Your point was that the character is a blank slate with no agency or voice, exactly like in Wukong. It's no BG3 or Cyberpunk where it's a blank character but they have a voice or agency. Instead of waffling, you could have simply said "character creator" but it would have made your point hollow, which it was.« So like in Wukong«
Stopped reading there. How the fuck I explain a UNIQUE made custom character you build with no personal story, no voices, blank state « puppet » like soulslike games do to a character to one that is entirely defined by a story and EVERYONE has the same character like Wukong?
Why the fuck should I care about him? What decision has he made regarding the game mechanics? What weight does he have on the design? None, so I don't give a shit about what he has to say.random YouTuber lol
He's one of the most streamed Sekiro player. Not knowing fightingcowbow says it all really how much you know the subject.
Yeah, I gave you a bunch of interviews detailing Miyazaki's design vision and used his own words on how he approaches the games, I then linked that to the mechanics of Wukong to show the similarities while all you had was a fucking youtuber lmao.Tired of this shit. You can repeat it's soulslike 100 times, the more hardcore forums or subreddits on from or souls or Sekiro will also say the same as me. Don't even bother replying, wasting my time.
No it isn't a pure action game. Stop with this shit. Ninja Gaiden and Bayonetta are pure action games. This is an action RPG where shit like stats, gear, and character build make a huge difference and you can trivialize the game. NG is just git gud. You can't fraud your way unless you choose easier modes.This is NOT a SOULS GAME, it has NOTHING that defines a SOULS GAME. It's a pure action game, hard one, but still an action game.
Yes.Does this game have bosses with multiple phases and once you die you do it all over again? I can't stand that shit, lol.
What are you even talking about? Marketing deals don't stop you from mentioning or even selling a different version of the game, but exclusivity deals do. You are NOT allowed to mention different ports until the deal runs out, which means that they wouldn't be allowed to announce the port until August 20th.Because it wasn't a marketing deal, just a one year exclusivity deal. They couldn't keep up the lie that it was because of Series S issues if they announced the clearly suspicious one year to the day delayed launch without it being obviously bullshit. If they announced this date months ago the. Obviously they solved the issue and why not just release it asap? It'd be too obvious there was a delay deal.
So whatever deal they had with Sony didn't preclude them from talking about Xbox or revealing a release date, it was simply a one year delay.
I think at this point there's more evidence to assume there was a delay deal as opposed to the contrary.
You are not allowed the market it before the deal runs out, read my response above.?? The exclusivity is limited to the Game launch, not to announcements or pre-orders. Besides, the game was already announced on Xbox.
Every deal can be negotiated to have their own terms. Not all exclusivity deals are the same.What are you even talking about? Marketing deals don't stop you from mentioning or even selling a different version of the game, but exclusivity deals do. You are NOT allowed to mention different ports until the deal runs out, which means that they wouldn't be allowed to announce the port until August 20th.
You know what's the best example of this? Deathloop, Microsoft wasn't allowed the announce the Xbox version of its own game until exactly one year after the PS5 version was released.
You are not allowed the market it before the deal runs out, read my response above.
As far as we know, every exclusivity deal has been exactly like this.Every deal can be negotiated to have their own terms. Not all exclusivity deals are the same.
Your point was that the character is a blank slate with no agency or voice, exactly like in Wukong.
It's no BG3 or Cyberpunk where it's a blank character but they have a voice or agency. Instead of waffling, you could have simply said "character creator" but it would have made your point hollow, which it was.
Why the fuck should I care about him? What decision has he made regarding the game mechanics? What weight does he have on the design? None, so I don't give a shit about what he has to say.
Yeah, I gave you a bunch of interviews detailing Miyazaki's design vision and used his own words on how he approaches
"Sekiro was not designed as an evolution of Soulsborne, of the Souls series," series creator and Sekiro director Hidetaka Miyazaki told GameSpot. "It was designed from the ground up, from scratch, as an entirely new concept, as a new game. So we don't know if you'd call this an evolution of the series in this sense."
Not sure, but this may help.
Literally a mechanic that was in games since the dawn of gaming. Long before Souls as well. Long before the mid 2000's boom of making games to "appeal to everyone."
yeah its all a giant conspiracy against xbox series, a console that already died two years ago.Every deal can be negotiated to have their own terms. Not all exclusivity deals are the same.
I repite. Here we're talking about a situation where the Xbox version was already announced and had a release date... It's unlike any other comparable situation. If this Wukong case is being discussed more and given more room for speculation, it's because it's a strange situation full of oddities. There's nothing logical or common about the Studio's approach.You are not allowed the market it before the deal runs out, read my response above.
Not true. MS comments, regarding how they cannot comment on the deals made by its partners with other platform holders, was the origin of this speculation. The idea that Xbox fans just made this up whole cloth is a misrepresentation of the situation and you know this.What they're doing is stupid. They are using ONLY the date as evidence of a deal while we know the significance of the date has nothing to do with the other.
Where do you think that comment originated from? Jez the idiot asked them.Not true. MS comments, regarding how they cannot comment on the deals made by its partners with other platform holders, was the origin of this speculation. The idea that Xbox fans just made this up whole cloth is a misrepresentation of the situation and you know this.
Where do you think that comment originated from? Jez the idiot asked them.
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Hotly anticipated 'Black Myth: Wukong' is delayed on Xbox Series X|S — and now, Microsoft has responded
Black Myth: Wukong for Xbox Series X|S seems to be a myth of its own, at least for now.www.windowscentral.com
They then ran with it.
I never made the argument. You did lol. Besides, Soulslike means a collection of mechanics inspired by Souls games. A game doesn't have to have all of them, just most of them.Silent protagonists, what are those?
Zelda is probably soulslike then
The story of Dark Souls is about the Chosen Undead (aka you) going on a pilgrimage to link the flames. The story of Wukong is about the Destined One (aka you) going on a quest to retrieve the relics of the Great Sage. Wukong appears once in the whole damn game in the prologue and only has a handful of lines of dialogue. If the Destined One was a protagonist a la Geralt of Rivia, sure, this would change the game, but he's effectively a blank slate like the protags in Souls games. This argument does not work.The story is around him, including Wukong who is voiced and destined one gets lines in Wukong stance. The point is that EVERYONE experiences the same core story and same core mechanics.
Yeah, no. Here is what he says:Let's see what Miyazaki thinks of Sekiro
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Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice Is Not Part Of Soulsborne Series, From Software Says
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice may look a little like Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and more From Software titles, but the developer says the game is entirely separate.www.gamespot.com
Not even a soulsborne to Miyazaki![]()
This isn't relevant. The game doesn't have to be a Souls clone like Lords of the Fallen. It could have Ninja Gaiden-esque combo system and still be a Soulslike.Again, there's not even remotely the same depth of attacks with a single weapon in soulslike that stances +skills have in Wukong with the advanced combos.
That's the RPG part. Wukong is halfway between RPG and pure action game.Someone playing Elden ring with a mage that has the kamehameha spell is completely different experience than one that is knuckle build.
For Sekiro more than Wukong. Someone running a sign build in Wukong will play it vastly different from someone running a Spellbinder build.Sekiro, like Wukong, everyone experiences the same core way to play the game. Variations add depth to certain stances or play styles, but they never become night and day difference between two players.
So like I said, the launch date is not the ONLY evidence.Where do you think that comment originated from? Jez the idiot asked them.
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Hotly anticipated 'Black Myth: Wukong' is delayed on Xbox Series X|S — and now, Microsoft has responded
Black Myth: Wukong for Xbox Series X|S seems to be a myth of its own, at least for now.www.windowscentral.com
They then ran with it.
The MS comment does not even confirm there is a deal in place, in fact, they would not be able to comment about working with them at all if there were one.Where do you think that comment originated from? Jez the idiot asked them.
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Hotly anticipated 'Black Myth: Wukong' is delayed on Xbox Series X|S — and now, Microsoft has responded
Black Myth: Wukong for Xbox Series X|S seems to be a myth of its own, at least for now.www.windowscentral.com
They then ran with it.
So your evidence is a comment made in reply to a diehard xbox fan asking and MS saying they don't comment on these things? Yet you ignore that Sony had exclusivity deals prior, in FF7 Rebirth, and after, in Silent hill, where they explicitly state "console exclusive" and market the game as timed console exclusive but decided they weren't going to do that or any marketing for this particular GOTY candidate for some inexplicable reason? Instead Game science are just going to lie as to why it's not coming to xbox.So like I said, the launch date is not the ONLY evidence.
Will you quit trying to strawman me. Go back and read my initial post. I'm not interested in arguing a position I do not hold. You overstated your claim, I showed you the error, deal with it.So your evidence is a comment made in reply to a diehard xbox fan asking and MS saying they don't comment on these things? Yet you ignore that Sony had exclusivity deals prior, in FF7 Rebirth, and after, in Silent hill, where they explicitly state "console exclusive" and market the game as timed console exclusive but decided they weren't going to do that or any marketing for this particular GOTY candidate for some inexplicable reason? Instead Game science are just going to lie as to why it's not coming to xbox.
OK, carry on with this amazing "no comment" evidence.
No, it's not a strawman. that is not evidence of anything and in fact stems from the same Jez xbox cult making excuses that I was referring to. He did the same with BG3 fyiWill you quit trying to strawman me. Go back and read my initial post. I'm not interested in arguing a position I do not hold. You overstated your claim, I showed you the error, deal with it.
You people love to accuse Sony of making an exclusivity deal, but NONE of you can ever answer the question:As far as we know, every exclusivity deal has been exactly like this.
And you people accuse others of doing mental gymnastics, lmao.
No, it's not a strawman. that is not evidence of anything and in fact stems from the same Jez xbox cult making excuses that I was referring to. He did the same with BG3 fyi
Have a great day. This was all debunked by the devs in much the same way but now they are using the date and the date only.
He's gonna have to find a new gig before too much longer. Maybe he will be like Gaz and just make Sony hate posts.Jezza just wanted the hits and attention. Man needs to make money to eat and get his KFC Famiy size buckets he eats to himself. It all adds up.
fr tho you'd say the same even about GTA 6 if it missed Xbox day one.Ehhh, kinda lost interest after finding out it's a souls like and not a character action game.
Also, a year of exclusivity. Launching as soon as the year is over.
#slimyplatformthings
No, it's not a strawman. that is not evidence of anything and in fact stems from the same Jez xbox cult making excuses that I was referring to. He did the same with BG3 fyi
Have a great day. This was all debunked by the devs in much the same way but now they are using the date and the date only.
I mean people are going to believe what they want to believe and in the endWe are now in the patronizing gaslighting stages.
Just call each other retards over this dumb shit like I did and be done with it. Pretty much dancing around saying the same thing, really.
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We are now in the patronizing gaslighting stages.
Just call each other retards over this dumb shit like I did and be done with it. Pretty much dancing around saying the same thing, really.
Retards.![]()
I am all for holding hands and dancing together if you prefer X
Ok, I'll entertain your idea; if Sony made the deal after the Xbox version was announced and consequently made them remove any mentions of that version, why are they suddenly marketing it now before the supposed 12 month exclusivity deal runs out? What's exactly is the difference between mentioning the port 2 months and 12 months before the deal runs out, when both instances are still before the established August 20, 2025 date?I repite. Here we're talking about a situation where the Xbox version was already announced and had a release date... It's unlike any other comparable situation. If this Wukong case is being discussed more and given more room for speculation, it's because it's a strange situation full of oddities. There's nothing logical or common about the Studio's approach.
Then, the exclusivity limitations always come down to the release date, as Sony itself points out in its **. That is, you can't release the game on another platform before a specific date. This doesn't include opening pre-orders or announcing that version shortly before that date.
Obviously, with games that weren't previously announced, it's not in their best interest to mention them until the announcement of said version.
Incidentally, it was curious how the studio made any mention of the Xbox version disappear from the game's advertising and announcements following the announcement of its discontinuation, when the more common thing is to keep that mention with the message "later on Xbox" or "coming soon also to Xbox."![]()
You quoted the wrong person?You people love to accuse Sony of making an exclusivity deal, but NONE of you can ever answer the question:
1. Why didn't Sony market it as such? If you pay for an exclusivity or a marketting deal, you advertise it, take advantage of it. Yet, Sony did no such thing.
Most likely what happened is that being a chinese developed game, Xbox has such poor sales (especially in that part of the world) and given that their audience is conditioned to subscribe to Gamepass that they didn't bother to put much effort into it.
That's most likely scenario.
But you will never convince me that it was an exclusivity deal when Sony put no marketting behind it.
I dont think it was a silly deal, the game had been getting a lot of hype online over the years (mostly about its graphics).
What i dont get is the secrecy behind this deal. I mean its noit like both Sony and MS havent done these kind of deals many times over the years.
Shows how much you know about Asian culture.They just like the date.
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August 20 (the 17th day of the 7th Chinese lunar month) is believed as the birth date of Qitian Dasheng (Monkey King)
Now chill out you tin foil hat mofos.
Yep, Asians take dates seriously and some religiously.Yeah, and in Asia they certainly take symbolism of dates seriously.
I don't really get the point of argument, though, if they did have exclusivity deal (that would have come with contracted amount of advertizing) they'd have every right to.
All good. We hijacked the thread anyway.Gaiff
Miyazaki said in interview to not scare off From software fans, after saying that it is not souls like, brand new concept from scratch, that they want to keep the challenge.
Everyone including GameSpot interprets it like me
I appreciate your long response but honestly it's something for another day, I'm too fucking busy to counter argument all day
Obviously an XponyDecipher that one warriors, Xbot or Pony, which am I in this shitpost?
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I mean people are going to believe what they want to believe and in the end
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Even if there was a deal, the bigger question would be. How the fuck did xbox lose marketing deal to sony when it was first shown at an xbox showcase? That would be a colossal failure on their part.The problem with that is there is absolutely no evidence of the first. In fact there is evidence of it not being a deal.There was no marketing, no announcement of timed exclusivity, no barring of any mention of other versions or preorders. Every other exclusivity deal has had this. The dev even came out and clarified that the reason it isn't releasing on xbox is because of the Series S.
What they're doing is stupid. They are using ONLY the date as evidence of a deal while we know the significance of the date has nothing to do with the other. The only reason being to defend the Series S's and the cults honour.
"Game Science just shot themselves in the foot.Shows how much you know about Asian culture.
Yep, Asians take dates seriously and some religiously.
I believe Series S sucks outside of a streaming device for Gamepass and it holds back next gen games
Plus I believe Sony helped get the game running on PS5 when help was asked Sony came through and Xbox did not
In turn I also believe there was some sort of handshake under the table
In the end I also don't much care because I game everywhere and played it on PC
Decipher that one warriors, Xbot or Pony, which am I in this shitpost?
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Even if there was a deal, the bigger question would be. How the fuck did xbox lose marketing deal to sony when it was first shown at an xbox showcase? That would be a colossal failure on their part.
And Taxi in English represents a smelly car that transports you from one place to another for payment. So Paul is acting like a smelly car that will transport us to truth...for a fee.Tassi in Italian means Taxi, and Paul represents the spirit of truth through word. Paul is acting as a vessel to transport us to the truth.