Bungie speaks out on Destiny review delay.

Bungie's reasons are perfectly valid and I appreciate the communication they are giving to the gaming community regarding reviews for their game.


hlhbk said:
No review, no day 1 purchase Bungie.
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This is, also, perfectly valid. Without any solid reviews, it makes sense to wait and for professional reviews and the opinions of others. It makes perfect sense to wait and decide on the purchase later.
 
janoDX said:
20 hours on Alpha and 60 on Beta can tell that I want to play this... I'm ready. Bring it on!.
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Yeah. I'd pay $20 just to have been able to keep playing the Beta all this time. Bungie/Acti can take the other $40 from me on faith at this point considering how great the Alpha and Beta were.

I'm part of the problem, aren't I?

And yet....I kind of have a 'fuck the 'journalists'' point of view at the moment considering how much contempt so many if them seem to have for me. Back when Sterling was doing the Destructoid reviews I placed a lot of weight on his reviews. I can't really think of another reviewer or site with whom I place a lot of trust right now. I like Angry Joe (when he bothers to review a game these days) and a few of the other youtubers - and they don't usually get advance copies of games...so...
 
Chaos17 said:
Of course, they damage control so people won't cancel their order.
The same happened with Sims 4, no reviews before launch date.


How is it not the same just like Watch Dog too ?
They brough 300 millons on the table just for their marketting of that game just to create hype.
No one bring 300 millions on the table for marketting for nothing.
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How much did hype raise after the watchdogs alpha/beta? None because there was no open beta. Unlike Watchdogs and Titanfall, millions of people have played destiny prior to release (http://www.gamespot.com/articles/activision-destiny-beta-had-4-6-million-players-ma/1100-6421389/) The hype is real and its genuine player hype. Remember how boring everybody said Destiny looked before the alpha?
 
SURGEdude said:
On one hand I love the game from the beta so I don't need to read any reviews to know I will buy it (pre-ordered).

On the other hand the excuse it total bullshit and I imagine will get used from here on out by any dev/pub who have any online component at all in their game despite the fact that circumstances will likely be totally different.
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Ehhh, it seems appropriate for this game. If Ubi tried to pull it with AC, people would be much more critical.
 
ThatManTy said:
ya, I address this in the next post.

Either way, I was on blackout until the beta, so I heard nothing at all. Once I played the beta, I thought it was obvious that Destiny was designed around an mmo formula. And apparently, it is, but Bungie doesn't want us to classify it as that sooooo... Ya, they did say that it's not an mmo. But the game mechanics speak for themselves.
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MMOs are one of my favorite genres, but Destiny is not an MMO even if you take the mechanics into account. I played the alpha and beta and Destiny is a really fun game, but it isn't an MMO. Not even close.

At best, it feels like Bungie may be trying to create a game that works for consoles, but can still feel like an MMO at times; however, it's still nowhere close to an actual MMO on PC (unless there are things that have yet to be revealed/announced and that Bungie kept secret). The reason that MMO reviews are delayed is because a lot of things rely on players (the game economy, open world PVP, 10+ player raids, crafting and trading, etc.) but Destiny has really none of that (you can't trade with other players -- although crafting may be an exception -- and the player group sizes are extremely small and the 'open world' is very limited from what we've played).
 
markot said:
In a beta. Of an unfinished product. That didnt include the whole game.
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We're still going on something we've played, not pure speculation. The game isn't going to fall apart to nothing after the beta content. For some of us we've got enough answers to make a purchase.
 
Arklite said:
We're still going on something we've played, not pure speculation. The game isn't going to fall apart to nothing after the beta content. For some of us we've got enough answers to make a purchase.
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And with a review youd know that instead of being just speculating and hoping.

Its great though to see how far back people will bend for companies like bungie and blizzard. Reviews dont matter I know! I knowwwwwwwwww!
 
CambriaRising said:
Why are people giving a guy shit for wanting to see a review first? Some of you are too close to this.
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I think the problem arises when people act like others are taking a gamble by preordering a game that they already played and liked. Also the people who act like the alpha and beta didnt represent the game, and the full experience will be a disaster. Concern trolls
 
cnorwood said:
I think the problem arises when people act like others are taking a gamble by preordering a game that they already played and liked. Also the people who act like the alpha and beta didnt represent the game, and the full experience will be a disaster. Concern trolls
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Ive played lots of mmos that had great betas.

Then they die after 2 months cause, guess what, betas dont mean shit when you are spoon fed certain bits of a game.

Concern trolls? Whats that make the others? Optimism trolls?
 
Rapstah said:
It could also get worse 50% of the way into the game like a lot of other MMOs. I feel like that happens way more often than MMOs getting better, with all due respect to this game not being a standard MMO and what have you.
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I agree, which is why I think a beta isn't enough to buy a game for me.
 
That excuse by Bungie is bullshit. You only ever play with 3 people at most in single player (6 for raids?). And PvP is 6 v 6. No reason it couldn't have been reviewed in advance.

I've already preloaded the game but I wouldn't mind some reviews simply because I like reading them.
 
I do not at all agree, honestly. Competetively? Sure. But the game plays perfectly fine with friends around...seeing other players in the beta was an extremely mild "oh I guess that's kinda cool" and I would be amazed if it's any different in the final release since we saw how the social stuff works already. There's no trading or cross-talk with non-team mates, there's really almost nothing at all that the "shared world" added to the Beta experience.
 
markot said:
And with a review youd know that instead of being just speculating and hoping.

Its great though to see how far back people will bend for companies like bungie and blizzard. Reviews dont matter I know! I knowwwwwwwwww!
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Nah, I can see you just place a lot of weight on professional reviews. They've never weighed heavily on what I buy, I love several games that have mediocre scores, but this game is going to review well regardless because those reviewers do tend to bend over for these companies.
 
CambriaRising said:
Why are people giving a guy shit for wanting to see a review first? Some of you are too close to this.
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I've never had hype for this game and have seen a few reviewers already say their unsure if they like it or not. It's never going to live up to the hype people (especially here) set to it. I don't know if Bungie's reasoning is valid or not but it's definitely worrying that this game could end up mediocre and still sell like hot cakes.
 
cnorwood said:
I think the problem arises when people act like others are taking a gamble by preordering a game that they already played and liked. Also the people who act like the alpha and beta didnt represent the game, and the full experience will be a disaster. Concern trolls
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I think the concern that the alpha/beta doesn't represent the full game is a valid one. The rest of the game could be lacking in desired content or no improvements could have been made, etc.

That being said, I pre-ordered the limited edition of a game. I have never pre-ordered a game before this... I usually wait till the game comes out. However, even if there is no content beyond the beta and they didn't make any improvements... I would have paid just to keep playing the beta. And I'm sure there are plenty others like me. However, concerns are valid and, as someone who is not usually a pre-orderer or a day-1e, I understand.

edit: I take it back.... Now that I'm thinking about it, I have pre-ordered twice before... It's just rare that I do...
 
I will say that Bungie has properly twisted the narrative so that no matter what the reviews say - they won't matter.

If the reviews are high - "Just as everybody thought! See, nobody needs reviews. Just let me play a beta."

If the reviews are low - "These journalists are just jaded that they didn't get special treatment. Ignore them."

If the reviews are middling - "They just don't get it! They rushed the reviews to press, so they didn't get a real experience."


They're masters at controlling the conversation. It's both admirable and terrifying.
 
Stupid decision, this will only lead to rushed and potentially bad reviews. I watched the IGN review stream for some time and the player felt exhausted already from fighting the same boring gutshot enemies over and over again. Rushing through in a 15 hour marathon is only gonna make the gameplay look worse than two or three sessions.

There's never more than like 15 people in your game anyways so the 400 reviewers world wide would've been plenty to fill each others games.
 
I do think that, generally, large scale multiplayer games (Be they MMOs or MOBAs or multiplayer centric FPS) are very difficult for reviewers to measure properly, and likely are slightly deflated in scores as a result of that.

Games with no clear end with no contained experience and which rely on other players to help create the fun have got to be difficult to analyze. I can understand Bungie's hesitancy.
 
Darksol said:
Why do you think that?
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All of their games are INCREDIBLE. I think it'll score in between ODST and Reach (83 and 91).


Opiate said:
I do think that, generally, large scale multiplayer games (Be they MMOs or MOBAs or multiplayer centric FPS) are very difficult for reviewers to measure properly, and likely are slightly deflated in scores as a result of that.

Games with no clear end with no contained experience and which rely on other players to help create the fun have got to be difficult to analyze. I can understand Bungie's hesitancy.
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Absolutely, I agree.

I think the mission design for the "SP" can be rated easily but as far as an ever expanding PvP and Raiding end-game, I wouldn't look for numerical values.
 
Korosenai said:
But then all you'd need to do is read the thousands of impressions the game has gotten because of the beta.
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I was pretty amped about the Titanfall Beta too. It's not hard to be amped if you expect the Full game to be a lot more than the Beta. Some evidence shows the full game might just be more of the same.
 
markot said:
Ive played lots of mmos that had great betas.

Then they die after 2 months cause, guess what, betas dont mean shit when you are spoon fed certain bits of a game.

Concern trolls? Whats that make the others? Optimism trolls?
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Well this isn't a subscription-based MMO. During the alpha and beta I have already put more hours in then I have another $60 games. Even if this game gets lame two months down the line I will have already put more more than enough hours in to justify a $60 purchase. Optimism is fine but I think it's stupid to try to convince others that they shouldn't like a game just because you don't, or that the review process is to hide a poorly made to game. The hype behind this game has been almost entirely user base and I think bungee wants to keep it that way.
 
I kind of understand Bungie's stance on this, but at the same time get why some folks are rubbed the wrong way about it. I get that folks still on the fence want impressions before taking the dive and that's fine. However, some of you are taking crazy pills with your wacky conspiracy nonsense. I mean, really guys? I get it; The industry can play dirty, but do we always have to jump straight to that conclusion?
 
I wonder if reviewers will try to retaliate Bungie because of this decision, that is the only thing that might make this a poor decision from Bungie's point of view..
 
Pre loaded on my X1 but I have this odd feeling that this is due to maybe overall content in the game? Maybe it is not as massive as what people are expecting but either way excited for a new Bungie game. Has been sooo long.
 
ProvenDeadly said:
Because people can't believe someone isn't all aboard the hype train. I hope the reviews are good because this place will be a shit show if the scores aren't outstanding.
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The reviews will be good
thanks to Activision's money.

Seriously, from what i've seen i personally think the game will get boring super fast. I just can't see this game surviving for 10+ years. (which Bungie said)
 
cnorwood said:
I'm certain you realize that this isnt the same as Titanfall and just want to play devils advocate?


So people loved an unfinished product but somehow they will hate more content and polished graphics/controls? Please explain this logic. This isnt wasnt a preview at some gameshow. Many people put many hours (I put~40) into 1 single player level and 2 multiplayer levels. I put more hours into the beta than most SP games that I own. If you really think you are going to get duped you can wait 1 day or a few hours as this will have a big midnight launch
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Spoken like someone who has not played an mmo before.

How a game holds up as you progress is extremely important. Maybe it is unpolished, grindy and repetitive. Maybe buggy and uninteresting. There are a lot of reasons why.
 
Just like an mmo, I don't expect (nor would I trust) any reviews on release day. Any reviews would most likely be lacking significantly re: mp and especially raids. Regardless, the hype is real, so I'm sure they'll do well on sales either way. I played the alpha and beta thoroughly and had pretty much made up my mind back in June.
 
Sn4ke_911 said:
The reviews will be good
thanks to Activision's money.

Seriously, from what i've seen i personally think the game will get boring super fast. I just can't see this game surviving for 10+ years. (which Bungie said)
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10 years for the franchise, not a single game.
 
I've been watching mostly the GameSpot stream and everything screams Halo under a new prettier skin. I've seen all these movements and effects before.
 
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