Arrogant Bastard
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I think it would be better if we just prosecuted him on the news though, like we do with every other 'scandal'.
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Bowe Berghdahl, POW in Afghanistan, to return to the US
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I think it would be better if we just prosecuted him on the news though, like we do with every other 'scandal'.
benjipwns
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Judge Judy.
Meus Renaissance
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This might be my favorite so far. Does 180º in less than a month.
This isn't a fair screenshot. People saw the POW as just that, but there is now a cloud of doubt over his patriotism and that ultimately undermines the sympathies many will have for a soldier. This isn't unique to Americans or their politics. This is especially true when you trade such a soldier for 5 prisoners at Gitmo - a place that is entrenched in the minds of many people as being a prison for convicted terrorists.
The doubt was there for years, but people ignored it or it didn't matter.
Also, LOL at using the word "convicted"
Meus Renaissance
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Convicted terrorists is what people believe. The same people likely didn't know any better that there were these doubts about him in the past. Ignorance is more likely than hypocrisy. The same for senators that tweeted him support in the past. Honestly, this shouldn't even the rebuttals to these reactions. It's trivial
Arrogant Bastard
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That would work too, we should try that! You're a sage.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Obama could bring back Ronald Reagan from the dead and Republicans would find some reason to be pissed off about it.
Arrogant Bastard
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Well they would be wrong. They weren't convicted and I wouldn't call them terrorists either.
I'm just curious are we supposed to hold all these individuals forever or what?
It is just another odd double standard. If we are so concerned with the rule of law all the sudden, why aren't we charging these men and placing them before a criminal court? The idea that you can hold someone forever without ever charging them with a crime is some Communistic shit. Kinda of funny.
Mutanthands
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The sad thing about this is that any chance of this guy or his family ever getting a fair shake from anyone is pretty much shot. Tried in the media before a formal investigation and hearing, insulted and disparaged by powerful interests, speculated upon by the dregs of the internet. I would be suicidal if I had to face this shit, imagine 5 years of captivity on top of it.
It sucks, and it will end in tragedy.
It sucks, and it will end in tragedy.
Arrogant Bastard
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Yep, and why? No one would have blinked an eye if this was done under Bush. People can discuss it all they want, this is simply being used as a means to attack Obama. It's sad to be honest. Bring the guy home, leave his family out of this, it should be a moment of celebration. We cannot have that though.
Just like the OBL assassination/killing, we had to spend a few weeks saying this or that. Why cannot we just reflect on something positive for a brief moment.
Just to be clear: I'm not saying Berghdahl shouldn't be tried. If the intelligence comes out and he did in fact full stop desert his post, then bring him up on charges. For me, it doesn't change anything. We should have brought him home regardless of what happens next. The idea that we do not negotiate with terrorist is a fraudulent idea, we do. We just don't do it in public. One facet of American life has always been the idea that we do not leave a soldier behind. Try him if you want, convict him if the evidence supports it...but bring him home.
All this is just a cloud though, this is being ramped up as a means to attack Obama and nothing more. I'll wait for the excessive tape and outrage over Bush releasing/transferring 500 Gitmo detainees.
Punchy4486
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Because these same people also claim that it's impossible that the people who brokered this deal were as ignorant as they were about his possible defection and consider the President an evil American-hater. Even if they didn't know and their opinion has changed, this follows a patterned history of switching opinions specifically to be in opposition to this President. He literally cannot win with them. I honestly believe if he did everything they wanted, they'd still find a way to demonize him.
Senators should have known better, but they were too busy trying to rack up patriot points and take shots at the President,and we all know how little politicians care about accuracy. At least civilians don't have the professional responsibility to be informed and accurate. Fuck, look at John McCain on this issue.
And we protect ignorance in this country too much. People are willfully ignorant when it suits their narrative and they're given "equal time" - see evolution, climate change, creationism, "Obummer is a Muslim non-American", etc.
Not to mention most of their excuses for flip-flopping are that OBAMA'S government and the LIBERAL MEDIA lied to and mislead them about him for all these years... despite this information all being readily available for over 2 years. Of course they're not ignorant. It's a liberal conspiracy to make them look dumb and save an evil person.
WanderingWind
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Why you disrespecting the Constitution with regards to term limits, Obroma?
Ps. I am not insinuating that he is a terrorist.Just thought the similarity is interesting an since I not long watched Homeland...I feel my pic is appropriate.
Good for him. Must be quite an experience to endure for so damn long!
Bergdahls Dad: Drone Killed Captors Kid
What pisses me off about this whole thing is that if Obama HAD done nothing and left Bergdahl with the Taliban, and Bergdahl had died in Taliban hands, the same people howling and hollering for Obama's head would then be calling this Benghazi 2.0, and that Obama let patriotic Americans die like he did with ambassador Stevens in Benghazi.
So, Obama was fucked either way.
He either trade 5 blood thirsty hardcore terrorists for an American traitor and deserter and be accused of being naive.
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He does nothing and let a brave American hero die in enemy hands, inviting charges of dereliction of duty and incompetence.
So, Obama was fucked either way.
He either trade 5 blood thirsty hardcore terrorists for an American traitor and deserter and be accused of being naive.
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He does nothing and let a brave American hero die in enemy hands, inviting charges of dereliction of duty and incompetence.
speculawyer
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Really, Rand? I thought you were trying to run for president.
That's just how Republicans roll. Remember that in their minds, Obama is somehow simultaneously a spineless coward wimp while being a ruthless brutal dictator. He manages to be too weak and too strong at the same time.
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Shame that the GOP doesnt do more personalized shitting on their voters instead of just hurting them with their polices, maybe if they were a little more direct people would get the hint.
mattiewheels
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Seems like the 5-for-1 thing is what's getting play here, I wonder how these people would react if it was a 1-for-1.
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speculawyer
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Dominican Power
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This country has fallen so far from grace that it can't even celebrate the return of a solider from captivity -- despite the circumstances. The silly notion that the release of these 5 Taliban members is some how going to haunt us later down road is such bullshit because we're already doing a good of job of that by bombing the shit out of these people with drone strikes, leaving innocent dead in its wake and driving their love ones to seek vengeance.
http://m.azstarnet.com/news/blogs/f...5f2d-89d5-f28482441c00.html?mobile_touch=true
Someone must be playing a prank, right?
Someone must be playing a prank, right?
Looks like a parody site, or at least that author is considering his previous articles.
Particle Physicist
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Isn't what the media and the Republicans doing basically libel? If there is ever a court case and he is found innocent, can't he sue the shit out of everyone? What if there isn't even a court case? How the hell can he ever get a job now that he has been labeled a traitor before anything has been brought to court? This guys has basically been convicted by the media. It's awful.
Exactly, everything so political today.
I'm honestly surprised someone hasn't blamed Obama for California Chrome not winning the Belmont today.
Capitalist privately owned media makes sure we aren't being lied to by government run news organizations like the BBC. Thank You Based Murdoch
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That shit doesn't even makes sense. So he converted to Islam and declared himself a mujahid and was happy with his captors, playing soccer, having a grand all time but attempted to escape and was also caged like an animal. Uh huh. Yeah. Don't groups like these routinely make their captors say on camera that they have converted to Islam, and agree with them and crap like that? Isn't it more likely that they were just forcing him to say this shit for propaganda like they usually do? I cannot believe the level of character assassination the freaken media is doing just because it was that 'Negro in the White House' who okayed his rescue. Has any other POW ever been greeted with so much nasty shit by our media after coming home?
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Amazing.
Who gives a flying fuck how patriotic he is? He's a POW and an American citizen; those are the only reasons you need to justify bringing him home, period. You can't pick and choose who you do and don't want to save based on political leanings.
Its a fake story. That picture is of a four lane street. The RNC is at 2nd and D st SE in DC and looks nothing like that.
Do you even need this sort of evidence? Read the last line, it's so self-evidently fake it's hilarious:
I mean!
Anyway, probably reported, but Bergdahl said he was tortured by his captives: Link
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is this implying Ron Paul = Rand Paul ?
It doesn't matter if god himself came down from heaven and accused him of desertion, he still gets a trial before being convicted.
As for the gitmo prisoners, sure it's fair. It was fair when Bush release 200+ gitmo prisoners, it was fair when mccain suggested that we release 5 "hardcore" taliban as a sign of goodwill to get Berghdahl released and it's fair now. The funny thing is that I never noticed the criticism before.
If the criticism is truly about the taliban and make america unsafe. The iraq war did more to help the enemy and hurt our cause then anything Obama did during his terms.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/05/opinion/gopal-taliban-bergdahl-deal/index.html?hpt=op_r1
This is what I suspected from the beginning. Here's some background on the 5 "terrorists"
This is what I suspected from the beginning. Here's some background on the 5 "terrorists"
speculawyer
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/us/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-controversy/
Keep it classy, haters.
Certainly there is not complete agreement. But I don't think it is crazy to say that most Ron Paul Supporters also support Rand Paul since the two politicians do tend to have the basic principles and positions (although they are not all the same).
To be fair, the owner probably already has.
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