Ignatz Mouse
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MercuryLS said:
Wait for a hard plastic bumper?
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Apple to hold iPhone 4 press conference this Friday
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Wait for a hard plastic bumper?
Minsc
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devilhawk said:
We're talking about AT&T here right? And it is not an additional 1 in 100, it's plainly stated to be less than an additional 1 in 100.
The only thing deceiving about that is what is the X in X dropped calls out of 100.
If X is .000005, and the iPhone is dropping .99 additional dropped calls, that's pretty bad, but let's be realistic, that's not going to be the case with AT&T.
Interfectum
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Charred Greyface said:
Apple is saying all phones can have this problem. Where Apple fucked up was they basically put a huge target on their phone for people to mess with and it was put in a bad spot (specifically for left handed people). Most of the time that is hidden in the phone so you wouldn't know where or how to mess with the reception.
MassiveAttack
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In other words, wait a couple of months.
Nazgul_Hunter said:
FALSE. The FCC only regulates the amount of radiation a phone can put in your brain.
They make no recommendations as to how to achieve that.
By placing the antenna at the bottom (further from the brain) cell phone makers can boost the power without crossing the threshold.
Only problem is... it hurts the signal if you cup your hand around the bottom.
Bring back old school whip antennas I say. :lol
Marty Chinn
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The conference was about what I expected, although a bit more defensive than I would have imagined with all the phones they showed off showing the problem. I lowered my expectations and thought giving away free bumpers was the least they could do and that's what they did. So I give this response a C. Anything less than giving a bumper would have been a D or and F. Taking an extra step to appease consumers would have gone to a B or even an A depending on what they did. So Apple did the bare minimum IMO and didn't go the extra step that I would have liked to have seen but that wasn't totally unexpected.
Comparing this to other phones that supposedly have had this problem is irrelevant. Point is that from day 1 people noticed drop in signals from this particular iphone, because it was insanely easy to do. I dont care if I can do it with my Samsung or the 3G iphone. If I dont notice it, then the design is solid. If I do, then the design is suspect since it affects people that hold their phone in natural positions
I love apple, but these statements are typical apple bullshit
I love apple, but these statements are typical apple bullshit
"Q: Was a recall ever up for discussion?
Steve: We get email from people all over the world about issues. We're really serious about this. We try to figure this out. We come out to their places with test equipment, we want to see logs. We try to get the info and figure it out...
Bob: For the record, we told them we were coming first.
Steve: And we didn't break down any doors."
best quote so far :lol
Steve: We get email from people all over the world about issues. We're really serious about this. We try to figure this out. We come out to their places with test equipment, we want to see logs. We try to get the info and figure it out...
Bob: For the record, we told them we were coming first.
Steve: And we didn't break down any doors."
best quote so far :lol
mil6es said:
There's actually people in here that haven't even USED the phone and are giving it the old "not buying this in Canada when it comes out!!" They don't even know if it would or wouldn't be an issue for them and yet they're buying into the entire media hype of a flawed phone.
I plan on getting this phone, using it without my free bumper and see what happens. If it's fine as I suspect it will be, I'll keep the free bumper as a souvenir.
Odious Tea
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Then return it.MercuryLS said:
MercuryLS said:
That post was slightly sarcastic, but one of the things I loved about the iphone was the slimness. The new one is ever slimmer, but the rubber bumper bulks it up considerably. And yes, I have used one with the bumper in my pocket.
Not the end of the world but certainly not ideal.
Ignatz Mouse said:
I don't want to have to put anything on my phone, I don't think it's fair to have to compromise here when it's an engineering issue. If the phone can't be used effectively without a case, the manufactured failed when engineering the phone.
As consumers we really shouldn't put up with this shit. I'm a huge Apple fan, got a ridiculous amount of Apple shit but this is unacceptable.
notwithstanding the dick jokes, some of us dont have this phone but *want* this phone, and to comment about our resultant decisions is fair play, no? I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings by saying that I don't want this phone if their solution is a mysterious algorithm change and a free case. The demonstrated in their own conference that they didnt understand the issue by showing full handed gripping of the 4 and several other phones, when in fact the issue for me lies in the *touching* of the problem spot. I can understand wanting to poo poo the idea that the 4 is the only phone that drops bars when gripped like a sub sandwich, but to eschew the issue of touching in a very obvious place with data and stats is just not good enough IMO. If I'm not swung back by rumors of a hardware revision by the time the Canadian launch rolls around, I will pick a different phone (because I'm in need of an upgrade after iOS4 on the 3G) I think its well within the rights of non-owners to fully participate in this discussion.Mecha_Infantry said:
Marty Chinn
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Heh, I just got an email from Apple about my receipt and I thought damn, that refund was fast =) It was only an app store purchase =)
CTLance said:
This is the most practical solution Apple can offer right now, but I do agree with you that the press conference is rubbing me the wrong way. From the quotes I'm reading, Apple just seems so defensive about the whole issue and that they're only doing this because they've been called out on it.
Deadly Cyclone
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C Jones said:
This is what I had to do. Loved the 4, great phone, I just could not make calls out of my apartment due in part to the antenna issue (and AT&T's service). Had to return it and switch to Verizon. I love my Droid X, but still would like the iPhone 4 again someday.
Then just don't buy it if it's that big of an issue, or try a bumper (which is a great case, IMO). Barely increases the phone's bulk, solves the antenna issue, and actually does a great job of protecting the phone from normal wear and tear.ZZMitch said:
This is the problem with people personally identifying with brands--I own a Macbook Pro and iPhone 4, but it's because I really like the products, not because Steve Jobs is my idol. People need to stop getting up in arms about a goddamned piece of electronic hardware.
Somewhat unrelated , but I fear Steve has lost his reality distortion field. I wasn't that wowed by the last conference , and this one even kind of annoys me. The old Jobs would have dragged me with him, often against better judgement, but now Ifeel a disconnect. Maybe it's the flaws in the presentation.
badcrumble
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Maybe his tumor was generating the RDF?CTLance said:
I'll be taking a free bumper, but not using it. I think it's ridiculous that a phone should even need one to function properly. But whatever, the positives likely outweigh the negatives. If I lived in the States though, and weren't designing/developing iPhone apps myself, I would have gone for a Droid X instead.
honest question, but what is the bumper case supposedly meant for? I've gotten a few scratches on my phones over the years, but the sides are usually the least of my concerns. Does it act as a shock absorber if you drop it on its side or something?
VeryGooster
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This thread bums me out.
Marty Chinn
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josephdebono said:
How about your data connection? It's never been about dropped calls for me. It's been about getting cut off from the Internet while browsing or looking up something online.
Gary Whitta
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I was half right!painey said:
robertsan21
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I dont want some fucking bumper, I never used one on my 3G and I sure as hell wont use one on the iPhone 4, I will pick this up at launch here in sweden and if I get crap signal I will return it
Bumper HA! its like putting painting graphiti over mona lisa
Bumper HA! its like putting painting graphiti over mona lisa
KingGondo said:
Well i couldn't buy it if I wanted to, because I am on Verizon and don't intend on leaving anytime soon
But one of my best friends has the iPhone4 and I used his for a while.
I disagree with the end part, however, because if I paid hundreds of dollars for a product, I would want it to work correctly, and if it didn't I think I should be able to be "up in arms" about it. This isn't about the iPhone or anything, just about electronics in general.
VeryGooster
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demon said:
I don't own one, but I'm guessing it might act as a shock absorber and won't allow the glass to touch any surfaces when laid down.
CTLance said:
this one was never gonna be a good one, let's face it :lol
also, you haven't actually seen it (or did you? on twit?) it's just liveblogging. not the same thing.
I thought he was fine during the iPhone 4 announcement. not quite the same as the original iphone announcement but not much can top that one.
Marty Chinn
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demon said:
Well it protects the steel siding from scratching, it prevents the antenna issue, and it's raise on each side so that the back or front never touches the surface if laid on a flat surface. It will not protect from dropping it even on a flat surface though as its been shown to shatter still.
Lord Error
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This conference was a complete and utter fail. Jobs still trying to smear peoples' eyes talking that this is the same thing as with every other smartphone, when any sane person reading about this knows that it's not. Complete avoidance of a one finger signal blocking question shows that they know this very well too. I wish someone brought up the actual signal drop numbers measured by Anand too, when he said it's same with all phones. No mention of hardware update either, although I suspect that a September 30 free case cutoff suggests there is one.
Corwood Rep
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Actually, I agree with the general Apple PR line that the antenna issue shouldn't be a deal-breaker and people need to stop the fanboy wars about it.
My problem with this conference is that I want an iPhone 4 because my old 3G is a busted up piece of shit, and here's Steve Jobs going "here's a free bumper, we're not gonna silently fix this problem on the hardware level in two to three months. Wink." I'll be pissed when I buy this phone and then September rolls around and wham, no antenna problem.
My problem with this conference is that I want an iPhone 4 because my old 3G is a busted up piece of shit, and here's Steve Jobs going "here's a free bumper, we're not gonna silently fix this problem on the hardware level in two to three months. Wink." I'll be pissed when I buy this phone and then September rolls around and wham, no antenna problem.
I've dropped my phone twice with a bumper, and the bumper takes all of the damage. The only thing I don't like about the bumper is that grime accumulates on the inside - but that's with every case.demon said:
And the person that said it's a rubber thing so it's hard to take out of your pocket is wrong. There is a plastic strip surrounding the rubber that makes it incredibly easy to slide in and out.
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