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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
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Already renewed.
Septimus Prime
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Aww yes! I'm glad all three DCTV shows made it, then!
If Supergirl gets a Season 2, then that's clearly all it needs.
Cat Grant is fantastic too.
Les has said they'll be renewing about five freshman shows, while they have only launched four so far. Supergirl, Limitless, Life In Pieces and Code Black are coming back. It is just not official yet.
Arrow was renewed alongside Flash and Legends!
Guys...?
*crickets*
magic legends of tomorrow please ! =D
Before Justice League Dark movie project gets of the ground and Constantine enters the same limbo as Deadshot
The hatred for Felicity is genuinely bewildering at this point. Dislike? Sure. But people are getting way too worked up over that character. It actually makes me feel genuinely uncomfortable hearing the sheer vitriol.
I mean is her character any deeper than "omg ollie salmon ladder
I mean sure she had that thing with her dad and she was paralyzed..but both of those got wrapped up in 2 minutes.
I just think she's not very interesting as a character. I also don't mind sad moments in CW shows (Grant is hella good at pulling on the heart strings), but..Felicity's sad scenes are just fuckin' laughable.
KonradLaw
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Well..you have to consider the genre though. While Constantine was shaky, it was still better start than anything else in the "human fighting monsters" category. Penny Dreadful excluded, but that's a very different kind of show.
Constantine had great lead, great IP and seemed to be improving and getting bolder and bolder. People are mourning the loss of potential more than the loss of the show itself.
And on renewals...nice. I hope everything DC related gets renewed. What's left is..iZombie, Gothan and Lucifer, right? Lucifer and Gotham seems like a safe bets. Only iZombie is up in the air.
BewareTheBatsie
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iZombie has already been renewed.
Septimus Prime
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I mean, did you guys watch Family Matters back in the day?
Who was the main character? Did you think Urkel? He wasn't supposed to be, but the show twisted itself around him. Now it's happening again to Arrow.
Who was the main character? Did you think Urkel? He wasn't supposed to be, but the show twisted itself around him. Now it's happening again to Arrow.
And in the end, did anyone want to watch the adventures of Harriet, the lift elevator operator? They wanted to see Urkel mess with Carl.
brotkasten
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I makes me want to post the great Key and Peele skit on that.
https://youtu.be/A5Zdp1RfoyI
Imagine it with Amell, Felicity's actress and Berlanti.
KonradLaw
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Nice.
I hope cancelation bear chokes on his tears
And they even renewed The 100? Great day. One of very best shows on TV right now.
BewareTheBatsie
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General consensus seems to be the first two seasons are well-liked and nearly everyone agrees season 2 is the best. It's just season 3 and 4 people are having the real issues with the show.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Enjoy while it lasts
HanzSnubSnub
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The show needs a big shakeup, things have become too samey and quite predictable.
Current Arrow formula:
- Find bad guy
- Attack bad guy and fail
- Oliver walks back into base holding his bow and complains to the team as they follow behind him
- Miscellaneous character drama
- Defeat bad guy
And then keep posting in the thread of a show you think isn't worth watching for the next two years.
KonradLaw
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I feel like S4 is probably the overall best one so far. I mean the intiial episodes at least. S1 and S2 had some real stinkers in first halfs. S3 was weird, as I felt it was Arrow at it's best and at it's worst; Some of it's episodes stand head and shoulders above anything the show has ever made, but it also has eps and plot threads that are the worst thing it ever did.
S4 so far has been pretty consistently good. More than earlier seasons managed to achieve. But at the same time it lacks standouts.
But then again, I've only started watching the show in holiday lul. I think generally marathoning tends to smooth out the rough edges.
Discotheque
Banned
Every berlanti show has its own strict formula with the exception of a couple legends of tomorrow episodes but that will establish something soon enough as well
I hate it. Wish they could shake things up, it's cool for a season but once you see right through it the shows kind of get weaker imo.
Cool. I'll definitely enjoy S2 and keep going from there. I found S1 to be almost unbearably tedious.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Hope you don't watch Flash because their formula became pretty clear in Season 1. They could both stand to mess around with their formula a bit.
HanzSnubSnub
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I do, but it is more tolerable since it hasn't been going on for 4 seasons.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Septimus Prime
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Smoak's Gambit
Amell doesn't like doing them. He needs to workout beforehand, and it's hard to get time to hit the gym when you're the lead of a show.
KonradLaw
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Shame. They sold the idea of peak human better than anything else I've seen in superhero live action.
Removing them alongside downraging Oliver in combat scenes kind of robs him of superhero status and reduces him to mere vigilante.
MHWilliams
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I mean, it's really nothing like that.
Take that formula:
- Find bad guy
- Attack bad guy and fail
- Oliver walks back into base holding his bow and complains to the team as they follow behind him
- Miscellaneous character drama
- Defeat bad guy
The Felicity part is largely relegated to number #4, outside of any episodes dedicated to her. Diggle, Thea, and Laurel have all gotten focus episodes where they've been various degrees of good or stupid. (Yeah, when Laurel is the focus, she suffers.)
Septimus Prime
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I mean, I don't hate the show, but #4 kind is pretty prominent and has scenes throughout the entire episode. Take, for example, the episode where Ruve tries to have those thugs sabotage Oliver before their mayoral debate. It starts with her giving Oliver an exploding party invitation, and then some stuff happens, and then it's them in their apartment with her mom, planning the wedding, and then the bad guys show up, and then it's her again, hacking the system on WiFi, and then the fight, and then the episode closes with more of her bullshit. That's how these episodes go now:
- Felicity bullshit
- Find bad guy
- Felicity bullshit
- Attack bad guy and fail
- Oliver walks back into base holding his bow and complains to the team as they follow behind him
- Felicity bullshit
- Miscellaneous character drama (Felicity bullshit)
- Defeat bad guy
- Felicity bullshit
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Feels like I'm reading a youtube comment section here.
The Silver
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I don't have much of a problem with Felicity herself, its just she's become a huge focus of the character drama at the expense of everyone else, it makes sense in a way since she's so closely connected to the MC but it still sucks.
Besides Felicity no one else seems to have a life, friends, or anything going on aside from their superhero shit. Star City used to feel a lot bigger and more alive earlier in the show.
Besides Felicity no one else seems to have a life, friends, or anything going on aside from their superhero shit. Star City used to feel a lot bigger and more alive earlier in the show.
Mass_Pincup
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The time where Laurel was working in the DA office feels so far away now.
HanzSnubSnub
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Yeah the show spends more and more time focused on being vigilantes, and real life is becoming a thing of the past.
Jorok Goldblade
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Female romantic leads on CW shows tend to be terrible unless their names are Lois Lane or Patty Spivot.
Season 5 should be the final year of Flashbacks. They're going to have to pad out the day jobs of Team Arrow to not cut the show down to thirty minutes in Season 6.
MHWilliams
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Yeah, not seeing it. Felicity is the focus on Felicity episodes, otherwise she came up in the relation to Oliver's son.
She is no different than any other romantic lead in a CW show.
Team Filler
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I didn't realize romantic leads on other CW shows were written as hot and flaming garbage tainting every part of the show it touches. Glad I haven't watched anything of theirs besides the DC stuff.
Jorok Goldblade
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Team Filler
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Ugh. Wish CW had new demographics, or that the Arrowverse stuff was on netflix or a "premium" channel.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Yeah, I wish it was on Netflix so it'd have 12 episodes and still feel 6 episodes too long, too.
I'd hate the Arrowverse on Netflix, episodes would run too long and it'd be 13 episodes all about the one villain. Need a little bit of camp and filler. Netflix drama is like a really tough steak, it's hard to chew through. The CW is ice cream or hamburgers or something, less substance but goes down easily.
My ideal format is 20 minute comedies, 25-35 minute dramedies, 40-45 minute dramas. 50+ minute stuff has to be incredibly compelling to work at that length, seeing as a lot of premium pacing is glacial. Looking at you JJ.
8-10 episodes for heavily serialized stuff, 16-20 for longer run stuff. Supergirl and Legends having a few less episodes than Arrow and Flash helps I think.
Team Filler
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All fair criticisms, at this point I'd settle for any network that doesn't seemingly mandate that their leads in drama be constantly enveloped in overpoweringly awful relationship drama.
Truly, I think that last episode of Arrow broke me..
Truly, I think that last episode of Arrow broke me..
KonradLaw
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Not all CW shows are like that. The 100 isn't anything like that. In fact, as far as characters go I would say it's the best show on TV right now.
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