RPGCrazied
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Well, that was gory.
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Ash vs Evil Dead |OT| Kanda... Es-trata... Montos...
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Doctor Bat
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Genuinely no. There are some elements I liked, but overall it's a complete misfire to anyone who even mildly enjoyed the original films.
I've been a fan of the original films for 20 years. The first episode seemed great to me. Certainly not a masterpiece but it's the first episode. Let it get going. It wasn't even an hour long.
RPGCrazied
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How are you guys already see it? Its the first episode is playing now on Starz.
They played it last night also.
RPGCrazied
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They did? I thought the premier was tonight.
Starz cares.
It was a sneak preview apparently. I'm a subscriber though. I hope everyone else that watches it is too. It's the only way we get more evil dead.
Starz doesn't go by ratings in the traditional sense. HBO skates around this sometimes, but these are premium channels.
PhoncipleBone
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Lol. Why was there blood In the doll? I love it.
Guess who I got to meet today!
Lucky!
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
He's still not in full end-of-Army of Darkness mode until maybe the very end of this ep!
He was more like his Evil Dead 1 self in terms of combat aptitude and his AoD self in terms of narcissism.
Yes but if people watch it on Starz then that's value to Starz who will order more episodes. If no one watches Starz won't order more.
That may be true for the first and part of the second movie, but they definitely gravitated way more towards "douchey and idiotic" in "Army of Darkness".
I really liked how they managed to mix the comedy with genuinely scary moments, really effectively. The scene where
Carson turns deadite and says to Amanda "I need you... to die." then laughs a bit and stops was really creepy and great
RPGCrazied
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I'm liking it so far, seems to have a decent budget.
That was decent. But I wish it would have kept the 45 minutes. 30 minutes is really really short for a show like this.
That was decent. But I wish it would have kept the 45 minutes. 30 minutes is really really short for a show like this.
These guys are talking about the Scream show. I think.
PhoncipleBone
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It was so weird seeing Evil Dead all clean and with a budget. I really enjoyed that, but wasn't totally over the top in love. I feel the insanity will increase as the season goes though.
Not really. In Evil Dead 2 and AOD (not counting Evil Dead 1 because the character wasn't really mature and Bruce was still learning how to act) the character was not shown to be as careless about human life or as unlikable as he was in the beginning of the episode.
He cared about Linda in Evil Dead 2 he cared about whatsherface from AOD and hesitated killing them. In the very first episode, he gets high and has a chick read from the Necronomicon. And this leads to her being possessed and killed off.
It just seemed like Bruce and Sam held the character in contempt and deliberately wanted to make him out to be as big of a misogynist doofus as they could.
However, by the end I felt like the character was at least partly redeemed.
PhoncipleBone
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Yup.
Ash is supposed to be a clueless, dumb asshole only looking out for #1. But an asshole that in the end will still do the right thing, and get really fucked up while doing it.
I think 3 films is enough to go on IMHO.
And maybe I need to re-watch but I don't remember any scenes in the premiere where Ash shows regret over his dead girlfriend. Not until after the Doll scene, but after that he wants to run.
Again, I didn't think this was horrible, but the opening just felt like Sam, Bruce, and Ivan just didn't like the character or maybe didn't get his appeal like the fans. I'm not saying Ash should have been competent from the get-go and have all the answers. But FFS don't show him getting high and letting some one night stand read the Necronomicon and getting his date killed.
Wrong. In all three films, when his love interest is shown to be in distress, he tries to save them. He never turns away and say's "I'm for number one baby!"
Ash isn't that smart but he's not the kind of guy who would see someone being attacked and just run away and do nothing. Ash would run and get the axe and try to save that person.
BattleMonkey
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The tone and character changed in each movie, so things being tweaked don't seem to be odd, but really it did feel like AOD Ash.
Show's fun so far, only odd thing is that it kinda feels like two styles of show going on, with serious horror at times, and then goofy AoD style moments.
Show's fun so far, only odd thing is that it kinda feels like two styles of show going on, with serious horror at times, and then goofy AoD style moments.
That is my point. To the fans he SHOULD be sad as hell and getting into more hijinks. This is thirty years (in the story) beyond where he has been left off. Last we saw of him, he was already abusing his legacy the moment he had a chance.
He absolutely would be an over confident oaf oblivious to his shitty lifestyle. Even the neighbor bought it, because she was in no position to question his confidence.
ElTopo said:
Yeah...you should watch AOD again.
forgeforsaken
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I wouldn't say he was careless about human life with that book reading, though I'd say it was boneheaded above and beyond typical Ash. I think a better way to have handled it would have had Ash packing a bowl or rolling a joint while the girl finds the book and asks him "hey what's this? can I read it?" with him not paying attention and just giving a "sure babe whatever" type reply as opposed to directly instigating it, as even a completely wasted Ash should know better than that.
On the whole though I thought he was pretty much in line with his character as it stood after AoD.
forgeforsaken
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And he does here. He's trying to ditch before the shit really hits, but once it's happening right in front of him he goes for the axe. In AoD he was also a reluctant hero as well.
I have. Many times. He does not let people die if he can help it. When he's in the castle and eating grapes and the hag is possessed; the hag is just about to kill the blacksmith, Ash saves the guy and kills the hag. Even just before that, a dude is about to check on the hag and see what's happening and Ash stops him to say "It's a trick. Get an axe!"
Yeah, he cares about getting himself out of there. But when he fucks up and all those people are going to die by the Deadite army, he HELPS them.
I'm not trying to be an anal-retentive fan boy and overall I liked the premiere but the opening really rubbed me the wrong way.
Agreed. Alternatively, it would have been interesting if Ash tried to bury the book somewhere and a cult finds it and brings back the evil.
Extra Sauce
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I think Ash is best described as a lovable dick and that's how I feel he was portrayed in the premiere.
So, he didn't help his co-workers from the shitty store he works at?
Yeah, of course. But him getting high and letting that chick read the book and led to her being killed was really out of character.
That's all.
1: he wasn't there when they were getting attacked. He took off and gave Pablo a heads up.
2: when they came to him, he saved them. That was the point. That was when he was redeemed and became the character we remember from AOD.
RPGCrazied
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Could have did without the sex scene in the bathroom, that was stupid.
Actually in army of darkness he tries to abandon the castle and when his girl interest confronts him about it he said oh that's just pillow talk baby and goes on trying to leave sooooo nope your wrong. He gets forced into fighting so he stays.
He's like 50+ years old and is washed up in a trailer with false teeth and a shit job. He's lonely gets high and makes a bad decision. Totally believable honestly. You're being way too critical of a guy who can't even remember three words from the book of the dead.
He didn't get her killed, or assume that would have happened. He read lines from a book that has been the only link to his glory days thirty years down the road in a drunken/high haze to get some tail.
That is absolutely something Ash would do.
BUT then, immediately after, he sees that flying Deadite come and grab her and he tries to save her.
He was about to leave but when he saw that the army was really coming, he helped them.
He TRIED to remember. That's the point.
I'm not saying he knew that by letting her read the book that would lead to shit hitting the fan and her dying. I'm saying that his out-of-character actions led to her dying.
In AOD, he doesn't just grab the book at the cemetery, he remembers he has to do the chant. He fucks up, but he tried to do it right.
I really doubt the character would do that. It just felt like lazy writing and seemed to have contempt against Ash as a character.
Which is exactly what happened in this show. He tries to love up until the point he has zero other option and is faced with abandoning someone to death by the evil dead. It's exactly like the movies.
forgeforsaken
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You're acting like he didn't save the coworker he just met and barely knew in the show. The one night stand there was nothing he could do: as she got possessed, and that all went down out of his sight. He didn't even remember they read the book until he started having the flashes and found the bag of weed stuck between the pages.
Guys, I've said this multiple times now, at the end he SAVES them and is redeemed as a character.
He wasn't aware of what happened with her and wasn't given a chance to redeem that mistake in particular. I hope this will be revisited in episode 2 and we can see him really come to grips with his fuck up.
And now I'm walking away.
I'm just more proactive on this discussion because it's refreshing! We are now used to characters coming back "PART TIME" to roles they have left years prior.
In this series you have Ash. When we left him he was a crazed mentally crutched individual, we get him thirty years later going through the motions. His over the top actions and deterioration was spot on.
The show might still go south, but even if I'm just left with this episode, it has exceeded all expectations of recapturing what made this character so enjoyable.
In this series you have Ash. When we left him he was a crazed mentally crutched individual, we get him thirty years later going through the motions. His over the top actions and deterioration was spot on.
The show might still go south, but even if I'm just left with this episode, it has exceeded all expectations of recapturing what made this character so enjoyable.
markofhavoc
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Great episode, loved it and it reminded me of the original
Oh, is there a legal reason or something?
Army of Darkness was the "big budget" version of the story. Universal went out for it and have the rights.
The first two films were largely low budget endeavors. From my understanding Universal wanted enough of a cut to make it not worth it. AoD is such an oddity too, that you can likely hint at it outside direct character names or "Hey, remember when I went back in time?"
ElRenoRaven
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Awesome first episode. I'm in love with the show already.
mariachi507
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The character lined up for me, this is the same lovable asshole that couldn't be bothered to memorize 3 words. "I know your damn words!" He eventually redeemed himself, but it took a minute. Same thing happens here, he gets highly inebriated and makes a mistake that could have easily been avoided. When he finally remembered what happened I think he had some regrets.
RyougaSaotome
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Excellent first episode. That was basically 40 minutes of a really good Evil Dead sequel (I did like the remake a bunch), something I never thought we'd see after all the empty promises and whisperings.
Fanfuckingtastic.
Fanfuckingtastic.
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