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Batman: Arkham Shadow Announced (VR)

Wonko_C

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Hot5pur said:
As a quest 3 owner this makes me happy.
It does suck for people with quest 2 who can't upgrade or can't justify it at the moment.
The reality is that the quest platform needs to change the perception that it's just "crappy mobile graphics" and I think this will help as focus shifts to the quest 3.
VR is great, I just wish I had more energy at the end of the day. My biggest use is body combat at the moment, absolute game changer for my cardio fitness.
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As a Quest 2-only owner, I'm happy Meta is actively tackling the chicken and egg problem VR suffers by being the biggest damn chicken they can be. I can't afford a Quest 3 to play this game, but I'll be right there when Quest 4 comes out.
 
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SmokedMeat

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KXVXII9X said:
The Quest 2 started getting Quest 2 exclusives around the same timeframe. It was slightly different in that the Quest 2 already had a fast growing number of users.

As someone with a Quest 3, I think having a couple of Quest 3 only exclusives will be good in seeing what our new devices can actually do. I feel like the potential is held back a bit by Quest 2. Kind of the same way the Quest 1 held back Quest 2 games.
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Quest 2 launched at $299. Quest 3 is $499. The adoption of Quest 3 will be much slower.

I totally get where you’re coming from though. I just think Meta’s making a mistake in locking out Quest 2, when it’s still outselling Quest 3.
 
FoxMcChief

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LordCBH said:
Maybe I should just pick up a fucking quest at some point
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Romulus

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SmokedMeat said:
I just think Meta’s making a mistake in locking out Quest 2, when it’s still outselling Quest 3.
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It could be they couldn't accomplish the vision on Quest 2. Might be the case where Quest 3 is just barely enough juice to pull this off without tremendous downgrades. We've only seen Quest 3 updates at this point to Quest 2 games, so it'll be at least interesting to see what Quest 3 can do without an anchor attached.
 
CamHostage

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SmokedMeat said:
Quest 2 launched at $299. Quest 3 is $499. The adoption of Quest 3 will be much slower.

I totally get where you’re coming from though. I just think Meta’s making a mistake in locking out Quest 2, when it’s still outselling Quest 3.
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Quest 2 was the right product at the right time at the right price point; a perfect gift for a lot of different consumer types, especially in that COVID Christmas.

Quest 3 doesn't have that advantage or price point (and Quest 2 keeps chopping off more off... it's still a f***ing amazing buy, and it's got over 600 games to choose from, with more added every day; Homeworld: Vast Reaches just released today, BTW,) but it is the device that dedicated VR gamers are using (or plan on using when they can afford it,) and that's the difference that developers are focusing on when considering whether to stay 2/3 cross-gen or go exclusive to 3. Lots of those Quests sold to hobbyists or fitness players, and those people are not buying new software and they're not demanding upgrades.

When you're making a high-end Batman or Alien or other franchise game, you look at who's likely to buy. (You also look at the hardware capabilities; cross-gen on console this gen has been viable for a long time because there are lots of fallback and porting techniques to support high and low platform lines if sales hold up, but Quest 3 and especially UE5 may make downscaling too difficult to be worth it.) A lot of those buyers are looking for the best experience possible in VR in this product line. It's a risk, but a calculated risk.
 
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Hot5pur

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Yeah I also think it's a calculated risk. If batman is wildly successful I'd imagine they would want to encourage as many people to upgrade to the 3 so it would justify more graphically impressive games. This may help convince more people that it's a serious device and not a crappy mobile phone strapped to your face (it's not, but some people rip on it this way)
 
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FoxMcChief

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analog_future said:
It's a pretty fantastic device with a nice library of games at this point.
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The library really is great, and side loading the Quest Game Optimizer really does a great job at making games look better.

Beat Sabers resolution is comically low, even on Quest 3, but with the Optimizer app, it looks clean and crisp.
 
ResurrectedContrarian

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Oculus Studios has a history of pushing for big, full-budget VR games in order to sell the medium -- with more of a long-term view in mind rather than worrying about current install base.

Lone Echo is an example of this. There's no way that the actual sales numbers on the Rift justified that large of a polished, fully voice acted, extremely well produced VR game. But Oculus funded it with the clear aim of selling the potential of their platform/hardware.
 
Red Crayon Aristocrat

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For what it's worth if the trailer is referencing ratcatcher and it probably is, he was stated to be dead circa Arkham City iirc, so chance are this is a midquel between the first and second games.

What I gotta know is if I buy a Quest 3, can I finally play Half-Life Alyx with it?
 
KXVXII9X

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SmokedMeat said:
Quest 2 launched at $299. Quest 3 is $499. The adoption of Quest 3 will be much slower.

I totally get where you’re coming from though. I just think Meta’s making a mistake in locking out Quest 2, when it’s still outselling Quest 3.
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Absolutely. The Quest 2 is at a really competitive price and has a lot of users. With that said, I think it would be wise just to release a few Quest 3 exclusives here and there just for people to see the power of the Quest 3 and see that there is a positive direction for VR. I think it would be a nice win/win if they also made a PCVR version of the Quest 3 exclusive games so Quest 2 users and other VR headsets could play too, leaving Quest 3 the only place to play natively. It would still give the incentive to buy a Quest 3 while allowing others the ability to play said games.
 
ienjoyrawfish

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gothmog said:
The VR hate is so weird. Like there's no future where we're not staring at flat screens with keyboard, mouse, and controllers as input devices? Seems so short sighted to actively shit on it.
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The VR hate is just a cope for people who can't afford it. Same mentality that causes people to shit on raytracing or say there's no difference between 4K and 1080p.

Just sad, bitter luddites who want to halt progress so everyone else can be as miserable as they are
 
Romulus

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Oddvintagechap said:
it is weird Playstation, Steam, and Meta making their VR games sorta exclusive. Market is too small to be doing that.
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But what's the strategy look like? Meta funded this via their own studio. They should just fund porting to all other devices too, which are in direct competition?

I get that VR is small, but there's also terrible business decisions too. The fact is, the game would have never existed without meta funding it.
 
Romulus

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Below is a long winded interview with the developer.

I'll summarize the highlights:

The most important part of the video to me is the developer confirming this is not a tech demo and is absolutely a full fledged game.

He goes on to mention it has a large studio behind it this time unlike Iron Man VR(not sure exactly what that means but Iron Man was solid)

Apparently there's multiple villains and sounds like Scarecrow is back.

Sounds like semi open world.

 
Jinzo Prime

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Romulus said:
Below is a long winded interview with the developer.

I'll summarize the highlights:

The most important part of the video to me is the developer confirming this is not a tech demo and is absolutely a full fledged game.

He goes on to mention it has a large studio behind it this time unlike Iron Man VR(not sure exactly what that means but Iron Man was solid)

Apparently there's multiple villains and sounds like Scarecrow is back.

Sounds like semi open world.

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It would be crazy to keep this game VR only, it should be ported/expanded to a full sized "flat" 3D game at some point. I'm happy for those of you with a Meta Quest 3 that get to experience it now, however.
 
poppabk

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Romulus said:
But what's the strategy look like? Meta funded this via their own studio. They should just fund porting to all other devices too, which are in direct competition?

I get that VR is small, but there's also terrible business decisions too. The fact is, the game would have never existed without meta funding it.
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They have their own PC store. To not put it there even if they don't release on Steam seems weird.
 
Romulus

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poppabk said:
They have their own PC store. To not put it there even if they don't release on Steam seems weird.
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Then it becomes a PC port though in addition to a Quest 3 game. I would argue Quest 3 will have already surpassed all active PCVR users by that point. Even by now isn't out of the question.
 
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MR ARCADE FOREVER

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Jinzo Prime said:
It would be crazy to keep this game VR only, it should be ported/expanded to a full sized "flat" 3D game at some point. I'm happy for those of you with a Meta Quest 3 that get to experience it now, however.
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Seriously, why it would be crazy!? So a vr game now cannot have any exclusivity? The game is probably built from the ground up for vr so it may not translate that well to flat anyways...
 
ThatOneGrunt

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Jinzo Prime said:
It would be crazy to keep this game VR only, it should be ported/expanded to a full sized "flat" 3D game at some point. I'm happy for those of you with a Meta Quest 3 that get to experience it now, however.
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No. Some games absolutely are only intended to be VR experiences. It's like that dumb effort of making Alyx a flat game. There are moments in that game that just wouldn't make sense outside of VR. Like Batman Arkham VR that came out forever ago. There are moments in that game that are shocking once you realize what is happening. And they only have their emphasis because of how VR can change your sense of scale. Just let VR games be VR games.
 
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I would love to try this out but i tried quest 3 and it just made me feel nausuous and gave me eye strain. also being able to see the rim of the lenses kinda took me out of it if they can make one where it doesnt feel like your looking through a set of glasses i would give it another try. They really need to have places in all retail stores where you can try these before you make a purchaseas it's alot of money to drop if it doesn't suit you.
 
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FoxMcChief

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gamer82 said:
I would love to try this out but i tried quest 3 and it just made me feel nausuous and gave me eye strain. also being able to see the rim of the lenses kinda took me out of it if they can make one where it doesnt feel like your looking through a set of glasses i would give it another try. They really need to have places in all retail stores where you can try these before you make a purchaseas it's alot of money to drop if it doesn't suit you.
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All of that is understandable. Just sounds like you need more time wearing the headset.
 
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Romulus said:
Below is a long winded interview with the developer.

I'll summarize the highlights:

The most important part of the video to me is the developer confirming this is not a tech demo and is absolutely a full fledged game.

He goes on to mention it has a large studio behind it this time unlike Iron Man VR(not sure exactly what that means but Iron Man was solid)

Apparently there's multiple villains and sounds like Scarecrow is back.

Sounds like semi open world.

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Pretty crazy that Ryan Payton goes from being a freelance writer for video game magazines, then a host of the Kojima Production Report podcast to being a director of a VR game.
 
Romulus

Romulus

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Joshmyersbv said:
Pretty crazy that Ryan Payton goes from being a freelance writer for video game magazines, then a host of the Kojima Production Report podcast to being a director of a VR game.
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He was the creative director for Halo 4 before République VR, Iron Man VR, and now Batman.
 
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FoxMcChief

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mckmas8808

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Jinzo Prime said:
It would be crazy to keep this game VR only, it should be ported/expanded to a full sized "flat" 3D game at some point. I'm happy for those of you with a Meta Quest 3 that get to experience it now, however.
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I'm assuming it's Facebook that's bankrolling this game's creation. And if that's true, they CAN NOT make it a flat TV game. Not if the point of the game is for it to be a VR game.
 
Romulus

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“Though today's trailer didn't reveal any gameplay footage - gameplay will be shown at Gamescom 2024, Meta states Arkham Shadow offers "the same blend of exploration, stealth, and free-flowing combat the series is known for" across a full-fledged story-driven campaign. You can use Batman's Grapnel Gun to explore Gotham City, grab your cape to silently glide behind enemies and 'Detective Vision' also returns.
Combat lets you string up enemies from vantage points while attacking them with your Batarang or making an escape with Smoke Bombs. We also learned that Arkham Shadow features crime scene examinations, puzzles hidden across this world, and hidden collectibles. Further details like undercover missions were also mentioned in a recent ESRB rating.”



Apparently the game is heavily inspired by the first Arkham game, down to the Metrovania style, stealth, and combat. The devs were surprised how much they could do with the Quest 3 when it wasn't anchored to Quest 2.
 
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