Black Myth: Wukong comes to Xbox August 20th 2025
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Your point was that the character is a blank slate with no agency or voice, exactly like in Wukong. It's no BG3 or Cyberpunk where it's a blank character but they have a voice or agency. Instead of waffling, you could have simply said "character creator" but it would have made your point hollow, which it was.
Why the fuck should I care about him? What decision has he made regarding the game mechanics? What weight does he have on the design? None, so I don't give a shit about what he has to say.random YouTuber lol
He's one of the most streamed Sekiro player. Not knowing fightingcowbow says it all really how much you know the subject.
Yeah, I gave you a bunch of interviews detailing Miyazaki's design vision and used his own words on how he approaches the games, I then linked that to the mechanics of Wukong to show the similarities while all you had was a fucking youtuber lmao.
Wukong doesn't tick all the boxes, but it ticks most of them, hence why it is a Soulslike. You can be mad all you want. It's blatant most of the core mechanics were inspired by From.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No it isn't a pure action game. Stop with this shit. Ninja Gaiden and Bayonetta are pure action games. This is an action RPG where shit like stats, gear, and character build make a huge difference and you can trivialize the game. NG is just git gud. You can't fraud your way unless you choose easier modes.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yes.
Stafford
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nial
Member
What are you even talking about? Marketing deals don't stop you from mentioning or even selling a different version of the game, but exclusivity deals do. You are NOT allowed to mention different ports until the deal runs out, which means that they wouldn't be allowed to announce the port until August 20th.
You know what's the best example of this? Deathloop, Microsoft wasn't allowed the announce the Xbox version of its own game until exactly one year after the PS5 version was released.
You are not allowed the market it before the deal runs out, read my response above.?? The exclusivity is limited to the Game launch, not to announcements or pre-orders. Besides, the game was already announced on Xbox.
Every deal can be negotiated to have their own terms. Not all exclusivity deals are the same.
nial
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As far as we know, every exclusivity deal has been exactly like this.
And you people accuse others of doing mental gymnastics, lmao.
Buggy Loop
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Silent protagonists, what are those?
Zelda is probably soulslike then
The story is around him, including Wukong who is voiced and destined one gets lines in Wukong stance. The point is that EVERYONE experiences the same core story and same core mechanics.
Let's see what Miyazaki thinks of Sekiro
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice Is Not Part Of Soulsborne Series, From Software Says
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice may look a little like Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and more From Software titles, but the developer says the game is entirely separate.
www.gamespot.com
Not even a soulsborne to Miyazaki
Again, there's not even remotely the same depth of attacks with a single weapon in soulslike that stances +skills have in Wukong with the advanced combos.
Someone playing Elden ring with a mage that has the kamehameha spell is completely different experience than one that is knuckle build.
Sekiro, like Wukong, everyone experiences the same core way to play the game. Variations add depth to certain stances or play styles, but they never become night and day difference between two players.
Bernardougf
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Its a dogshit patch... they barely touched the perfomance mode... so its a no buy for me until deeply discounted
yeah its all a giant conspiracy against xbox series, a console that already died two years ago.
I repite. Here we're talking about a situation where the Xbox version was already announced and had a release date... It's unlike any other comparable situation. If this Wukong case is being discussed more and given more room for speculation, it's because it's a strange situation full of oddities. There's nothing logical or common about the Studio's approach.
Then, the exclusivity limitations always come down to the release date, as Sony itself points out in its **. That is, you can't release the game on another platform before a specific date. This doesn't include opening pre-orders or announcing that version shortly before that date.
Obviously, with games that weren't previously announced, it's not in their best interest to mention them until the announcement of said version.
Incidentally, it was curious how the studio made any mention of the Xbox version disappear from the game's advertising and announcements following the announcement of its discontinuation, when the more common thing is to keep that mention with the message "later on Xbox" or "coming soon also to Xbox."
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ReasonBeing
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Not true. MS comments, regarding how they cannot comment on the deals made by its partners with other platform holders, was the origin of this speculation. The idea that Xbox fans just made this up whole cloth is a misrepresentation of the situation and you know this.
Where do you think that comment originated from? Jez the idiot asked them.
Hotly anticipated 'Black Myth: Wukong' is delayed on Xbox Series X|S — and now, Microsoft has responded
Black Myth: Wukong for Xbox Series X|S seems to be a myth of its own, at least for now.
www.windowscentral.com
They then ran with it.
SamuraiEdge
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Where do you think that comment originated from? Jez the idiot asked them.
Hotly anticipated 'Black Myth: Wukong' is delayed on Xbox Series X|S — and now, Microsoft has responded
Black Myth: Wukong for Xbox Series X|S seems to be a myth of its own, at least for now.
They then ran with it.
Jezza just wanted the hits and attention. Man needs to make money to eat and get his KFC Famiy size buckets he eats to himself. It all adds up.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I never made the argument. You did lol. Besides, Soulslike means a collection of mechanics inspired by Souls games. A game doesn't have to have all of them, just most of them.
The story of Dark Souls is about the Chosen Undead (aka you) going on a pilgrimage to link the flames. The story of Wukong is about the Destined One (aka you) going on a quest to retrieve the relics of the Great Sage. Wukong appears once in the whole damn game in the prologue and only has a handful of lines of dialogue. If the Destined One was a protagonist a la Geralt of Rivia, sure, this would change the game, but he's effectively a blank slate like the protags in Souls games. This argument does not work.
Yeah, no. Here is what he says:Let's see what Miyazaki thinks of Sekiro
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice Is Not Part Of Soulsborne Series, From Software Says
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice may look a little like Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and more From Software titles, but the developer says the game is entirely separate.
Not even a soulsborne to Miyazaki
"Sekiro was not designed as an evolution of Soulsborne, of the Souls series,"
Because Bloodborne is widely considered a part of the Souls series, but it's its own thing. Sekiro is definitely not part of that series. That's what Miyzaki is saying. It doesn't mean the gameplay conventions or mechanics aren't there because they are. Let's read on.
We want to keep the challenge. We want to keep that core experience very much intact for those people."
So, he's sitting here telling us it has the same core experience that he wants to keep for Souls fans and you're going to tell me it isn't a Soulslike? In addition, he says he "doesn't know" if he'd call this an evolution because he damn well know it's similar.
This isn't relevant. The game doesn't have to be a Souls clone like Lords of the Fallen. It could have Ninja Gaiden-esque combo system and still be a Soulslike.
That's the RPG part. Wukong is halfway between RPG and pure action game.
For Sekiro more than Wukong. Someone running a sign build in Wukong will play it vastly different from someone running a Spellbinder build.
You seem to be mistaking what I'm saying. There are levels to this.
Soulsborne: Games part of the Soulsborne series: Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, Elden Ring.
Souls Clones: Games that lift almost every mechanic and atmosphere from Souls games. Examples: Lords of the Fallen.
Soulslike: Games that borrow many of their core elements from the Souls series: Examples: Black Myth Wukong, Lies of P, Sekiro.
Let's run down the list of elements that are critical to the Souls experience.
-Challenging combat
-Emphasis on 1v1 (or limited number of enemies) combat and separating enemies (so no destroying 10 enemies at once)
-Slow-paced combat light on combos and moveset (added this from you)
-Souls (xp) retrieval
-Stamina management
-Slow and limited healing that requires careful timing
-Minor mobs respawning upon death
-Bonfire/checkpoint system
-RPG mechanics
-Cryptic story often told non-linearly
-Cryptic quest design
-Multiplayer (optional)
I didn't add your faceless protagonist part because it's irrelevant to the experience. Swap the Dark Souls protagonist with a pre-defined silent character and nothing changes. That's why I don't think it belongs there. I did add multiplayer because it can be part of the core of the game, but it is optional. If you have more to add, feel free to do so.
So, out of 12 elements that are undoubtedly part of the core of Souls games, Wukong and Sekiro have 9-10. How can you call them not Soulslike? They don't even have multplayer, so it's arguably 9/11 for Wukong. You guys were saying Wukong has 1 element in common with Souls games. Come on. Its entire core is built like a Soulslike.
ReasonBeing
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So like I said, the launch date is not the ONLY evidence.Where do you think that comment originated from? Jez the idiot asked them.
Hotly anticipated 'Black Myth: Wukong' is delayed on Xbox Series X|S — and now, Microsoft has responded
Black Myth: Wukong for Xbox Series X|S seems to be a myth of its own, at least for now.
They then ran with it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The MS comment does not even confirm there is a deal in place, in fact, they would not be able to comment about working with them at all if there were one.Where do you think that comment originated from? Jez the idiot asked them.
Hotly anticipated 'Black Myth: Wukong' is delayed on Xbox Series X|S — and now, Microsoft has responded
Black Myth: Wukong for Xbox Series X|S seems to be a myth of its own, at least for now.
They then ran with it.
It's just a general comment saying they don't comment on those types of questions.
Words are hard. Parsing and comprehension is even harder.
For us nerds being so smart and technically adept, we're just as retarded as any other lemming when it comes to brand worship and what we "want to see."
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So your evidence is a comment made in reply to a diehard xbox fan asking and MS saying they don't comment on these things? Yet you ignore that Sony had exclusivity deals prior, in FF7 Rebirth, and after, in Silent hill, where they explicitly state "console exclusive" and market the game as timed console exclusive but decided they weren't going to do that or any marketing for this particular GOTY candidate for some inexplicable reason? Instead Game science are just going to lie as to why it's not coming to xbox.
OK, carry on with this amazing "no comment" evidence.
ReasonBeing
Member
Will you quit trying to strawman me. Go back and read my initial post. I'm not interested in arguing a position I do not hold. You overstated your claim, I showed you the error, deal with it.
No, it's not a strawman. that is not evidence of anything and in fact stems from the same Jez xbox cult making excuses that I was referring to. He did the same with BG3 fyi
Have a great day. This was all debunked by the devs in much the same way but now they are using the date and the date only.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You people love to accuse Sony of making an exclusivity deal, but NONE of you can ever answer the question:
1. Why didn't Sony market it as such? If you pay for an exclusivity or a marketting deal, you advertise it, take advantage of it. Yet, Sony did no such thing.
Most likely what happened is that being a chinese developed game, Xbox has such poor sales (especially in that part of the world) and given that their audience is conditioned to subscribe to Gamepass that they didn't bother to put much effort into it.
That's most likely scenario.
But you will never convince me that it was an exclusivity deal when Sony put no marketting behind it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
He's gonna have to find a new gig before too much longer. Maybe he will be like Gaz and just make Sony hate posts.
Banjo64
cumsessed
fr tho you'd say the same even about GTA 6 if it missed Xbox day one.
ReasonBeing
Member
Look, I don't have the time nor the desire to explain the nature of evidence and your use of the genetic fallacy in an attempt to dismiss it. I imagine this deluge of deflection is really about you being shown that you overstated your position, and now you feel silly about it.
How about you just go about the rest of your day thinking you're right, and we can leave it at that.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
We are now in the patronizing gaslighting stages.
Just call each other retards over this dumb shit like I did and be done with it. Pretty much dancing around saying the same thing, really.
Retards.
Just call each other retards over this dumb shit like I did and be done with it. Pretty much dancing around saying the same thing, really.
Retards.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I mean people are going to believe what they want to believe and in the endWe are now in the patronizing gaslighting stages.
Just call each other retards over this dumb shit like I did and be done with it. Pretty much dancing around saying the same thing, really.
Retards.
SamuraiEdge
Member
We are now in the patronizing gaslighting stages.
Just call each other retards over this dumb shit like I did and be done with it. Pretty much dancing around saying the same thing, really.
Retards.
I am all for holding hands and dancing together if you prefer X
DeepEnigma
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Buggy Loop
Member
Gaiff
Miyazaki said in interview to not scare off From software fans, after saying that it is not souls like, brand new concept from scratch, that they want to keep the challenge.
Everyone including GameSpot interprets it like me
I appreciate your long response but honestly it's something for another day, I'm too fucking busy to counter argument all day
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nial
Member
Ok, I'll entertain your idea; if Sony made the deal after the Xbox version was announced and consequently made them remove any mentions of that version, why are they suddenly marketing it now before the supposed 12 month exclusivity deal runs out? What's exactly is the difference between mentioning the port 2 months and 12 months before the deal runs out, when both instances are still before the established August 20, 2025 date?I repite. Here we're talking about a situation where the Xbox version was already announced and had a release date... It's unlike any other comparable situation. If this Wukong case is being discussed more and given more room for speculation, it's because it's a strange situation full of oddities. There's nothing logical or common about the Studio's approach.
Then, the exclusivity limitations always come down to the release date, as Sony itself points out in its **. That is, you can't release the game on another platform before a specific date. This doesn't include opening pre-orders or announcing that version shortly before that date.
Obviously, with games that weren't previously announced, it's not in their best interest to mention them until the announcement of said version.
Incidentally, it was curious how the studio made any mention of the Xbox version disappear from the game's advertising and announcements following the announcement of its discontinuation, when the more common thing is to keep that mention with the message "later on Xbox" or "coming soon also to Xbox."
As for bolded, looks like you didn't even read my post, but I'll remind you once again that Microsoft was NOT allowed to announce, LET ALONE accept pre-orders for, the Xbox version of Deathloop until *exactly* a year after the PS5 version LAUNCHED.
Weird hill to die on. I'm sure you will address all my post and not just this one final sentence, though.
You quoted the wrong person?
StreetsofBeige
Member
Confidential deals like this are never publicly displayed.
A lot of the shit you see on Walmart or grocery store shelves are based on one part legit business analysis, and one part fee deals and overarching umbrella deals. The bigger the corporation with more money and products, the bigger the vendor agreement deal. I've seen anti-competitive deals which are supposed to be illegal like "We'll pay you $$$$ if you carry our product and delist all of Competitor X's products". But nobody (or gov) would ever know unless someone spilled the beans telling the world.
Similar to gaming, some stores want 6-12 month exclusive deals too. They commit to order a ton at juicy price in return for getting the product before Walmart gets their hands on it selling a ton at a lower price. It happens.
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Kacho
Member
I'll always remember this Taul Passi. Thank you.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
That's because there was no deal in place.
demigod
Member
Shows how much you know about Asian culture.They just like the date.
Yep, Asians take dates seriously and some religiously.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
All good. We hijacked the thread anyway.
Miyazaki said in interview to not scare off From software fans, after saying that it is not souls like, brand new concept from scratch, that they want to keep the challenge.
Everyone including GameSpot interprets it like me
I appreciate your long response but honestly it's something for another day, I'm too fucking busy to counter argument all day
Astray
Member
Obviously an XponyDecipher that one warriors, Xbot or Pony, which am I in this shitpost?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I mean people are going to believe what they want to believe and in the end
THIS! 1000!
demigod
Member
Even if there was a deal, the bigger question would be. How the fuck did xbox lose marketing deal to sony when it was first shown at an xbox showcase? That would be a colossal failure on their part.
ReasonBeing
Member
"Game Science just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Chinese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in China, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the Chinese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Black Myth for either system, nor will they purchase any of Game Science games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Game Science has alienated an entire market with this move.
Game Science, publicly apologize and cancel Black Myth for Series consoles or you can kiss your business goodbye"
Punished Miku
Gaslighter Pro: 16.7 Fireflops
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I believe Series S sucks outside of a streaming device for Gamepass and it holds back next gen games
Plus I believe Sony helped get the game running on PS5 when help was asked Sony came through and Xbox did not
In turn I also believe there was some sort of handshake under the table
In the end I also don't much care because I game everywhere and played it on PC
Decipher that one warriors, Xbot or Pony, which am I in this shitpost?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
ReasonBeing
Member
And Taxi in English represents a smelly car that transports you from one place to another for payment. So Paul is acting like a smelly car that will transport us to truth...for a fee.
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