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[kiiltz]

The lack of a good Hulk/Thanos mashup still bugs me though. All the other OG Avengers got great closing story arcs, but he was totally ignored for some reason. I was kinda hoping using the Gauntlet and absorbing more Gamma rays was going to turn him into World Breaker Hulk. But alas it was not to be.

Eh, on one hand yes, on another hand no. In the context of Hulk's character arc it doesn't really seem feasible for a Thanos confrontation simply because the character isn't around anymore. It's not really shown well because of the timeskip and it being reduced to a 1 minutes diner table explanation.

 

[Saruhashi]

I think in hindsight, history might be a bit kinder to this movie. Myself with some time to reflect, I think the Russos probably realized they were never going to be able to duplicate the same impact and surprise as IW. I mean with the time travel aspect already spoiled within days of IW's release(when Endgame set pics leaked), I think they just focused on trying to make the most entertaining and fan-pleasing movie they could, and not focus so much on "twists" or surprises. And I think they mostly succeeded. Also they kind of wrote themselves into a corner by letting Thanos win in IW, so the only way to bring those people back was something crazy like time travel.

The lack of a good Hulk/Thanos mashup still bugs me though. All the other OG Avengers got great closing story arcs, but he was totally ignored for some reason.

Yeah the final one was always going to be a bit divisive in that way because we all want to see different things.

It's difficult to follow IW on even just the very basic level that you leave the audience kind of shocked that the bad guy won and you know you can't replicate that in the final chapter. You leave people thinking "OMFG I want to see the next one" but here it seems more like a solid ending so people feel like "that's it all over".

I think if you look that them together then they compliment each other really well.

Give it 5 years or so and I predict people will be saying that they just can't follow up on what they've done here.
It'll be so interesting to see how the box office numbers develop as they move into their next phase.

Their TV stuff didn't seem to go down too well, did it?
A lot of the motivation for watching the recent movies was that maybe they would play into Infinity War and Endgame and people didn't want to miss out.

I think they'd have a real hard time selling movies centered around Bucky and Sam, for example, without some kind of "you need to see this because it is building up to something huge".

 

[pramod]

Eh, on one hand yes, on another hand no. In the context of Hulk's character arc it doesn't really seem feasible for a Thanos confrontation simply because the character isn't around anymore. It's not really shown well because of the timeskip and it being reduced to a 1 minutes diner table explanation.

Ok kinda see ur point. But this brings up why didnt Nat and Bruce get back together now that the danger of Bruce ever "hulking out" again is gone?

 

[Javthusiast]

Black Widow was introduced in Iron Man 2, she is an og avenger, why the hell does she get no respect in the last funeral scene together with Tony? It's like they forgot about her completely by that point. I mean they all are like family ffs.

 

[Teslerum]

Black Widow was introduced in Iron Man 2, she is an og avenger, why the hell does she get no respect in the last funeral scene together with Tony? It's like they forgot about her completely by that point. I mean they all are like family ffs.

Black Widow got shafted the entire series too be honest, with a lot of potential I might add as the pure groundwork on her they (imo) got right.She and Hulk (except Ragnarok, even though with a caveat considering that whole thing was originally his story). Two of my main disappointments in the MCU as a whole.

So, I can't be too mad about that as they already paid more respect to her in Endgame than I expected.

 

[squigglefizzle]

Black Widow was introduced in Iron Man 2, she is an og avenger, why the hell does she get no respect in the last funeral scene together with Tony? It's like they forgot about her completely by that point. I mean they all are like family ffs.

She gets mentioned by Clint when he's talking to Wanda (who references Vision.)

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Black Widow was introduced in Iron Man 2, she is an og avenger, why the hell does she get no respect in the last funeral scene together with Tony? It's like they forgot about her completely by that point. I mean they all are like family ffs.

One word: Patriarchy.

 

[entremet]

Good film. Nice sendoff to the new generation of Avengers. I prefer IW overall, but not disappointed with Endgame. I'll miss Stark and Cap.

 

[Cleared_Hot]

I do t get how Peter Parker went back to high school and his friend was there. I guess he died too but... They're five years behind and didn't age?

 

[manfestival]

Avoided this thread all day and night. Finally got back from the movie theater.

The whole movie was pretty fantastic but the whole feminism AHOY segment was really jarring to say the least. It was too obvious. Really served no purpose.
Seems like Hulk fans had enough to go on but not enough to stop from being mad salty about the fact that he didn't go around smashing stuff again. I dig them going into the smarter hulk. In fact, they really have gone ahead into the whole more recent marvel universe. I like the fact that they went ahead with the newer form of the characters with Falcon Captain America, a REAL Gamora(whom might end up like the old one), Pepper Potts Ironman Suit, Iron Patriot on War machine, and many more things.

Lot's of questions remain and for the better I would say.

I do t get how Peter Parker went back to high school and his friend was there. I guess he died too but... They're five years behind and didn't age?

Yeah I had the same thought during that scene. It was a tad confusing because in their minds if they both died then.... they wouldn't have actually missed each other?

 

[cryptoadam]

Watched half of it about to watch the second half so half impressions so far.

One word sums it up, boring. I had seen a review calling the 1st act slow, and ya its slow. And too much Hulk and Antman. I get it that Hulk stood out in Ragnarok but just too much of him this time around. All the cool characters from Endgame like Strange, the Guradians, Spiderman and BP are gone and AntMan and Hulk aren't up to snuff to make me forget about them.

The time travel plot seems a little convoluted and a bit of a cheap cop out. Again too much time wasted on setting up the time travel. And then Tony figures it out in 1 scene.

And where is the action. Thanos fight is barely a fight, and then you have cap v cap. I think thats pretty much it for the first 90 minutes of the movie.

So about to watch the rest, just about finishing up with them being in the past so this is when the movie is supposed to pick up.

IW had better characters that were the focus(Spiderman, BP, Strange, GOG, skinny Thor), more action (opened with Hulk fight, then fight in NY, fight with SW where Cap makes his amazing return etc....) and lets see if anything can top Thanos on Titan fight of IW.

I think the time jump was too long (should of been 1 year max) and they should of come up with a better idea then time travel. I think the cartoon had each member of the Avengers defeat Thanos by outsmarting him and getting one of the stones and that would of been a better way to handle it.

But I still need to watch the last 90 minutes so lets see if it can be redeemed.

 

[cryptoadam]

What I don't get that niggles the shit out of me is Spiderman at the end of the film going back to school. Did Ned (his fat friend) get snapped as well? And as from the trailer for the new Spiderman film did all his friends get snapped as well? I find that hard to believe, there has to be some consequence of the 5 year time gap.

Unless Marvel are lying dick bags and the new Spiderman film isn't set after Endgame.

Thats why the 5 year time jump was stupid. They should of just made it 1 year. It would make more sense. I mean I get 50% of the population dieing is troubling, but 5 years later people will have moved on. Half a decade is a pretty long time.

But as I wrote before the movie was probably worked on backwards. They needed a big tear jerker for Tony, so they decided to give him a daugther and the daughter couldn't be a baby she had to be a kid. So they needed a 5 year time jump no matter how much it would mess everything else up.

 

[The Scrivener]

The whole movie was pretty fantastic but the whole feminism AHOY segment was really jarring to say the least. It was too obvious.

Just got back now too. There were two scenes that got a cheer: the Fortnite one and the female heroes unite at the end one. Great film. Didn't feel any SJWness.

 

[cryptoadam]

Question, I guess a nitpick if you will.

So this kinda makes the whole Strange seeing all these futures thing kinda pointless no?

So Strange saw the best outcome was to give the stone to Thanos so he can snap everyone, so then the Avengers can go back in time to get the stones and undo the snap. That kinda makes almost no sense. There had to have been a better future out there. Or if thats the case why didn't strange have an epiphany at the time and tell everyone else about time traveling and avoid the whole snap thing anyways?

It made it seem like giving the stone was going to play out into some grand plan, but it really didn't. Everyone died anyways and the only way people were saved is because Stark/Antman/Hulk invented time travel.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

I think the movie was pretty fucking fantastic. I am unsure which I like better, IW or Endgame, but I'm leaning towards the latter as of now.

I do think Captain Marvel is OP with no weaknesses. That's gonna grow old real quick. I hope Feige and friends are aware and tone it down a bit, or give us some kind of weaknesses. Thanos defeated Iron man, Cap, Thor together. Whupped on Hulk. All without using a stone. Yet with CM he struggles and needs to use a stone.

 

[manfestival]

Just got back now too. There were two scenes that got a cheer: the Fortnite one and the female heroes unite at the end one. Great film. Didn't feel any SJWness.

My theater cheered at more scenes than yours. Guess my crowd was more excited. You literally just pointed out the one scene that I addressed, which was all the females suddenly being lined up so conveniently. My crowd didn't cheer at the fortnite thing at all.

 

[Cleared_Hot]

Feminism didn't amount to much in Endgame, it had a small moment and then moved on. Hardly anything to write home about.

I really enjoyed it, it was the spectacle it promised to be. Story wise it stumbled slightly with it's logic but it had such cool ideas that it just ran with them.

The fact that it was a BLATANT ladies moment was so forced and obvious that it actually hurt it's purpose.

 

[manfestival]

Question, I guess a nitpick if you will.

So this kinda makes the whole Strange seeing all these futures thing kinda pointless no?

So Strange saw the best outcome was to give the stone to Thanos so he can snap everyone, so then the Avengers can go back in time to get the stones and undo the snap. That kinda makes almost no sense. There had to have been a better future out there. Or if thats the case why didn't strange have an epiphany at the time and tell everyone else about time traveling and avoid the whole snap thing anyways?

It made it seem like giving the stone was going to play out into some grand plan, but it really didn't. Everyone died anyways and the only way people were saved is because Stark/Antman/Hulk invented time travel.

I feel like this is the general problem when it comes to time travel plotlines. It just gets... hairy and hard to really overcome the plot holes or even logical holes. I think they did a decent enough job of covering these things... decent enough to turn your mind off to the nonsense I suppose

 

[Cleared_Hot]

So I was like scratching my head when Thor took his hammer from his past... Not sure how that worked out for past Thor with no hammer and zero explanation.

 

[cryptoadam]

I feel like this is the general problem when it comes to time travel plotlines. It just gets... hairy and hard to really overcome the plot holes or even logical holes. I think they did a decent enough job of covering these things... decent enough to turn your mind off to the nonsense I suppose

I agree time travel becomes dicey and I think they explained it well enough that its not like movie time travel (the BTTF/terminator jokes). And then the ancient one baiscally laying it out to Banner.

But doesn't really explain what Strange saw when he decided the best course of action was to give the stone to Thanos.

So basically the future he saw was one where Thanos snaps everyone, 5 years pass, Stark invents time travel, everyone goes back in time gets the stones, un snaps everyone and then they kill past Thanos in the present.

This doesn't seem like the big winning play that would defeat Thanos by giving him the stone. If giving him the stone was going to outsmart him someway or something it would make sense but it didn't. Maybe Strange should of hinted at time travel or something to atleast have it make sense why giving up the stone was the best thing to do.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Question, I guess a nitpick if you will.

So this kinda makes the whole Strange seeing all these futures thing kinda pointless no?

So Strange saw the best outcome was to give the stone to Thanos so he can snap everyone, so then the Avengers can go back in time to get the stones and undo the snap. That kinda makes almost no sense. There had to have been a better future out there. Or if thats the case why didn't strange have an epiphany at the time and tell everyone else about time traveling and avoid the whole snap thing anyways?

It made it seem like giving the stone was going to play out into some grand plan, but it really didn't. Everyone died anyways and the only way people were saved is because Stark/Antman/Hulk invented time travel.

It's a comic movie. Doctor Strange clearly says in the film that he can't say the winning strategy as it wouldn't happen. It required Stark to sacrifice himself at the end. He would have tried to find another way or whatever.

So I was like scratching my head when Thor took his hammer from his past... Not sure how that worked out for past Thor with no hammer and zero explanation.

Time travel stuff. They plucked these things from other timelines and then Captain Anerica went back and returned them at the same time. Thor wouldn't have missed it. Time travel lets you write anything really.

 

[Cleared_Hot]

My theater cheered at more scenes than yours. Guess my crowd was more excited. You literally just pointed out the one scene that I addressed, which was all the females suddenly being lined up so conveniently. My crowd didn't cheer at the fortnite thing at all.

My theater legit CLAPPED and cheered and many scenes, the ladies moment not being one of them. They went ballistic at Capt America using the hammer, iron Man stealing the stones, as well as some funny Thor moments, annnnd also ant man going giant man and saving dudes

 

[cryptoadam]

It's a comic movie. Doctor Strange clearly says in the film that he can't say the winning strategy as it wouldn't happen. It required Stark to sacrifice himself at the end.

Ya I don't want to go to deep into it, I just feel that in IW it seemed like there was a plan for it to payoff, but that got lost somewhere along the lines when Endgame was being produced. Its kinda like how TLJ dropped the whole who is Rey's parents thing from TFA.

Strange seemed like he had some grand plan, but in Endgame they kinda forgot about it all and just went with a time travel plot.

Basically to me it was something that didn't need to be set up anyways and they kinda didn't really pay it off (ouitside of Tony sacrificing himself which would probably happen anyways and didn't need Strange seeing 100's of futures). It was a plot point that really didn't go anywhere.

 

[Frank Spencer]

Black Widow got shafted the entire series too be honest.

There is a nice Black Widow Hulk GIF for that......

Spoiler

But no way in hell am I posting that here.....

Watched half of it about to watch the second half so half impressions so far.

What? Your watching a cam? Even so no sane person which come here half way through.

Spoiler

No one has yet questioned your post either?

 

[Fox Mulder]

Strange knew Stark had to live in IW as he saw Stark inventing time travel. Banner Hulk couldn't have done it without him as they showed.

 

[AV]

Watched half of it about to watch the second half so half impressions so far.

Really feels like a movie that would benefit from not watching it in 240p.

 

[Javthusiast]

Don't get the need to see Hulk smashing around like a brute against Thanos or whatever. I had my fill of that Hulk, and smart Hulk was such a cool development for him. I like this version the most now.

 

[hollowcupra]

I don't think it's answered in this topic but there is only one thing that i didn't really understand in the movie.

At the final battle we see Thanos grabing the Stormbreaker and trying to kill Thor. Isn't Strombreaker like Mjolnir, were only the worthy can pick it up?

Also in Infinity War when Quill asks Thor for more weapons to kill Thanos , Thor says that their minds will collapse from the weapons strength, but in EG we see Cap. briefly grabbing the Stormbreaker and exchanging it with the Mjolnir with Thor. Is Cap that strong that can weild a god's (King) weapon?

 

[manfestival]

Don't get the need to see Hulk smashing around like a brute against Thanos or whatever. I had my fill of that Hulk, and smart Hulk was such a cool development for him. I like this version the most now.

We already saw that in the first movie... he got crushed. Why would he fare any different now? He also had the assistance of asgardians when he initially tried.

 

[Cleared_Hot]

So let me get this straight the only way they could figure out how to make Captain marvel the symbol of feminism and empowerment was to make extremely masculine and even give her a manly haircut

 

[cryptoadam]

Really feels like a movie that would benefit from not watching it in 240p.

There is a nice Black Widow Hulk GIF for that......

Spoiler

But no way in hell am I posting that here.....

What? Your watching a cam? Even so no sane person which come here half way through.

Spoiler

No one has yet questioned your post either?

I guess if i say it that might be against he TOS .

But TBH I am not a huge movie fan so the quality I watch it in is good enough for me. Kinda like how someone can play MK11 on the switch even though there is a XBOX one X available.

 

[cryptoadam]

Ok watched the last half of the movie and it picks up.

First 90 minutes could of been cut down shorter and moved the story quicker. TBH really just needed to be dropped in after they return with the stones because thats when the movie gets good.

IW was still better and I feel that the Russo's wrote themselves into a corner when they decide to have a shocking ending to IW with the snap happening and we ended up getting the time travel plot.

At this point I think I am done with MCU. RDJ and Evans were the cornerstones of these films. Not sure what Thor's future is but I still have interest in GOG so if he stays with them that might be the only MCU film I keep up with. But Falcon America, Valkyrie Asgard, Captain Marvel, and Potts Iron Heart aren't really interesting to me.

Maybe in about 5 or so years when they reboot Captain America and Iron Man I will come back.

 

[Fox Mulder]

I don't think it's answered in this topic but there is only one thing that i didn't really understand in the movie.

At the final battle we see Thanos grabing the Stormbreaker and trying to kill Thor. Isn't Strombreaker like Mjolnir, were only the worthy can pick it up?

Also in Infinity War when Quill asks Thor for more weapons to kill Thanos , Thor says that their minds will collapse from the weapons strength, but in EG we see Cap. briefly grabbing the Stormbreaker and exchanging it with the Mjolnir with Thor. Is Cap that strong that can weild a god's (King) weapon?

Mjolnir only has the worthy clause because Odin added it in the first Thor film as he was punishing Thor. Stormbreaker doesn't have the same rule.

 

[kunonabi]

I think the only comment about storm breaker was that normal people are too weak to wield them.

The problem with Hulk was that he had no meaningful payoff of any kind and merging the two personalities had no effect real effect on the story and it happening off screen hurt it even more. I would much rather have had the the ancient one facilitate some trippy meeting of the minds so that we at least get to see the transformation. Instead, Banner is just comic relief again.

It being a boring take compared to the comic version didnt help matters.

 

[Da-Kid]

Crowd cheered when all the Women of Marvel Assembled. It was a fantastic moment.

I hope they Introduce Riri Williams Iron Heart,

 

[Liamario]

Found the girl power moment forced and cringey. Cast female superheroes, please. But don't try and force us to feel a certain way. I'm sure there are plenty of women who got a kick out of it though.

BP returning- I felt nothing. In fact I almost feel resentful towards the character due to all the bullshit reviews and over hype for his solo outing.

Really enjoyed the film though and I hope they can make movies with the new lineup without all the forced agenda.

 

[Da-Kid]

Found the girl power moment forced and cringey. Cast female superheroes, please. But don't try and force us to feel a certain way. I'm sure there are plenty of women who got a kick out of it though.

BP returning- I felt nothing. In fact I almost feel resentful towards the character due to all the bullshit reviews and over hype for his solo outing.

Really enjoyed the film though and I hope they can make movies with the new lineup without all the forced agenda.

You guy are some of the most Debbie Downer, whinny, negative lot of people I have ever seen on any message board.

All you guys do is scream "SJW" and bleed tears and rile yourself up over the most non-offensive, insignificant stuff. Damnthere having spasms and seizures for no actual good reason.

Good Lord this place isn't enjoyable anymore.

 

[Mihos]

So how does cap get to Asgard and sneak into Jane fosters room and reinject her with the reality stone? How do you even put the soul stone back?

 

[Cunth]

You guy are some of the most Debbie Downer, whinny, negative lot of people I have ever seen on any message board.

All you guys do is scream "SJW" and bleed tears and rile yourself up over the most non-offensive, insignificant stuff. Damnthere having spasms and seizures for no actual good reason.

Good Lord this place isn't enjoyable anymore.

Posts like this are equally annoying. Bye then

 

[Falcs]

What the hell was Captain Marvel wearing at the funeral?

 

[Tesseract]

this movie will not age well, kinda feeling like they should've let infinity war be the end and move on

all the wrong characters got snapped, disney you suck

 

[Kadayi]

I didn't hate it, but honestly, I don't think it was on par with Infinity War and the script could definitely have done with being distilled. Needed a couple more passes for sure. Flabby is an understatement. It's late, but I'll add more considered thoughts tomorrow.

 

[Teletraan1]

I enjoyed it. Then I read this thread. I still probably prefer IW better but that ending battle was pretty solid.

To me the Girl Power shit doesn't bother me as much as other people. This is the direction it is going, they virtue signaled it to us so I know to tune out what is coming up. I already got 20+ movies. If they want to go the failed route of the comics that is on them. I don't really have to watch. After the next Spiderman movie and GOTG 3 I am probably out. My favorite characters are dead or elderly anyway.

 

[royox]

Just got back now too. There were two scenes that got a cheer: the Fortnite one and the female heroes unite at the end one. Great film. Didn't feel any SJWness.

In Barcelona (where I am from) is not very common for people to "cheer" during movies at the cinema.

Still we got cheers at:
-Marvel Logo
-Thor Beheading Thanos
-Thor getting the Mjolnir
-Cap F*ckign America using the Mjolnir
-First Dr.Strange Portal (then when people saw it was Black panther it suddently stopped lol)
-DOCTOR F*CKING STRANGE
-Cap.Marvel destroying Thanos's ship.
-Scarlet pwning Thanos
-Toni Stark saying "I am Ironman".


The "all women that NEVER met each other before suddently decided to assemble for the selfie picture" was cringeworthy. Even more cringeworthy because seconds before we had an amazing scene with almost every important character fighting and collaborating no matter the sex or the race (AS IT SHOULD BE).

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I think BP is cool as hell. Not sure he deserves to be resented. I think he's earned his place in this story, unlike CM.

The Girl Power scene was a little much, I admit, but just a tiny drop in the big, quirky puddle that is this movie. Just rolled my eyes a little then forgot about it

 

[Dacon]

You guy are some of the most Debbie Downer, whinny, negative lot of people I have ever seen on any message board.

All you guys do is scream "SJW" and bleed tears and rile yourself up over the most non-offensive, insignificant stuff. Damnthere having spasms and seizures for no actual good reason.

Good Lord this place isn't enjoyable anymore.

Dude you are literally whining yourself, in response to a post that doesnt even present itself in any extreme fashion.

Perhaps this board isnt for you if you can't handle seeing opinions that don't align with your own.

 

[Cunth]

I think BP is cool as hell. Not sure he deserves to be resented. I think he's earned his place in this story, unlike CM.

The Girl Power scene was a little much, I admit, but just a tiny drop in the big, quirky puddle that is this movie. Just rolled my eyes a little then forgot about it

When we first got Black Panther in Civil War I thought he was cool as hell, but the BP movie made him seem weak and a little boring

 

[kunonabi]

The girl power thing was a cheap pop but it probably would have worked better if they just hadnt called attention to it the way they did. Plus it made no sense since the idea that CM would have trouble going it alone was a ridiculous notion with nothing to back it up.

I'm a huge fan of most of the female characters anyway so it didnt bother me that much.

 

[Xenon]

The girl power thing was a cheap pop but it probably would have worked better if they just hadnt called attention to it the way they did. Plus it made no sense since the idea that CM would have trouble going it alone was a ridiculous notion with nothing to back it up.

I'm a huge fan of most of the female characters anyway so it didnt bother me that much.

Yeah it just took me out of the movie for a moment. But Thanos knocked me back in

Otherwise I enjoyed it for the most part but it did get a bit too sentimental and the time travel aspects were pretty shallow.

Spoiler

How was Ned still the same age as Peter?

 

[manfestival]

Movie had me in tears for a couple scenes. Too strong! TOO MANY ONIONS IN THE THEATER