Giallo Corsa
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Not if you were wrong I suppose
Yes, yes, stir that shit up !
Black Myth: Wukong comes to Xbox August 20th 2025
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Yes, yes, stir that shit up !
HeisenbergFX4
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Marching orders from castle green when they actually thought the Series S would in fact compete with the PS5 and their Series X was the "pro" model in all the land
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Buggy Loop
Member
Hard disagree, there's a LOT more moveset depth than souls. It's a lot more action. If you're triggered by NG then think more action like God of War but without the leniency of smashing buttons and wreck shit as wukong is a lot more based on timing, move frames and patience aka NG than the easier action hack and slash
Outside of thinking that there's bonfire equivalent places in the game so monkey brain says it's souls like, the comparisons with souls end there. I'm so fucking tired of souls mentioned in every fucking game with a tiny bit of action now.
Souls have armor/weapon ocean size variety and inch deep movesets. This one focus on a single weapon but is much deeper.
The combat is completely different, the death mechanic is completely different with no loss of xp, have you found a single souls like where you don't have to recover body to get XP back? I don't think you do. The XP used for skill tree again nothing like souls, level design nothing like soul it's not a connected world with shortcuts but much more linear and divided by chapters… like hack and slash action games.
Steve Holt
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So wait.. they just really like this date.
Moneyhat theories are in the mud again?
Moneyhat theories are in the mud again?
Astray
Member
Lol ppl tried to get him to cool it yet he still persisted rofl.
Their trolling game is A-class tbh.So wait.. they just really like this date.
Moneyhat theories are in the mud again?
Just another day of China beating the US I guess lol.
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Punished Miku
Gaslighter Pro: 16.7 Fireflops
Don't worry about it, he just likes the word Lockhart.Lol ppl tried to get him to cool it yet he still persisted rofl.
Their trolling game is A-class tbh.
Just another day of China beating the US I guess lol.
Actually, yes. And it was proved in this very thread multiple times
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PlayStaytion
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The Series S excuse were real."There was no exclusivity deal"
Oh for fuck's sake there clearly was
Astray
Member
I'm trying to find that screencap where someone tells him that they'd be shocked if the Series S exceeds the PS5 in performance and he goes "prepare to be shocked".
He's been really humbled by Cerny this gen tbh.
Astray
Member
The thing that gets me is we just saw what Sony does when they secure an exclusive.. They gave Marvel Tokon a full 10 minutes of them talking about how the deal happened etc.
No one signs an exclusive deal without actually getting to market it, it's the entire point of making exclusive deals rofl.
Topher
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PlayStaytion
Member
Xbox users are usually late to the party but they don't miss any decent game. The deal don't mean much even if it's real.
LordCBH
Member
Lol ppl tried to get him to cool it yet he still persisted rofl.
Their trolling game is A-class tbh.
Just another day of China beating the US I guess lol.
Tom Warren is just a clown.
HeisenbergFX4
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Baemono
Member
He should've shaved his bear like Jeff cut his hair when Metroid Prime Remastered wasn't announcedWho really got humbled by Cerny
Astray
Member
Would not put it past him to be the guy talking to all the shills and giving "the inside track" on how this gen would go.Who really got humbled by Cerny
I want to say I recall you saying something to that effect but I can't remember exactly lol.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Ssssshhhhh..... You're going to ruin all the fun that is being had in here......
Kvally
Member
A game console that I play hundreds of games on and enjoy. Along with millions of others. Is that an issue?
Giallo Corsa
Member
Persecution complex too stronK, they just can't fight it.
"SoNy MoNey HaTs !11!!" - with MS having moneyhatted/bought half of the industry, you can't make shit up...
To conclude:
-Sonybad
-Nintendobad
-EeexBox good
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No, there isn't because you're restricted to a single weapon and the moveset is nowhere near God of War, let alone NG but much closer to Souls in its simplicity. NG and God of War movesets are practically like fighting games. Wukong is braindead.
If by "a lot more action" you mean "fast-paced", then sure.
Hell no. Ninja Gaiden and God of War have a bountiful of moves and combo strings and play like fighters. Also lol at Wukong being more timing-based. It's the exact opposite. Wukong lets you keep striking when your stamina is depleted. Souls games don't, so you have to time your shit a lot more in Souls games because if you don't, you're screwed. There's almost no one-shot boss in Wukong, whereas you got a bunch of them in Souls. Timing is far more critical in those games.
Fixed difficulty, the slow healing that needs to be timed, enemies respawning upon rest, deliberately challenging combat, stamina management, emphasis on 1v1 combat...you know, all things missing from GOW or NG and that are core to the Souls design philosophy.
Except the moveset with the staff isn't deep my guy. There's a handful of combos. That's it. NG and GOW have a whole ass move list.
Soulslike is a subgenre. There isn't one defining mechanic but rather a set of core ones that are found in their games. A game doesn't have to check every box, but it has to check most of them and Wukong does. This game takes FAR more inspiration from Souls games than NG and it isn't even funny. It even goes a step further into RPG mechanics and builds, which NG has none of. NG and GOW have huge groups of enemies and emphasize crowd control like traditional character action games. Wukong's approach is much more similar to Souls games in that it's best to aggro enemies individually and separate them because taking on multiple enemies is often ill-advised.
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DarthPutin
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Yeah, and in Asia they certainly take symbolism of dates seriously.
I don't really get the point of argument, though, if they did have exclusivity deal (that would have come with contracted amount of advertizing) they'd have every right to.
Topher
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Big reason why I think there isn't much use rehashing all this. There is enough moneyhat drama to go around but somehow this one game is controversial? We've got Stalker 2, Space Marine, Kena, Stray and a bunch of others out there as well. So when a known Xbox diehard wants to square up with me over Black Myth Wukong then all I can do is shake my head.
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Buggy Loop
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Again hard disagree but think whatever you want. A souls like without penalty for dying, linear levels and no RPG mechanic..Sure.
adamsapple
try it yourself, don't trust simplistic « souls-like » comparisons. Very tired of those. Might as well call cuphead and monster hunter a souls like while we're at it.They love that day... and that day coincides with the first day where any exclusivity period would have ended.So wait.. they just really like this date.
Moneyhat theories are in the mud again?
I don't know what emphasis some are trying to give to that detail... other than, yes, the Studio love that date so much that they've pushed as hard as they can to make the Xbox launch happen on that day as well
The other thing is to believe that the optimization period they needed was exactly 365 days or that they have been delaying the release on Xbox until that day came for reasons of superstition
.That said, the case matters little now because the effect is the same. A super strange case with an absolute lack of transparency... crowned by the choice of day
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
What do you mean no RPG mechanics? Wukong is an action RPG.
It is a Soulslike. You comparing it to NG is downright farcical. Or call it a Soulslite. Whatever the case, the mechanics it lifted from Souls games are blatant. That whole Horse Guai questline is straight out of a From game.
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Baemono
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Kvally
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That was actually funny
Baemono
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That was actually funny
DanielG165
Member
I bounced off this after the giant black bear fight. Beautiful game, especially on PC, but the combat loop didn't fully capture me. Excited for Xbox players to finally get to play it though!
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Well, that's the only way how you could have played "hundreds" of games on itThat was actually funny
Giallo Corsa
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That's just the 2nd boss Daniel, you bounced off preeeetttyy fast
Oh man, what fun you would have had after 60+hours fighting Yellow Loong, Scorpion bandit and the last, 3-phase boss
.Anyway, it was a solid 7 for me, the invisible walls were too much after a while, the combat system was nothing to write home about but most importantly, it out stayed its welcome after the 40+ hour mark...
Art direction/atmosphere was really good though
Steve Holt
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I feel bad that this story has caught out Denchy again.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
I don't know what is funnier, the people downplaying the release or the ones denying the exclusive deal. Prime example why you can't take gamers seriously.
Kvally
Member
I could see a troll saying that, true.
StreetsofBeige
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Third party games almost sell like crap on Switch, unless it's Monster World, Stardew Valley or Mincrraft. A gritty action game like Wukong is not the kind of game Ninty gamers play.
List of best-selling Nintendo Switch video games - Wikipedia
StreetsofBeige
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Unless it's Nintendo who hard locks their games to their own hardware, any game can show up anywhere. Never believe what they say because there's always NDA deals and once time is up it's a free for all.
Way back when Sony had marketing deals for Diablo 3, Activision wasnt allowed to show or promote it was coming to Xbox systems. It obviously was since game stores allowed you to pre-order it. But in terms of videos Activision wasnt allowed to mention Xbox for a year. Then magically, a month before release is when their deal must had ended because suddenly Activision could promote it as multiplatform till release.
Even Sony renegs. Look how many times in the past they said they werent going multiplatform. Next thing you know, the games show up on PC and MLB shows up on Xbox the past 5 years. MLB even now shows up on Switch. And that comes when Insomniac boldly promoted on Twitter Spiderman will never come to PC. Years later, PC has Spiderman and Miles Morales. And just recently added Spiderman 2 to complete the trifecta. So much for that Tweet. And it came direct from the developer's Twitter account too.
Way back when Sony had marketing deals for Diablo 3, Activision wasnt allowed to show or promote it was coming to Xbox systems. It obviously was since game stores allowed you to pre-order it. But in terms of videos Activision wasnt allowed to mention Xbox for a year. Then magically, a month before release is when their deal must had ended because suddenly Activision could promote it as multiplatform till release.
Even Sony renegs. Look how many times in the past they said they werent going multiplatform. Next thing you know, the games show up on PC and MLB shows up on Xbox the past 5 years. MLB even now shows up on Switch. And that comes when Insomniac boldly promoted on Twitter Spiderman will never come to PC. Years later, PC has Spiderman and Miles Morales. And just recently added Spiderman 2 to complete the trifecta. So much for that Tweet. And it came direct from the developer's Twitter account too.
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Baemono
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Third party games almost sell like crap on Switch, unless it's Monster World, Stardew Valley or Mincrraft. A gritty action game like Wukong is not the kind of game Ninty gamers play.
List of best-selling Nintendo Switch video games - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
This list is almost exclusively Nintendo-published titles, 3rd party devs don't usually break down their sales per platform, minus some exceptions (we know for eg The Witcher 3 sold 700k at launch on Switch 1). We know some indie games sell better on Switch than other consoles for eg.
So yes Monster Hunter Rise is a good example, as Capcom says how much its games sold, and it was a Switch exclusive for 6 month. But that's rather an exception than the rule.
Buggy Loop
Member
Souls are level based as in you have to make a build with certain STR or other stats and boss are typically level centric or they expect you to be a certain level for area or boss unless you're some parry god
There's none of that in Wukong. It's skill tree based. Completely different
Calling everything souls like is brainrot
Including Sekiro
I'll fight anyone calling this shit souls-like.
LordCBH
Member
Ah yes, PlayStation, the company who'd been known for bragging about games being only on their platform, suddenly stopped bragging just for this one specific game lol.
Topher
Identifies as young
pfffft.....this is nothing
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
But there is all of that in Wukong? The xp you gather is directly used to level up your stats such as strength, HP, endurance, etc, and having too little can result in bosses being much harder. Some bosses such as Yin Tiger or Yellow Loong are even recommended to be fought later because they're initially too difficult until you level up. There are entire builds you can look up online for Wukong, something that is completely absent from NG. Ain't no builds in NG. No one cares about your stats or the strengths and weaknesses of your character.
Saying Sekiro isn't a Soulslike is just laughable. Once again, it checks all the damn boxes aside from the RPG mechanics and even then, it has light RPG mechanics. And who calls everything a Soulslike? God of War sure as hell ain't a Soulslike, neither is Monster Hunter, or most action RPGs out there. Sekiro, Lies of P, Lords of the Fallen, Black Myth Wukong, First Berserker Khazan, Darksiders 3, those are Soulslike and the elements they borrowed are so obvious you'd have to be blind to deny it.
How do you even define a Soulslike? Because I defined core elements and you haven't.
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DForce
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DenchDeckard
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Oh ok. Its back to no deal lol. What a ride this xbox release has been.
To be clear, after hearing about the birthdays thing. I think it lines up with that.
Cant wait to see the series s version.
To be clear, after hearing about the birthdays thing. I think it lines up with that.
Cant wait to see the series s version.