window. Its right there and not all over the place.
 
RevenantKioku said:
How is one click to see all your windows not easier than looking through the tabs of however many browser windows you have open?
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Okay, yes, if we're talking Expose, then you might have some argument. But still, having a bunch of windows cluttering the screen drives me mad. I run Spaces to a point where almost every application has its own dedicated space, so that I never have to see windows from one app when working in another. Again, I just can't understand how people can get along every day in any other fashion. (And before Spaces, I ran an app that auto-hid all background apps when switching from one app to another.)

But, either way, tabs in web browsers are a godsend to me.

Now, if I could Expose all the tabs of one browser window... that could be interesting.
 
Shiggie said:
not having to search trough all those windows... and just clicking in the same window. Its right there and not all over the place.
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I dunno, ever since I got Exposé tabs felt too constricted and limited to me.
 
RevenantKioku said:
I dunno, ever since I got Exposé tabs felt too constricted and limited to me.
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I see tabs more like a special expose that lets you see the title bar of all web pages, all the time. I also use bookmark folders such that clicking one folder link will open all the contents as multiple tabs. I can then click on another folder to clear all of those at once and replaced by another set. Can't really do that with a whole bunch of windows.
 
Well, I'll just chalk it up to unique browsing habits. I personally try to avoid bookmarks if at all possible for one.

And basically I view my browsing like this:
If I have more than one browser window open, I am working and that means I want to get done as soon as possible and have the browser windows closed.
If I have only one open, I'm probably browsing GAF which means I should close it and go get real work done. :D
 
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