simpatico
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Ah, the proud Japanese history of female ninjas. How could I forget.
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TrebleShot
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Lol
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Yeah? There were.
Zathalus
Member
It's Assassin's Creed. Perfect historical accuracy has never been a staple of the series. Especially in Odyssey and Valhalla. Funnily enough Yasuke is actually the most historically accurate protagonist AC has ever had, considering he is the only one to have even existed.
March Climber
Gold Member
simpatico
's take is bad on multiple accounts, as he forgot about this:
For the guys here trying to latch on to the 'historical accuracy' train, you need to find a new train/goalpost to move to. AC has always been historical fiction. It means they have (and will) make shit the fuck up.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Kassandra and Alexios are the descendants of Leonidas in Odyssey and he was basically a demigod. Historical accuracy in AC has been thrown aside years ago.
For the guys here trying to latch on to the 'historical accuracy' train, you need to find a new train/goalpost to move to. AC has always been historical fiction. It means they have (and will) make shit the fuck up.
It's the fact that out of everyone they could've picked, they pick the 1 black guy who was in Japan, with no history of being a Samurai over all those other legendary Samurai's.
Imagine a developer made a game based in Ghana and they made the main character a white guy just because 1 white guy happened to be in Ghana and knew some people during that time.
Mister Apoc
Demigod of Troll Threads
so how will the duel protagonists work?
I assume it will be similar to Jason and Lucia in GTA 6 right?
I assume it will be similar to Jason and Lucia in GTA 6 right?
Little Chicken
Member
Dr. Claus
Banned
Don’t even bother. They will continue to gaslight and push strawman arguments to defend the game. It is all they ever do.
Švejk
Banned
For those history buffs....
wayofbushido.com
The Bogus Story of Yasuke & "wokeness" revisionist history
Ok all you Wakanda fans, in this post we are dealing with history only, no racial bias, no fantasy "wokeness", or revisionist nonsense... just the facts.
wayofbushido.com
Mortisfacio
Member
This is what I find most amusing. Been funny reading one of my discords I'm in where half the people are Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Viet, etc.). One in particular who loves the AC games, has been waiting for his representation to be in an AC game for a good 10 years and... Ubisoft said nope, not today.
Zathalus
Member
Far Cry 2 and Resident Evil 5 off the top of my head. A number of the Cabela games as well. Tarzan most famously. Probably some others.
Strategize
Member
There's literally a Japanese protagonist in the game lol.
March Climber
Gold Member
I've been just quoting their posts and putting them into my older posts on this thread. The talking points are cyclical and it's not worth continuously repeating.
ByWatterson
Member
This is an EXCELLENT burn.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Welsh Privateers were a thing, even 100 years prior to the start of Black Flag. Read up on Henry Morgan.
Clearly you know as little about history as you do about the reason people are annoyed at this game. But thanks for proving my point.
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Mortisfacio
Member
I don't think March Climber cares to understand history. His stance seems to just be gaslighting and mental gymnastics to justify why nobody should be upset with this.
Zathalus
Member
It's pointing holes at the theory that every AC game protagonist has been the ethnicity of the region the game is based in. Not that there were no Welsh pirates.
March Climber
Gold Member
Lol You're almost there guys, keep reading while I old-quote you...
See what I mean
Strategize
? It isn't worth repeating.
Ding Ding Ding! Thank you Zathalus.
See what I mean
Strategize
? It isn't worth repeating.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
A game based on pirates who were often not born of the region they sailed? During the golden age of piracy where you had French, Indian, Spanish, British, and others?
That is being more true to the era than not. Seriously, do you actually know anything about history or are you just parroting the same tired gaslighting/strawman arguments you see elsewhere?
Dr. Claus
Banned
FTFY
March Climber
Gold Member
FTFY too Claus lol.
StueyDuck
Member
you guys need to decide whether you are defending accuracy or not...
No one should criticize Ubisoft because yasuke was totally real guys.. but also they shouldn't criticize because minotaurs.
i mean can you make up your minds
also gotta love the "everyone is racist because they don't think the same as me" energy your response gives off.
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Zathalus
Member
I was clarifying the comment as you clearly misunderstood it. I made no claims as to any historical accuracy about piracy in the Caribbean.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Keep the gaslighting and projecting going.
March Climber
Gold Member
Personally, I just want consistency in opinion (keeping the same energy). For example, if you're upset about changes to history, then be upset about the entire franchise of Assassin's Creed.
Instead people jump through hoops for this one game and do the equivalent of this gif:
...And also using buzzwords like this:
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F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Yeah I'm sure the We Wuz Kangz and We Wuz Samurais guys are not racist. SMH.
Point is, Yasuke is there and he looks dope!
StueyDuck
Member
i mean you failed to pick a side. are you team yay for yasuke cause he was real or yay yasuke because minotaurs?Personally, I just want consistency in opinion (keeping the same energy). For example, if you're upset about changes to history, then be upset about the entire franchise of Assassin's Creed.
Instead people jump through hoops for this one game and do the equivalent of this gif:
if you can't choose a position then your opinion is null and void. it's just noise.
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Zathalus
Member
I would love to hear how I am apparently gaslighting you by trying to clarify another posters comment. Like, genuinely curious.
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StueyDuck
Member
Just calling people racist because they had a different opinion isn't the get out of jail free card anymore like it use to be.
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March Climber
Gold Member
StueyDuck
you already know me by now, I'm not a flag-bearer. I prefer consistency and honesty. So whatever team you want to try and force me on by saying that, feel free but you know I'm not going to claim their side. So if you feel that I am just making noise, you wouldn't be the first 
Do I think this dual protagonist storyline has potential? Yes.
Do I think Yasuke as a fish out of water protagonist has potential? Yes.
Do I think the battle pass is a good idea? No.
Do I think Ubisoft's reveal strategy has been good with this game? No.
Do I think Assassin's Creed stands as an arbiter for historical accuracy? No.
Do I think they consistently take facts from history and put their own spin on it to make it 'cool'? Yes.
AtomicStarving
Member
Let me guess, a big open world game with a bunch of icons to clear that feels like a second job.... I once enjoyed AC, but after Odyssey and last one, I'm kinda sick of it.
I still have nightmares about AC Valhalla. Excessive big with boring gameplay loop and the same kinda bullshit missions ("please end this pain I can't take it anymore").
AC needs to be 20-30 hours, 40h to 100% max > and way less nonsense bullshit.
I still have nightmares about AC Valhalla. Excessive big with boring gameplay loop and the same kinda bullshit missions ("please end this pain I can't take it anymore").
AC needs to be 20-30 hours, 40h to 100% max > and way less nonsense bullshit.
StueyDuck
Member
so if you are just this fun observer.
Do I think this dual protagonist storyline has potential? Yes.
Do I think Yasuke as a fish out of water protagonist has potential? Yes.
Do I think the battle pass is a good idea? No.
Do I think Ubisoft's reveal strategy has been good with this game? No.
Do I think Assassin's Creed stands as an arbiter for historical accuracy? No.
Do I think they consistently take facts from history and put their own spin on it to make it 'cool'? Yes.
then why do you have such heated opinions for those that don't feel the same way. Some people can see what has happened here, The AC teams have yet to make an AC game with a "Fish out of water" character. not one...
not even black flag. Which was a silly example because pirates and privateers were mostly European at that time and in that region.
but people are seeing a pattern, DEI is no longer an industry secret, these things exist. So why can't people who notice that all of a sudden an AC game set in Japan which again, the franchise has always had character who fits into the era, now has a character that very clearly suits "modern sensibilities".
As we have all said, AC historically has never had real people as the MC , funny that all of a sudden they have it now for a game set in Japan where they've conveniently chosen a character who isn't japanese, almost like they can use the "BuHH he WAZZ ReaLS" card for anyone who catches on to what they are doing.
This has nothing to do with the fact he is black and anyone saying as such is arguing in bad faith because you know that's not what it's about.
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SirKicksalot
Member
Don't you find it disrespectful to the real Yasuke that they're going "no, his actual historical achievements are not enough, let's puff him up"?
What's different compared to other historical AssCreed characters is that Yasuke is famous for being a slave that did not make it to the top. His achievements were in a specific liminal space, which is what actually makes him memorable and a step beyond "lul black dude in Japan".
For what it's worth, the ancient aliens story contextualises the Odyssey monsters.
Swagballs717
Member
Even if, by some miracle, it's AS good as Ghost of Tsushima, wouldn't you rather play as the ninja in a game called Assassin's Creed
lmimmfn
Member
This, honestly if companies continue to stick black guys/girls in historical situations where they never existed then those game companies can just fuck off.
Disclaimer before the woke pile in(won't matter anyway, will get a load of shit): playing a game where the protagonist is from Africa and IS IN Africa is fine.
Fuck off Ubisoft with your DEI woke shit and ESG funding.
No wonder Ubisoft is trash for the past 7-10 years
StueyDuck
Member
I mean, personally, I don't even care if that person is X in country Y anyway.
I mean Far Cry 2 was a white dude in Africa, but the thing is, it doesn't matter because that's just a wacky story, in a franchise that has never tried to replicate real life or anything historic.
AC has set a precedent for always wanting to create an authentic world, I mean they even have tours for students in their more recent games.
so if that's so and they had to use a historical person, they chose the one person who wasn't Japanese out of aaaaaall the other Japanese people that existed around then.
This for me purely is Ubisoft trying to score some sweet ESG and DEI points for BlackRock and there's nothing wrong with people pointing that out.
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March Climber
Gold Member
I didn't say this.
Because those same people are listing incorrect information, false equivalencies, and fake narratives.
Based on the opinions of a certain part of the internet, and that's the problem. Like I said, 5 years ago this game wouldn't have had this level of reception. Many people here would have simply called it 'that one open world AC with a black samurai'
If true (I'd have to look this up to be sure) wouldn't that make this game unique?
You also missed the above points.
DEI and SBI have you guys treating them like a looming boogeyman. That's how bad this has gotten. Again, 5 years ago this wouldn't have even been a conversation.
Yasuke represents a person who was in the era this takes place in. However, at the same time he is being hailed as the result of a modern sensibility. If some of you cared about accuracy so much, why is no one checking the credentials of Naoe?
Your complaint is probably the exact reason why they went in that direction. Also they are already injecting fiction to him, by making him a super samurai.
I never said it was, also I kept asking for other reasons why, and the reasons being given are not strong enough of a foundation to justify this level of disdain. Myself and others here keep pointing out the holes in each argument. There's a leaky ship.
And again, I never said it was. Check my posts. I even told another poster a few pages back to keep race out of this, because I know that's an easy way out of a good argument on both sides.
StueyDuck
Member
this game wouldn't have existed 5 years ago. 5 years ago you would have played as a Japanese man, much like how origins you played bayek for example.
there is going to be nothing unique about this game and your are kidding yourself if you think there will be , it will be another AC game.
so what is your point with SBI and DEI? it literally does exist, but you want everyone to pretend like it doesn't, just because YOU don't care doesn't mean these things aren't real. Again you wouldn't have seen it many years ago because DEI is new. Have you actually read up on any of this stuff or do you really think it's just people who are like "Anti-vaxxers" and so on. It is a looming boogeyman, the literal CEO of Blackrock has said on camera that he has to "force change". Anything being forced is never a good thing. i mean what more can i tell you that BlackRock doesn't tell you themselves https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/about-us/diversity-equity-and-inclusion/commitment-to-dei
does yasuke really represent the era? so to you he's the pinnacle of a person who encapsualtes Japan during this period? literally no one else to base a character off or god forbid just create a new Japanese character? The man represents fuckall of japan, he was essentially curio, a funny thing kept around because it's strange, and by the way, he wasn't the only one either. Many races were thought of that way by the Japanese during this period.
we really going to pretend that Yasuke wasn't a pick for "modern audiences" come on, now i know your taking the piss. Like Ubisoft aren't even trying to hide it themselves.
My complaint has fuck all to do with why they are using him, again you have to really have your head in the sand if you genuinely think this was just a fun passion project by a bunch of friends at an indie studio.
there is going to be nothing unique about this game and your are kidding yourself if you think there will be , it will be another AC game.
so what is your point with SBI and DEI? it literally does exist, but you want everyone to pretend like it doesn't, just because YOU don't care doesn't mean these things aren't real. Again you wouldn't have seen it many years ago because DEI is new. Have you actually read up on any of this stuff or do you really think it's just people who are like "Anti-vaxxers" and so on. It is a looming boogeyman, the literal CEO of Blackrock has said on camera that he has to "force change". Anything being forced is never a good thing. i mean what more can i tell you that BlackRock doesn't tell you themselves https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/about-us/diversity-equity-and-inclusion/commitment-to-dei
does yasuke really represent the era? so to you he's the pinnacle of a person who encapsualtes Japan during this period? literally no one else to base a character off or god forbid just create a new Japanese character? The man represents fuckall of japan, he was essentially curio, a funny thing kept around because it's strange, and by the way, he wasn't the only one either. Many races were thought of that way by the Japanese during this period.
we really going to pretend that Yasuke wasn't a pick for "modern audiences" come on, now i know your taking the piss. Like Ubisoft aren't even trying to hide it themselves.
My complaint has fuck all to do with why they are using him, again you have to really have your head in the sand if you genuinely think this was just a fun passion project by a bunch of friends at an indie studio.
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saintjules
Gold Member
What a shiitake
Ovech-King
Member
Yep just snagged the collector's edition. Pretty expensive but the goodies are pretty damn good IMO.
Randall365
Member
The thing I find annoying is that there is absolutely zero gameplay in the big reveal - just gushing about the protagonists. They obviously think they can take sales for granted and all they need to worry about is creating a challenging narrative. Even the sales blurb calls them ‘unlikely allies’ in a series that claims to have been ‘history first’ in the past. Hubris.
proandrad
Member
These companies are doing this purposely to incite a reaction. Anti-woke gamers are gaslit into a frenzy pointing out the obvious, and these corporation get to pretend they aren't just amoral money making machines. Then when the game fails because it sucks and loses money they get to blame "alt-right" gamers for the game's failure to the shareholders. Stop buying into the culture war bs, Assassin's Creed has always had a disclaimer at the start of the game to let you know it's a nonsense fictional story only lightly inspired by history. If the game fails because it sucks let it be obvious that's the reason why and not because gamers are racist.