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[poppabk]

It really isn't when it's just straight up absolute fact.

At native 4K, with no reconstruction algorithms working in the BG or a hardware based AI upscaler, Wukong does indeed run only at 29 fps.

Be it memory leak, or just unoptimized shitcode, it is undeniable objective truth.

"Why it matters: The frame rate difference when toggling DLSS 4 shows that the RTX 5090 will need Multi Frame Generation to outperform the 4090."

This is bullshit though. The 5090 does outperform the 4090 by about 40% when both are running with DLSS off.

 

[ChoosableOne]

The devolper said themselves they are new and optimization is something they are still learning.

They couldn't say "How did you release a next gen console with 10GB RAM?" so they gave that answer.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Nvidia knows the future (present?) is AI. If graphics performance can be bettered using AI, they will try going that way because it benefits their main goal, even if they could do the same with a 100% graphics solution (like CUDAs). Eventually they will just focus in AI fully, since it's literally virgin terrain.

 

[john2gr]

You must be an IDIOT to expect to be playing at Native 4K with Ray Tracing on the RTX 5090. Now, imagine HOW STUPID you have to be to expect 60FPS at Native 4K WITH PATH TRACING.

As for the article, it's the definition of a garbage clickbait article. The RTX5090 is already faster than the RTX 4090, so you don't need DLSS 4 to "outperform" it.

 

[Balducci30]

I don’t get it - so that’s apparently a higher fps than 4090 in the same area even without dlss? What’s the point of this then

 

[Knightime_X]

Can we get Devs to work smarter too so we don't need bullshit frames to be able to play?

That's what graphical settings are for.
In a lot of games, settings like shadow resolution look damn near identical from ultra to even medium, in some cases requiring half the cost.
So why set to ultra when it barely looks any better (if at all) than something lower?
If you insist on gaming in ONLY 4k, make use of the scalers. Many games offer lots of tools to improve performance.

You can only optimize so much before you must come to terms that your hardware is just too weak.
Just because a high-end graphics card came out today doesn't mean it will be able to handle a game that also came out today.
The ratio is changing.
Back then, you could buy a new card, and it'll play games on ultra for years later.
But those games also can't remotely compare to the technology of what games have today.

Most modern games have graphics that look like CGI cutscenes, and those cutscenes were made in render farms in the old days.
It's a bit unreasonable to expect 1 card to do all of that in real time.
The computational requirements for today's graphics are starting to magnify. Not increase, MAGNIFY.

 

[Windom Earle]

The clickbait in this OP would make Kotaku proud.

 

[ReBurn]

Alternate headline: "RTX 5090 provides stunning cinematic experience at 4K for Black Myth Wukong"

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Its a 2000 dollar product, dummy. I know your dad pays for everything but you understand how much 2000 dollars is worth, right?

Basically one year of McDonald's?

 

[OverHeat]

Cool! some OoT performance levels, classic

Never give up!

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Nonsense!

My 4090 with cinematic settings at native 4k ie dlaa it gives 23fps on the first levels.

Maybe on the menu you get 40 to 50 but not anywhere else I've seen.

I've finished it on performance ie 1080p to 4k dlss in cinematic and I got over 60fps that way, it felt like 30fps though but I got somewhat used to it, I think I tried ultra performance too on bosses as it gave much more fps.

It was discussed already.
Maybe pay attention?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

It's a hard game to run. I'm not sure how to interpret the armchair drive by insults at this games RT implementation.

How many who are laughing own even a 4090? Not me.

 

[SweetTooth]

Never give up!

 

[bundylove]

When you strip away all the crutches and any additiinal help and run things raw , your investment is a joke and has no real life value.

You can have 3 chicks on your bed but without any help of pills enhancers your dick will be limp after the first load.

Pc gaming is a scam. 2000 plus dollar cards are a scam.
And to change them every 2 years....i bet you they resel you the same shit in different package for years before you actually see a significant jump .

Nvidia is the new apple when it comes to bullshit you .

 

[Kings Field]

Muh master race

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Its a 2000 dollar product, dummy. I know your dad pays for everything but you understand how much 2000 dollars is worth, right?

Depends on who you ask

Ask the father of 3 making the US average of around $65k a year how much $2000 is and I bet he tells you its a lot and likely not affordable

 

[Draugoth]

People will be byuing RTX 5090 for the Extra VRAM and 77% extra bandwith performance, it's only a 29% increase compared to the 4090

 

[OverHeat]

 

[Bojji]

When you strip away all the crutches and any additiinal help and run things raw , your investment is a joke and has no real life value.

You can have 3 chicks on your bed but without any help of pills enhancers your dick will be limp after the first load.

Pc gaming is a scam. 2000 plus dollar cards are a scam.
And to change them every 2 years....i bet you they resel you the same shit in different package for years before you actually see a significant jump .

Nvidia is the new apple when it comes to bullshit you .

Who needs to change GPUs every two years?

People with 3080ti/3080 12GB/3090 (2020-22) are still perfectly able to use their GPUs for newest games and still have much higher performance than PS5 Pro. Hell, even 2080ti from 2018 is still not bad.

 

[The Cockatrice]

When you strip away all the crutches and any additiinal help and run things raw , your investment is a joke and has no real life value.

You can have 3 chicks on your bed but without any help of pills enhancers your dick will be limp after the first load.

Pc gaming is a scam. 2000 plus dollar cards are a scam.
And to change them every 2 years....i bet you they resel you the same shit in different package for years before you actually see a significant jump .

Nvidia is the new apple when it comes to bullshit you .

That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. Only a very small minority will buy a new gpu every 2 years, people who can afford to waste money. Everyone else will get one at every 5 years or so and the rest of their pc parts every 6+ years which is pretty much the same length as each console upgrade from base to pro to new gen. The same people who buy a gpu every 2 years would buy a new console if it released with an upgrade every 2 year as well. Logic is hard to find on these forums these days.

 

[Gaiff]

When you strip away all the crutches and any additiinal help and run things raw , your investment is a joke and has no real life value.

That would make you an idiot. And what do you mean "real life value"? We're talking about video games.

Pc gaming is a scam. 2000 plus dollar cards are a scam.

Because other cards don't exist? There's only the $2000 model on the market?

And to change them every 2 years....i bet you they resel you the same shit in different package for years before you actually see a significant jump .

Why change them every 2 years? I change mine every 4 years.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Sounds like a driver update is needed. There’s no way a 5090 won’t be able to run it at 4K 60fps.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Who needs to change GPUs every two years?

People with 3080ti/3080 12GB/3090 (2020-22) are still perfectly able to use their GPUs for newest games and still have much higher performance than PS5 Pro. Hell, even 2080ti from 2018 is still not bad.

A lot of things in life aren't needed as this falls into wants categories

I 100% buy a new GPU every new generation

Do I need it? Of course not

Do I want it?

Yes, yes I do

 

[Bojji]

Sounds like a driver update is needed. There’s no way a 5090 won’t be able to run it at 4K 60fps.

There is no way it will. 4k native with PT requires insane amount of power.

A lot of things in life aren't needed as this falls into wants categories

I 100% buy a new GPU every new generation

Do I need it? Of course not

Do I want it?

Yes, yes I do

Pretty much. There is no NEED to upgrade but some people just want to have the best hardware possible.

In recent years I changed GPUs every year or something. Sell old one and buy new one, sometimes adding like ~15-20% money for better GPU. But I'm usually around xx70/xx80 class of GPUs and most of the time used (my current 4070ti super is new and I plan to use it for next ~2 years). But I'm not typical PC user, lol.

 

[bender]

A lot of things in life aren't needed as this falls into wants categories

I 100% buy a new GPU every new generation

Do I need it? Of course not

Do I want it?

Yes, yes I do

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

No need, its a choice I make on a few of my possessions

 

[OverHeat]

A lot of things in life aren't needed as this falls into wants categories

I 100% buy a new GPU every new generation

Do I need it? Of course not

Do I want it?

Yes, yes I do

You don’t have to justify that you just want the best

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

People will be byuing RTX 5090 for the Extra VRAM and 77% extra bandwith performance, it's only a 29% increase compared to the 4090

I'll make my money back selling AI hentai on patreon

 

[Soapbox Killer]

But somehow this is the Series S fault for being weak.

 

[ProtoByte]

Engineers realize that it's far more important for cards to work smarter, not harder.

That's completely fine, but if the devs get lazier and worse at their jobs in optimization, it doesn't work.

 

[Gaiff]

I'd like to see its performance at 8K without ray tracing. It probably blows everything out of the water at that res, but it's kind of useless.

 

[Skifi28]

But somehow this is the Series S fault for being weak.

This is with PT which the series S obviously would never have. Its problem is not being weak, but not having enough memory.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

This is with PT which the series S obviously would never have. Its problem is not being weak, but not having enough memory.

I know I joke but it is a very poorly optimized game nonetheless.

 

[poppabk]

I'd like to see its performance at 8K without ray tracing. It probably blows everything out of the water at that res, but it's kind of useless.

It blows everything out of the water at 4K pathtracing native, it's just that 'blowing out of the water' at those settings is 29FPS.

 

[SmokedMeat]

A lot of things in life aren't needed as this falls into wants categories

I 100% buy a new GPU every new generation

Do I need it? Of course not

Do I want it?

Yes, yes I do

Same. My feeling is my GPU is worth more on the secondhand market if I sell it when the new gen arrives versus waiting until it’s 2-3 generations old. It’s not like GPU prices drop the longer you wait.

 

[SmokedMeat]

There is no way it will. 4k native with PT requires insane amount of power.

Ah I didn’t realize it had path tracing. Yeah, that takes some serious power.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

You don’t have to justify that you just want the best

I guess it just blows my mind how many people care about what others spend their money on

Those who come in and say something like "Its not for me" type of thing I respect

Those who somehow try to shame others by spending the money come off as very Jr High, last kid picked in gym sitting in their moms basement crying type of juveniles

I don't get kid's brains today and yeah even if you're 30 you are a kid to me

 

[Skifi28]

I know I joke but it is a very poorly optimized game nonetheless.

Trying a game with absolutely everything maxed out is generally not a good way to determine optimization. The Witcher 2 back then had a setting that would absolutely tank performance on any GPU of the time. Was it unoptimised? No, you just had to turn that particular setting off.

I guess it just blows my mind how many people care about what others spend their money on

Those who come in and say something like "Its not for me" type of thing I respect

Those who somehow try to shame others by spending the money come off as very Jr High, last kid picked in gym sitting in their moms basement crying type of juveniles

I don't get kid's brains today and yeah even if you're 30 you are a kid to me

I'm a kid too, adopt me please? I'll also take that rusty old 4090 off your hands, thanks!

 

[OverHeat]

I guess it just blows my mind how many people care about what others spend their money on

Those who come in and say something like "Its not for me" type of thing I respect

Those who somehow try to shame others by spending the money come off as very Jr High, last kid picked in gym sitting in their moms basement crying type of juveniles

I don't get kid's brains today and yeah even if you're 30 you are a kid to me

Exactly we are an enthousiastes forum! We have the right to be excited about new gaming products

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Trying a game with absolutely everything maxed out is generally not a good way to determine optimization. The Witcher 2 back then had a setting that would absolutely tank performance on any GPU of the time. Was it unoptimised? No, you just had to turn that particular setting off.


I'm a kid too, adopt me please? I'll also take that rusty old 4090 off your hands, thanks!

My 4090 died a couple of months ago and main reason I am getting a 5090

Luckily my 4090 that died was a Corsair prebuilt from Best Buy that had a few months left on its 2 year warranty and since they don't carry that PC anymore they refunded the full amount

 

[rofif]

I guess it just blows my mind how many people care about what others spend their money on

Those who come in and say something like "Its not for me" type of thing I respect

Those who somehow try to shame others by spending the money come off as very Jr High, last kid picked in gym sitting in their moms basement crying type of juveniles

I don't get kid's brains today and yeah even if you're 30 you are a kid to me

People get excited by different things in different ways.
This is just a graphics card that's very very expensive and generally people don't have money for it so that dampers the enthusiasm a bit.

As for me, this doesn't introduce dlss or ray tracing or doubles the performance of previous gen. It's not that exciting to be honest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But things on pc stopped being exciting for me years ago and I am satisfied with console. ps5 pro was worth it for me in the same way 5090 is worth it for you.
You can find it exciting and I am not here to stop you. I would only hope that all enthusiasts are not so blind at spending money just for sake of nvidia doing whatever they want.
Price point is fine. In fact if it was a bit more expensive (same for ps5 pro), it would be clearly out of reach for people to complain about.

 

[rofif]

Oh forgot to say one thing

Spoiler: so I was saying

 

[Puscifer]

That makes no sense because the 4080 super is already 5% faster than the 4080.

In what dimension? It's so close to the 4080 that it's wins could be margin of error, you could even just increase the power limit of a 4080 and beat it

 

[AFBT88]

In the end 5000 series will be remembered as a very underwhelming series. I'm 99% sure the MFG BS they're trying to hype up is very very very doable on 4000 and 3000 series. Man i wish AMD was be a better alternative, Nvidia has no shame and i have no choice but to buy their cards.

 

[Gaiff]

It blows everything out of the water at 4K pathtracing native, it's just that 'blowing out of the water' at those settings is 29FPS.

To me, that's 50% or more.

HeisenbergFX4 OverHeat Don't suppose you guys have an 8K set?

 

[OverHeat]

To me, that's 50% or more.

HeisenbergFX4 OverHeat Don't suppose you guys have an 8K set?

Not yet but it’s coming in the living room next year. Still satisfied with my LG CX for now

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

To me, that's 50% or more.

HeisenbergFX4 OverHeat Don't suppose you guys have an 8K set?

I do not

I will be hooking the 5090 up to a 4k 240hz OLED display though

 

[OverHeat]

I do not

I will be hooking the 5090 up to a 4k 240hz OLED display though

Same!

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Same!

I really want to know the pricing on the LG 45" 5k2k ultrawide OLED monitor they have been showing off at CES

 

[Thebonehead]

I don't get kid's brains today and yeah even if you're 30 you are a kid to me