Net_Wrecker
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AnEternalEnigma said:
Quick Guide to fixing TNA:
Step 1: Fire everyone
Step 2: Go with the plan Heyman had last year
Step 3: Rehire the best guys.
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Quick Guide to fixing TNA:
Step 1: Fire everyone
Step 2: Go with the plan Heyman had last year
Step 3: Rehire the best guys.
Professor Beef
Banned
Hey, now. Flair has to bleed somewhere.Net_Wrecker said:
cartoon_soldier
Member
RBH said:
Going to guess it will be something to the effect of doing random drug tests and nothing else.
Dixie, Hogan, Bischoff are gonna stay.
Mr. Enigma
Member
I will definitely be listening to Honky Tonk Man's thing tomorrow night. All his previous stuff has been 100% true, so he's got a friend in high places in TNA.
TNA already does drug testing. They just...don't really do anything about it.
I've always hated the TNA name. It's not something that's really marketable because it always reminds people of "tits and ass". I can't imagine parents who don't watch wrestling would be too excited if their child came to them and said, "Hey, can I go to the TNA show?"
cartoon_soldier said:
TNA already does drug testing. They just...don't really do anything about it.
I've always hated the TNA name. It's not something that's really marketable because it always reminds people of "tits and ass". I can't imagine parents who don't watch wrestling would be too excited if their child came to them and said, "Hey, can I go to the TNA show?"
Shadowlink
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What was Heyman's plan?Net_Wrecker said:
Ninja Scooter
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they're gonna change the name to Total Nonstop Entertainment.
Rated-Rsuperstar
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Shadowlink said:
His plan was to cut out a lot of the bullshit and present TNA as more realistic because of the popularity of MMA. I think it's something we all want from TNA and WWE, more wrestle less talk.
Professor Beef
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His plan also involved being able to hire/fire anyone he wanted, which I think is what prevented him from getting the position in the first place.
Ninja Scooter
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Rated-Rsuperstar said:
That sounds horrible (especially the "realistic" and "MMA" stuff, it could end up being laughably bad). There's nothing wrong with characters and talking, even back in the day we marked out at Hogan or Savage or Rock or Austin cutting promos on each other. The actual in-ring action always took a backseat to the personalities and characters. I don't want something presented to me as realistic, otherwise I'll just go watch UFC.
Buckethead
Banned
That sounds terrible.Rated-Rsuperstar said:
The "talk" is what is missing from wrestling nowadays. There's no cohesive storylines.
Any semblance of a "story line" is quickly disregarded or contradicted.
As for the 'more realistic' thing, sort of want. Some level of consistency to gimmicks and power of moves/strikes would be nice.
the realism stuff will never work. the most over characters are over the top cartoon esque characters. not bland mma wannabes.
undertaker, rock, austin, hogan, savage, hbk (90s) are all exaggerated caricatures of stereotypes and subcultures or just random things from their own heads. thats why they worked. heres a "real" character they tried - Maven
undertaker, rock, austin, hogan, savage, hbk (90s) are all exaggerated caricatures of stereotypes and subcultures or just random things from their own heads. thats why they worked. heres a "real" character they tried - Maven
Net_Wrecker
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Shadowlink said:
This was the gist of it:
He also wanted the power to hire and fire people, cut the talent budget (aka getting rid of the old guys) and was looking to bring Gabe Sapolsky, and Dava Lagana to help run things.
In other words, TNA could've been a true alternative to the WWE instead of WCW 2.0.
Net_Wrecker
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Ninja Scooter said:
Buckethead said:
Lunchbox said:
You guys are taking the "presenting it as real" thing too seriously. It seems like he was simply trying to bring the product into TODAY'S market of instead of rehashing the same of old crap over and over. You're insane if you think a Heyman ran TNA would be purely shoot wrestling with no gimmicks. It would probably just be more COMPETITION focused, and less "Entertainment."
The time in the late '96-'97 times of WWF/WCW were presented as "real," and those weren't bad at all. You had Scott Hall enter WCW 'unsigned' and took the show on his own. The announcers were telling him to leave, he's not part of the company, etc.
WWF had the angles with the Hart Foundation and DX and it was big. The Nation of Domination was another group that was presented in a manner. I can go any direction, as long as the booking isn't horseshit and you don't have 2-3 guys always on top in the main event scene disabling the guys beneath them. We've had that go on for far to fuckin' long.
WWF had the angles with the Hart Foundation and DX and it was big. The Nation of Domination was another group that was presented in a manner. I can go any direction, as long as the booking isn't horseshit and you don't have 2-3 guys always on top in the main event scene disabling the guys beneath them. We've had that go on for far to fuckin' long.
Buckethead
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Net_Wrecker said:
I'm just responding to it how I heard it described, mang.
Heyman in TNA would be great.
Net_Wrecker said:
Yeah he talked about his plan for TNA with Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer at one of Lesnar's UFC fights. It sounded like a good plan (At least better than the status quo), but it didn't pan out unfortunately.
EDIT: Found it. It's a 20 minute interview but the second half is mostly wrestling. I linked to the start of the discussion.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Think weeks of "Nothing will ever be the same" and "Will rock the world of pro wrestling" and then for it to be at most a new logo and the same piss poor booking and misuse of the roster.cartoon_soldier said:
Buckethead
Banned
So I haven't been following enough, is Heyman to TNA a sure no-go?
Professor Beef
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About as sure as Sting is heading to WWE.Buckethead said:
Seriously, Heyman and TNA aren't going to happen.
Buckethead
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I figured as much but was just curious.Professor Beef said:
Net_Wrecker
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5_XT9pIfsc
Another Heyman interview from last year about the WWE, him warning Vince about the coming UFC storm, his view on how easy pro wrestling can be, how he's been a fan of the UFC since way back, etc. etc.
And he reiterates probably my favorite from statement from a booker I've ever heard: "Accentuate the strengths, and hide the weaknesses." Judging by how many guys in the WWE do nothing month to month, they have no idea how to get that done.
Another piece of that interview talking about TNA and what he would do to the "Legends" that were there at the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMy726EVpqk&feature=related
Another Heyman interview from last year about the WWE, him warning Vince about the coming UFC storm, his view on how easy pro wrestling can be, how he's been a fan of the UFC since way back, etc. etc.
And he reiterates probably my favorite from statement from a booker I've ever heard: "Accentuate the strengths, and hide the weaknesses." Judging by how many guys in the WWE do nothing month to month, they have no idea how to get that done.
Another piece of that interview talking about TNA and what he would do to the "Legends" that were there at the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMy726EVpqk&feature=related
spindashing
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I like that the new logo attempts to resemble the old school logo, but it'll take some time getting used to. I remember seeing the logo when it first "hit the net" and I felt the same way then. Eh, it's only a logo.
I'm interested in the expected roster cuts. I can't help but think that I'll be upset that a favorite superstar would be removed.
I'm interested in the expected roster cuts. I can't help but think that I'll be upset that a favorite superstar would be removed.
spindashing
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It may cause the population of wild Pidgey to plummet.Coins said:
TomJoadsGhost
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Am i the only one who thought that TNA were in a really good place in 2009, *somehow* it managed to suck me back into wrestling after a 20 year 'break' and i was actually really excited to see it each week (OK, I'll admit the general stupidity and soap style histrionics kinda worked for me as much as the wrestling)
I've really struggled to find any entertainment at all since the big changes in jan 2010 - its got to the stage when I'm not watching at all, though i do still lurk this thread a lot. I cant really get enthusiastic about the roster and the down to earth promos are just too pedestrian for my tastes.
Last thing i *did* enjoy was the ECW PPV (which was kind of ironic,as i hadn't seen any of those guys before so it wasn't even nostalgia for me) but they managed to piss that away in the following weeks.
I've really struggled to find any entertainment at all since the big changes in jan 2010 - its got to the stage when I'm not watching at all, though i do still lurk this thread a lot. I cant really get enthusiastic about the roster and the down to earth promos are just too pedestrian for my tastes.
Last thing i *did* enjoy was the ECW PPV (which was kind of ironic,as i hadn't seen any of those guys before so it wasn't even nostalgia for me) but they managed to piss that away in the following weeks.
TomJoadsGhost said:
I thought TNA was amazing in the few months before Hogan and Bischoff came over. They were hitting a high note for me in that timespan especially with the debut of guys like Desmond Wolfe. His series of matches with Angle was beyond awesome. Then Hogan and Bischoff showed up and ruined it.
Ad Infinitum
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Mr. Sam said:
so fake.
CrunchinJelly
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They need a new logo.
The scratch logo makes no sense any more and is irrelevant.
The scratch logo makes no sense any more and is irrelevant.
BoboBrazil
Member
I think Russo gets alot of the blame on him when it isn't deserved. TNA started becoming really shitty when Bischoff/Hogan came in. Before that atleast they had good wrestling. Anyways Russo isn't going anywhere. He is best friends with Jarrett and seems to have become close with Dixie. They just hired Russo's son too. Honky was saying that Hogan was trying to get out before though. Let's hope he leaves and takes Bischoff with him.
TomJoadsGhost
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I'm glad it isn't just me, they seem to have systematically removed everything i enjoyed - often just as it was starting to pay off.
I probably need to see it again soon, but last time i watched they'd pretty much decimated their tag teams (i still miss LAX), the knockouts were down to the beautiful people and the only male wrestlers left were the kind of generic muscle guys in trunks.
Has Kurt Angle turned again yet?, it was fun for a little while having him as a good guy but he is so much more entertaining as a heel.
I probably need to see it again soon, but last time i watched they'd pretty much decimated their tag teams (i still miss LAX), the knockouts were down to the beautiful people and the only male wrestlers left were the kind of generic muscle guys in trunks.
Has Kurt Angle turned again yet?, it was fun for a little while having him as a good guy but he is so much more entertaining as a heel.
Arrowgigantic
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Dork Knight
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John Cena is on Tough Enough tonight. I wonder if Stone Cold is going to ask him what his favorite match is.
Host Samurai
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Rated-Rsuperstar said:
I want this. Wrestling is just too dumb with these days with the immature stories and characters in this day and age. I think WWF circa 96/97 was the perfect balance of realism with characters that stood out.
StealthGoblin
Banned
I like Heyman's plan.
Get the standard of wrestling up and play to peoples strengths. Have a diverse roster. Get the promos to be more 'HYPE' and to use realistic language. I'd fucking watch that.
I'm gradually losing interest in World ******** Entertainment. Match quality and length is terrible. Too many drawn out promos with fluffy language. I detest that the commentary team are now a part of the show instead of calling it. Its okay in short bursts, but its beyond a joke now.
Get the standard of wrestling up and play to peoples strengths. Have a diverse roster. Get the promos to be more 'HYPE' and to use realistic language. I'd fucking watch that.
I'm gradually losing interest in World ******** Entertainment. Match quality and length is terrible. Too many drawn out promos with fluffy language. I detest that the commentary team are now a part of the show instead of calling it. Its okay in short bursts, but its beyond a joke now.
Host Samurai
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Galvanise_ said:
I agree. And the matches are so mechanical like its on auto. Way too predictable in the ring, but I guess thats just the current WWE style these days. The era of long drawn out matches that tell a story are surly gone.
Regarding the Scott Hall incident .. response by Top Rope (Steve Ricard)
"Top Rope Promotions has been holding family oriented wrestling shows for 30 years now, and on our 30th Anniversary event, we brought in one of the biggest names in pro wrestling, Scott Hall (aka Razor Ramon).
We drew a packed house and a good majority of them were there to see Hall. Hall and his people down in FL had all claimed he was clean and good to go. His flight and hotel were pre paid, and his appearance fee was demanded upon arrival at the airport (which he asked for within 3 min of being picked up).
Hall had arrived in a wheel chair with 3 bottles of prescription pills in his posession. Hall had performed an interview with our local newspaper The Herald News around 6 PM on Thursday night, saying how much he was looking forward to coming to the show, and how he was clean. Less then 24 hrs later, he showed up in the state he was in, demanding his appearance fee. Right off the bat, we were in a bad situation.
Having Hall at the building, already pre paid with his appearance fee, hotel, flight, etc. He even harassed my driver in the process. Hall was persistent to appear on the show. His heart was in the right place, unfortunately I can't say the same about his mind or his body.
Throughout the night he made threats to numerous members of my staff, as well as myself demanding more money, demanding to go to the ring when he wanted to etc. He was also threatening to kill me if I "screwed" him over. I'm 31 years old and I should be in no circumstances, babysitting someone in there 50's.
Hall made at best, an embarrassing performance in the ring and for the fans who came to see him, trashing matches that were on the show before him and addressing the crowd as if we were in England.
Neither Hall, nor anyone who helped line up the date, or any of his close friends or agents have called to apologize or offer a refund for his "less then stellar" appearance. He showed his true colors and who he was this past Friday night. If he's upset that we're airing a stream of this atrocious appearance, maybe he should issue an apology to the fans, the promotion, and the workers of the company. One would only assume that no one that night got what they paid for, myself included".
"Top Rope Promotions has been holding family oriented wrestling shows for 30 years now, and on our 30th Anniversary event, we brought in one of the biggest names in pro wrestling, Scott Hall (aka Razor Ramon).
We drew a packed house and a good majority of them were there to see Hall. Hall and his people down in FL had all claimed he was clean and good to go. His flight and hotel were pre paid, and his appearance fee was demanded upon arrival at the airport (which he asked for within 3 min of being picked up).
Hall had arrived in a wheel chair with 3 bottles of prescription pills in his posession. Hall had performed an interview with our local newspaper The Herald News around 6 PM on Thursday night, saying how much he was looking forward to coming to the show, and how he was clean. Less then 24 hrs later, he showed up in the state he was in, demanding his appearance fee. Right off the bat, we were in a bad situation.
Having Hall at the building, already pre paid with his appearance fee, hotel, flight, etc. He even harassed my driver in the process. Hall was persistent to appear on the show. His heart was in the right place, unfortunately I can't say the same about his mind or his body.
Throughout the night he made threats to numerous members of my staff, as well as myself demanding more money, demanding to go to the ring when he wanted to etc. He was also threatening to kill me if I "screwed" him over. I'm 31 years old and I should be in no circumstances, babysitting someone in there 50's.
Hall made at best, an embarrassing performance in the ring and for the fans who came to see him, trashing matches that were on the show before him and addressing the crowd as if we were in England.
Neither Hall, nor anyone who helped line up the date, or any of his close friends or agents have called to apologize or offer a refund for his "less then stellar" appearance. He showed his true colors and who he was this past Friday night. If he's upset that we're airing a stream of this atrocious appearance, maybe he should issue an apology to the fans, the promotion, and the workers of the company. One would only assume that no one that night got what they paid for, myself included".
Arrowgigantic
Member
Honestly, I'd rather watch a promo of the year than a match of the year. I appreciate the craft that goes into making a match, and matches tend to be more impressive than promos usually, but I see something like Miz's part of the pre-match video at WrestleMania and I know that it's a lot more effective at creating a good character than a match could ever be.
Matthew Gallant said:
I think both work, just varies from person to person.
As much as the Austin 3:16 match got him over, I'm certain no one will deny the match at WrestleMania 13 is what really cemented Austin as a main event player in wrestling.
I mean perhaps one of wrestling's most iconic moments with his bloody face screaming in pain.
Same of HBK and the ladder match at Mania 10.
Arrowgigantic
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That was a post-match promo.Penguin said:
abstract alien
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Lmao, talk about sending a message...Matthew Gallant said:
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