Jessie's fantasy is his own. If you notice it is the only scene where Walt isn't present.
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Breaking Bad - The (Beautiful) Finale - Season 5 Part 2 - Sunday on AMC - OT3
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Jessie's fantasy is his own. If you notice it is the only scene where Walt isn't present.
Monocle
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Walt wasn't present because it made no sense for him to be.
Bobby Roberts
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It's not a dream sequence, man. The show doesn't show that it's "mid-winter." It shows that there is snow in New Hampshire. You don't even know WHERE in New Hampshire he is. It's obviously pretty fuckin remote.
Again, even if it IS September, and the cleaner DID put his actual birthday on the fake ID - you're essentially arguing that there is no place in New Hampshire that could exist where it could snow in September, and you're arguing that based on the fact it's not winter in Albuquerque, even though the episode was actually shot IN winter, in Albuquerque.
No, according to you, Jesse's fantasy is WALT'S fantasy. Walt has fantasized Jesse having a daydream about a memory of Jesse's that, so far as I remember, was never shared with Walt.
What fantasy are you referring to exactly? Not that flashback of him making the Zebra Wood box is it... that was a long time ago.
I am not remembering incorrectly. Look it up yourself, there is a wiki with an approximate timeline.
If it is a mistake it is a very big one. Continuity out by several months is much worse than a missing watch but we get a whole scene putting that small error right.
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maybe jesse is actually jesus. jesus was a carpenter.
Bobby Roberts
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A wiki with an approximate timeline.
Well then.
Point out on the timeline where the show has gone in for extended dream sequences before.
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The ending wasn't a dream. The show has never done things like that before, there is no story ambiguity throughout the entire thing, so suddenly with the finale they pull a "lol it was a dream"?
Where does it say that, curious of your source.... If there isn't one I think it could be interpreted either way but a day dream could be it just as well I suppose (sort of "what could have been" kind of thing). He did make that box and talk about it several seasons ago though, that's the exact box he traded for an ounce of weed.
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one time jesse hallucinated that jehovah's witnesses were biker dudes coming to kill him. but he was high on methamphetamine.
It's not a dream sequence, man. The show doesn't show that it's "mid-winter." It shows that there is snow in New Hampshire. You don't even know WHERE in New Hampshire he is. It's obviously pretty fuckin remote.
Again, even if it IS September, and the cleaner DID put his actual birthday on the fake ID - you're essentially arguing that there is no place in New Hampshire that could exist where it could snow in September, and you're arguing that based on the fact it's not winter in Albuquerque, even though the episode was actually shot IN winter, in Albuquerque.
No, according to you, Jesse's fantasy is WALT'S fantasy. Walt has fantasized Jesse having a daydream about a memory of Jesse's that, so far as I remember, was never shared with Walt.
It isn't winter in Albuquerque because Walt tells you it is September.
Walt gets a least two visits from the vacuum guy, meaning he spend two months minimum in isolation growing his hair. He would have to arrive in NH in July for that to make sense, even though we see the ground covered in snow and trees without leaves.
Just because the episode contains Walt's fantasy doesn't mean Jesse's fantasy happens inside Walt's. the episode can have moving perspectives. The only scene where Walt isn't there is for Jesse's fantasy clearly marking that as separate from the rest of the episode.
I cannot believe people are seriously trying to argue for this moronic dream thing.
Jesse alone, even without that mid episode moment with him, shatters it completetly. Walt wanted to KILL HIM. He had no idea he was basically in slavery. Why would he imagine that Jesse went through a hellish situation(and guess correctly EXACTLY how it happened), and then decide to let him leave and also not have him shoot Walt when he wanted that?
Jesse alone, even without that mid episode moment with him, shatters it completetly. Walt wanted to KILL HIM. He had no idea he was basically in slavery. Why would he imagine that Jesse went through a hellish situation(and guess correctly EXACTLY how it happened), and then decide to let him leave and also not have him shoot Walt when he wanted that?
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i want something else to get me through this life.
I agree... and I have seen Felina about 12 times in the process of editing my video there was never any even remotely solid indicator that he slipped into a dream... none whatsoever, they would have hinted or showed some kind of indicator no matter how tiny but there was nothing. Crazy theory is crazy.
Yeah. And they had plenty of times to do so, if they happened to lose their mind and wanted to ruin their ending like that.
Like, oh I dunno, the whole family scene. He would of realistically dreamed of not having to avoid his fuckin' son that hates him. A dreamlike scenario would be him walking in and them hugging and having some character breaking sappy line as a tip off.
Not reading this thread because I'm not caught up but...
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fucking news station just spoiled the ending for me. It was one of those short 2 second promos after a commercial break for 20/20 or something and the guy says 'A local newspaper posts an obituary for Walter White. News at 10."
God damn drive by spoil. Asssssssssssssssholes
8 more episodes to go. Planned on finishing the show this weekend.
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fucking news station just spoiled the ending for me. It was one of those short 2 second promos after a commercial break for 20/20 or something and the guy says 'A local newspaper posts an obituary for Walter White. News at 10."
God damn drive by spoil. Asssssssssssssssholes
8 more episodes to go. Planned on finishing the show this weekend.
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here's the thing, though: it doesn't matter.
Bobby Roberts
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That's not how "moving perspectives" work. If you're arguing that Walt's fantasy begins in New Hampshire, then everything that follows is Walt's fantasy. There's no reason to see Jesse's flashback otherwise. You're arguing that the real narrative of the entire show is
a) Walt dies in a car
b) Jesse has a daydream in a meth lab.
Again, you also have to point out where in the show, previously, a single dream sequence has ever been used as a storytelling conceit, ever. It's not part of the storytelling toolset of the show.
And again, you have no idea WHERE in New Hampshire he is, so you're going to have to argue that there isn't a section of New Hampshire that exists where it is wintry and cold for most of the year.
There are regions of that type in many parts of the northern United States.
And again - I'm saying that IN REAL LIFE - January/February in Albuquerque looks exactly the same on film as June/July. You can tell because the last 8 episodes of this show were FILMED in the winter months.
Again, your argument hinges on the idea that Albuquerque can't possibly look the way it does at the same time New Hampshire looks the way IT does. And it's obviously pretty possible. Hell, the sequences standing in for New Hampshire were shot IN NEW MEXICO.
Well no shit, it doesn't matter. Because the internet is filled with people who only argue about the most important of subjects all the time.
If Walt wanted to kill him why does he save him from the machine gun fire? Whether it is a dream or not Walt's motivations are exactly the same.
Now would Jesse shoot Walt, that is ambiguous.
My opinion is that in Walter's fantasy he regrets handing jesse over to the Nazis so he doesn't fantasise about Jesse shooting him he fantasises about Jesse being free from him.
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i'm talking about the dude who got spoiled. i'm ignoring this dream nonsense. i'm gonna keep making third eye blind/breaking bad crossovers.
I REMEMBER U + ME USED TA SPEND THE WHOLE GADDAM DAY IN BED
I REMEMBER U + ME USED TA SPEND THE WHOLE GADDAM DAY IN BED
I'm pretty sure that was his real birthday; just fits the narrative better. I think it was summer in New Hampshire - it's just always fucking cold in the mountains there.
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are any of jesse's tattoos aaron paul's?
Nope.
People are going to think this for every single ending to everything ever. It's really dumb.
It is Winter, there are no leaves on the trees and snow on the ground. They talk about having enough LP to last through the Winter. If it was Summer those things wouldn't happen.
lol, are you the dude who messaged me on YouTube a while back asking me to make a Breaking Bad video to Semi-Charmed Kind of Life?
Someone asked me to do that once and with all your Third Eye Blind stuff I am starting to wonder.
It isn't a dream like he is in bed and going to wake up and everything is as it was. He is in the car waiting to be caught or die and he fantasises about what could have happened.
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the keys dropping from the sun visor was a turning point. you're right there with it though.
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this honestly sounds like something i would do but i have no idea. you could do a video to "slow motion" where jesse shoots poor gale.
Let me ask you all a serious question.
When you saw the creator of the show sitting on the couch ready to talk about the ending, were you still convinced that they would murder babies, or have some head trip ending where everything is what Walt wants it to be?
This whole show is Walt's fantasy. That's the point. He empowered himself at the expense of everyone.
I would much rather people say that the finale sucked than call it brilliant for something it wasn't.
Because at least if the finale sucked, nothing changes. Everyone is still unhappy, none of the events of Ozymandias or Granite State were undone. Brock is still without a mother, Marie and Skyler without a husband, Flynn without a father. Lives shattered forever.
And here's another thing. Not one person aside from Jesse will ever know about the machine gun trunk. That part dies with him.
So I think Vince Gilligan did you guys a solid, as Jack might say. He took the ending you might have hated, and made it something you could write off. But it was not, in any form or fashion in someone's head.
When you saw the creator of the show sitting on the couch ready to talk about the ending, were you still convinced that they would murder babies, or have some head trip ending where everything is what Walt wants it to be?
This whole show is Walt's fantasy. That's the point. He empowered himself at the expense of everyone.
I would much rather people say that the finale sucked than call it brilliant for something it wasn't.
Because at least if the finale sucked, nothing changes. Everyone is still unhappy, none of the events of Ozymandias or Granite State were undone. Brock is still without a mother, Marie and Skyler without a husband, Flynn without a father. Lives shattered forever.
And here's another thing. Not one person aside from Jesse will ever know about the machine gun trunk. That part dies with him.
So I think Vince Gilligan did you guys a solid, as Jack might say. He took the ending you might have hated, and made it something you could write off. But it was not, in any form or fashion in someone's head.
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that was also where skyler went all in with walt. could make sense.
great post speevy
great post speevy
He also did that in the pilot. Dream within a dream.
Then the whole thing is a dream of Gus' after his partner got shot.
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#optimism
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the more swastikas we could get into frames of this beautiful show the better.
Pretty sure the DEA and police are going to figure out pretty easily what happened with the machine gun trunk considering it was left there with tons of dead bodies inside while Walt died and Jesse began the intro for Need For Speed.
I meant that the whole series of events leading up to it is pretty hard to believe.
For all the police know, Walt was the cook the whole time, Jesse machine gunned everyone, etc.
It's one of those events that only one character has to know, so it's easy to throw it away if you don't like it. That was my only point.
Probably because Walt finally realized the full extent of the damage he caused to Jessie.