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Black Myth: Wukong Only Hits 29 FPS On RTX 5090 At 4K Without DLSS 4

Yup - this is the reason I got the 4070 Ti Super instead of the 5070. 20-25% better performance for double the price (in Greece) seemed ludicrous to me when I read the spec leaks. Of course, that 20% is WITHOUT the DLSS 4, which the spec leaks never mentioned.

It is obvious that Nvidia is making the A.I. tech do the heavy lifting in the performance department. Which honestly I don't really mind, considering that every single AAA game under the sun now is using the tech.
That's weird in the US the 4070 at launch was $600, it's now $550 and the 4070 Super is $600, the 4070ti was $800 and the 4070ti super is $800. Meanwhile the 5070 is launching for $550 and the 5070TI is $750.the

So the new cards are cheaper than the 40 series and the 40 series Super cards.
 
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Worst yet, is that the 5080 is supposedly only 5% faster than the 4080.
No wonder Nvidia is pushing the Frame Generation to 4X to pad their performance numbers, when this generation seems to be such a small uptick.
That makes no sense because the 4080 super is already 5% faster than the 4080.
 

PeteBull

Member
If 5090 gets 30 to 40% jump in performance in raw raster vs 4090 that is incentive enough for this bis gpu to fly of the shelves at 3k usd for many months, u wont find that card at msrp in the real world 4sure.
Bear in mind currently about to be replaced "old" rtx 4090 is 2500 usd even for base cheapest models with subpar cooling...


Even fucking msi gaming x slim model is 2544usd cheapest atm, and believe me, when u buying chunker card like 4090 with its 450W tdp, u dont want anything to be "slim" there, u want card to be cool and quiet(relatively ofc) under full or close to full load, u are by definision a
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Worst yet, is that the 5080 is supposedly only 5% faster than the 4080.
No wonder Nvidia is pushing the Frame Generation to 4X to pad their performance numbers, when this generation seems to be such a small uptick.
Where are you getting that number from? NVIDIA’s chart show it being 30% faster in FC6 and the guys who tested it in Cyberpunk got 18% or so. I’ve never seen 5% beyond looking at specs sheets and speculating there would be no improvements.
 

nemiroff

Gold Member
:messenger_tears_of_joy:

If we follow that reasoning and only use the pre-release drivers at max res and max settings from a single specific game, and use the resulting low framerate to compare GPUs, excluding percentage metrics (and all context and nuance), it appears also the 4090 and all prior GPUs would be rendered obsolete (including any processing hardware, like CPUs and consoles).

Season 3 Nbc GIF by The Office
 
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KaiserBecks

Member
It really isn't when it's just straight up absolute fact.

At native 4K, with no reconstruction algorithms working in the BG or a hardware based AI upscaler, Wukong does indeed run only at 29 fps.

Be it memory leak, or just unoptimized shitcode, it is undeniable objective truth.

It’s also a fact that pathtracing is enabled. 4K and missing DLSS is not the deciding factor here.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
It really isn't when it's just straight up absolute fact.

At native 4K, with no reconstruction algorithms working in the BG or a hardware based AI upscaler, Wukong does indeed run only at 29 fps.

Be it memory leak, or just unoptimized shitcode, it is undeniable objective truth.
is that in chapter 1? because chapter 2 is way more demanding
 

Knightime_X

Member
Can we get Devs to work smarter too so we don't need bullshit frames to be able to play?
TBF, they were smart enough to offer graphical options.
4k is always going to be a terrible decision, it's too expensive even on high-end cards.
Optimized or otherwise.
Game is optimized for medium settings.
 

Nickolaidas

Member
That's weird in the US the 4070 at launch was $600, it's now $550 and the 4070 Super is $600, the 4070ti was $800 and the 4070ti super is $800. Meanwhile the 5070 is launching for $550 and the 5070TI is $750.the

So the new cards are cheaper than the 40 series and the 40 series Super cards.
I bought my 4070 Ti Super about 2 months ago for basically 1.100K euro in Greece, which was more or less the average price in the market for non-used cards.
If 5090 gets 30 to 40% jump in performance in raw raster vs 4090 that is incentive enough for this bis gpu to fly of the shelves at 3k usd for many months, u wont find that card at msrp in the real world 4sure.
With my income, giving 3K every two years for a GPU is WAY too much money. I could never have my PC have the most powerful GPU every two years.
 

clarky

Gold Member
I bought my 4070 Ti Super about 2 months ago for basically 1.100K euro in Greece, which was more or less the average price in the market for non-used cards.

With my income, giving 3K every two years for a GPU is WAY too much money. I could never have my PC have the most powerful GPU every two years.
You don't throw your old GPU in the trash. Its more like $600-$800, if that, depending on how much you get for your last one.

The 4070ti super currently goes for around £700 used on ebay so in theory you could upgrade to the 5080 here in the UK for just short of 300 notes. Obviously your case is a bit different as you only just got the card and you probably want more use out of it.
 
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You know, in the old days a game like WuKong would be legendary for being built to be futureproof and be used as proof that your new gaming PC is truly Elite.

All the talk about "bad optimization" is just blaming the victim. Your hardware is crap.

You know what game this reminds me of? "Crysis".
There was a time when "can it run Crysis in max settings" was a meme. No one complained that the devs made a game that has max settings that was physically beyond the capability of the hardware available. That is not an optimization problem, that is just because the game needed a more powerful hardware.

We are so used to everything being cross-gen that new gamers are now thinking it is strange that their console might struggle with something that was ambitious and cutting edge.
 

DirtInUrEye

Member
The belief preservation and gymnastic rationalisation of those mad absolutists who are reasoning this out like its fine is pretty amusing. A fresh 2K+ spend for an extra 8fps in Wukon is daftness reserved for the most flush and silly with money.

"Wukon is poorly optimised and has full PT, what do you expect?"

As if that's going to be the only fully path traced game over the next few years, and with performance problems. More and more are on their way, but at least you'll get another half a dozen frames or so with your mega new card. A justified upgrade!!😅
 
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Derp

Member
Raster gain performance from node shrinkage is disappearing, so the new gains are in the AI / ML space which is where the investment has gone.

Wukong is a UE5 unoptimised mess so not the most ideal thing to demonstrate improvement gains.

There will be drivers to come, plus patching of UE to support the new performance features etc

I still believe 20% average which I'll be fine with.
There was no node shrinkage. It's built on 4NP. Still the same 5nm TSMC process as the 4000 series (4N).
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
You know, in the old days a game like WuKong would be legendary for being built to be futureproof and be used as proof that your new gaming PC is truly Elite.

All the talk about "bad optimization" is just blaming the victim. Your hardware is crap.

You know what game this reminds me of? "Crysis".
There was a time when "can it run Crysis in max settings" was a meme. No one complained that the devs made a game that has max settings that was physically beyond the capability of the hardware available. That is not an optimization problem, that is just because the game needed a more powerful hardware.

We are so used to everything being cross-gen that new gamers are now thinking it is strange that their console might struggle with something that was ambitious and cutting edge.
If the game didn’t have 30 seconds load times, a copious amount of traversal stutters, and the RT effects could be toggled separated instead of all of them turning on or off at once, I would maybe see your point.

That’s to say nothing of them toggling on frame generation at 30-40fps in an action game, and initially capping the frame rate at 45 on PS5.

Sorry, but BMW reeks of technical incompetence.
 
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TrebleShot

Member
Well this is quite something for 2025 I never thought I'd see pc nerds arguing that 30fps or below is acceptable.

"Path Tracing - what do you expect"

I expect to hold the same standards console peasants have been beaten over the head with for decades.

Especially for £2000 and 575watts.

Beggars belief.
 

PeteBull

Member
I bought my 4070 Ti Super about 2 months ago for basically 1.100K euro in Greece, which was more or less the average price in the market for non-used cards.

With my income, giving 3K every two years for a GPU is WAY too much money. I could never have my PC have the most powerful GPU every two years.
Bro, being pc enthusiast and staying at the very bleeding edge of the tech is called that for a reason, u literally have to bleed money to be able to do it.
On a positive note if u get 5090 now u get access to more power in early 2025 than ps6 gonna have on holidays 2028 launch, something gotta give here for such a priviledge :)
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Well this is quite something for 2025 I never thought I'd see pc nerds arguing that 30fps or below is acceptable.

"Path Tracing - what do you expect"

I expect to hold the same standards console peasants have been beaten over the head with for decades.

Especially for £2000 and 575watts.

Beggars belief.
it's not 30fps though.
Nobody would play path tracing game at native 4k.
DLSS2 alone would double the fps probably in balanced or performance mode... the then FG bs which I am not fully on board with.

That said - 5080 is only 15-20% faster than 4080 reportedly in cyberpunk 2077 without using framegen. But at least the card is a tiny bit cheaper than 4080....
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The belief preservation and gymnastic rationalisation of those mad absolutists who are reasoning this out like its fine is pretty amusing. A fresh 2K+ spend for an extra 8fps in Wukon is daftness reserved for the most flush and silly with money.

"Wukon is poorly optimised and has full PT, what do you expect?"

As if that's going to be the only fully path traced game over the next few years, and with performance problems. More and more are on their way, but at least you'll get another half a dozen frames or so with your mega new card. A justified upgrade!!😅
Should be $1000, not $2000, but that money to pay for Jensen’s jackets doesn’t come out of nowhere.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
If the game didn’t have 30 seconds load times, a copious amount of traversal stutters, and the RT effects could be toggled separated instead of all of them turning on or off at once, I would maybe see your point.

That’s to say nothing of them toggling on frame generation at 30-40fps in an action game, and initially capping the frame rate at 45 on PS5.

Sorry, but BMW reeks of technical incompetence.
I am playing it on PRO right now. Chapter 4.
0 stutters of any kind.
Load times are 15-20 seconds usually so one of worst this gen.
But performance is solid 40, pssr, finally no fsr2 artifacts of any kind.

But original release doing 45 fps cap on balanced mode?! what the fuck were they thinking. I mean, I've not tried that release on ps5, so maybe it felt better than it sounds but it sounds terrible.
And using FG in performance mode.. to reach 60 is tragic. You should never FG from below 30fps.
That's why I play in 40fps mode, because it's native 40fps. But it's still not the fastest 40fps. Feels a bit delayed compared to some other 40fps games... but nothing too bad. Plays great overall.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Lol my ps5 pro runs alan wake 2 at 40 fixed fps.

What a shitshow. And that console only costed me 750 🤣🤣
shhhh.
AW2 is the worst example ever. it's the worst ps5 pro game probably :p
Granted, it is 40fps but controls so bad, so laggy... oooof that game. Remedy are not very competent when it comes to consoles I am starting to think
 

Bojji

Member
Well this is quite something for 2025 I never thought I'd see pc nerds arguing that 30fps or below is acceptable.

"Path Tracing - what do you expect"

I expect to hold the same standards console peasants have been beaten over the head with for decades.

Especially for £2000 and 575watts.

Beggars belief.

WTF are people talking about? PT is insanely demanding in native 4k in almost all games, 4090 is massacred as well.
No one that wants to play with PT is using native 4k. You need DLSS SR to bring FPS to 60+. Frame gen is not needed.
GPU is still ~40% faster than 4090 so what we are talking about?
Meanwhile AMD card is 5FPS on these settings so PS5 Pro would get like 2.5FPS?

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clarky

Gold Member
Well this is quite something for 2025 I never thought I'd see pc nerds arguing that 30fps or below is acceptable.

"Path Tracing - what do you expect"

I expect to hold the same standards console peasants have been beaten over the head with for decades.

Especially for £2000 and 575watts.

Beggars belief.
Nobody this day and age plays anything demanding at native resolution on any system. What are you talking about?
 

MikeM

Member
I saw a video in the same area with a 4090 in the same area running around 24 fps, so about a 20% uplift. Note that games will get different uplifts as I saw CP2077 at a 40% uplift maxxed out.
 

Stuart360

Member
People arguing over the 29fps, while i'm sat here thinking since when does DLSS, even on performance mode, get you near 10 times the performance!.
29fps to 240fps is insane. I guess maybe they are using framegen too?
 
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