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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 |OT| Got 99 Problems, But Sales Ain't One.
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LabouredSubterfuge
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DRE Fei said:
Which in and of itself is causally a poor design decision. Being forced to use a perk as a nigh on necessity limits the whole customisability ethic of the game.
Let's run down Support in MW3 vs just plain old Assault UAV
Support: UAV is at four kills vs three for Assault. Let's say they take the lowest possible streak set.
UAV, CUAV or Vests, SAM Turret - that's 4, 5, 8.
Say an average player hits 20 kills in a match (and I'm being generous here, this was never typical in my experience). That's three UAVs from that player for the entire match, because remember, the streak doesn't reset.
Oh god, the horror! (and the last one would presumably be showing up near the end of the match, and multiple UAVs at once don't add full duration)
Compare to UAV on Assault, which is 3 kills, and resets each time you die, meaning that if you score 3 or 4 streaks in a match (that's 9 or 12 kills in sequence out of your hypothetical 20), you're getting 3 or 4 UAVs in a match compared to Support.
The other hilariously ironic thing about this, if everyone is running Support with a similar setup, everyone is running Counter UAV and/or SAM Turrets.
That's totally ignoring that
a) Assassin shuts down UAV, CUAV, and EMP, giving you free reign to destroy full teams of Support radar users and
b) You get a pointstreak point for every UAV you shoot out of the sky and
c) Support is shiny and new, of course everyone is going to spam the shit out of it, the novelty of not having your streak reset on death is fresh. Expect to see the same for Specialist once players level up a bit.
Ok, you can resume freaking out now
fake edit: There is one semi shitty thing about the UAV spam - multiple UAVs have an upgraded effect, so until the Support spam wears off, you will be in pain until you have Assassin. Sort of the 'oh god, where's my Stinger' of MW2 early levels I guess
Support: UAV is at four kills vs three for Assault. Let's say they take the lowest possible streak set.
UAV, CUAV or Vests, SAM Turret - that's 4, 5, 8.
Say an average player hits 20 kills in a match (and I'm being generous here, this was never typical in my experience). That's three UAVs from that player for the entire match, because remember, the streak doesn't reset.
Oh god, the horror! (and the last one would presumably be showing up near the end of the match, and multiple UAVs at once don't add full duration)
Compare to UAV on Assault, which is 3 kills, and resets each time you die, meaning that if you score 3 or 4 streaks in a match (that's 9 or 12 kills in sequence out of your hypothetical 20), you're getting 3 or 4 UAVs in a match compared to Support.
The other hilariously ironic thing about this, if everyone is running Support with a similar setup, everyone is running Counter UAV and/or SAM Turrets.
That's totally ignoring that
a) Assassin shuts down UAV, CUAV, and EMP, giving you free reign to destroy full teams of Support radar users and
b) You get a pointstreak point for every UAV you shoot out of the sky and
c) Support is shiny and new, of course everyone is going to spam the shit out of it, the novelty of not having your streak reset on death is fresh. Expect to see the same for Specialist once players level up a bit.
Ok, you can resume freaking out now
fake edit: There is one semi shitty thing about the UAV spam - multiple UAVs have an upgraded effect, so until the Support spam wears off, you will be in pain until you have Assassin. Sort of the 'oh god, where's my Stinger' of MW2 early levels I guess
All you need is one or two guys on your team running support package with sam turret and it will be fine. I am telling you right now that the sam turret is a point machine. I don't even think assassin will be that necessary, but it will be quick as hell to get level 27 or whatever. There's other great stuff in the 2nd tier like quickdraw and blast shield. Wait until you play the game and you will see how powerful soh pro is combined with quickdraw pro and steady aim. By the time someone runs up and destroys my sam turret, I'll have 8 more kills and I can set another one down. It balances out.Izayoi said:
jgminto said:
You don't need to go stingering UAVs, if you're that terrified of being spotted, just take an LMG and/or an AR with Blind Eye Pro and churn up free points by shooting them down in a handful of bullets.
Remember, CoD4 had every player with UAV at 3 kills, and I don't recall the sky falling from omniscient enemies in that game
Yeah, I'm not that worried anyway. If it really turns out to be a huge problem it'll be sorted out. Assuming Activision doesn't lose half of the studio again.Victrix said:You don't need to go stingering UAVs, if you're that terrified of being spotted, just take an LMG and/or an AR with Blind Eye Pro and churn up free points by shooting them down in a handful of bullets.
Remember, CoD4 had every player with UAV at 3 kills, and I don't recall the sky falling from omniscient enemies in that game
_Alkaline_
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Do we have any info as to how many points towards your pointstreaks objectives give you?
Is it just 1 or is it multiple (ie 2 for capping a flag)?
Is it just 1 or is it multiple (ie 2 for capping a flag)?
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Did the MP servers just go back down?
Jesus, I'm starting to get scared a little already. I just want a balanced game but it seems like they continue to go with their mentality of adding in anything and everything possible if it looks cool and then see what the outcome is after launch...lol
COD is a fast paced game no doubt, but sometimes less really is more in terms of 50 killstreaks to choose from because you really can't give them all your attention and balance them. Black Ops was at least better balanced but it had its problems too. It's really just a matter of how quickly they address the issues and listen to the fanbase instead of being stubborn and thinking that everything they do is correct so they keep everything the same.
I guess I'll find out for myself Tuesday but I hope it's just overreacting at this point because I want another game to play online so badly. This place does make every issue sound like the end of the world afterall.
COD is a fast paced game no doubt, but sometimes less really is more in terms of 50 killstreaks to choose from because you really can't give them all your attention and balance them. Black Ops was at least better balanced but it had its problems too. It's really just a matter of how quickly they address the issues and listen to the fanbase instead of being stubborn and thinking that everything they do is correct so they keep everything the same.
I guess I'll find out for myself Tuesday but I hope it's just overreacting at this point because I want another game to play online so badly. This place does make every issue sound like the end of the world afterall.
Interficium
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It's interesting that zombie IW pays lip service to going back to the gun-on-gun gameplay of MW1 with this iteration but the reality is that it's more killstreak-focused then ever.
_Alkaline_
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LeMaximilian said:
Not related, but just a curious question - what sensitivity do you use for Black Ops?
Judging from your vids, I'm thinking somewhere between 2-4?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
its avatar stuff you gotta buy..what they really are giving you is some lame-ass wallpapers..rance said:
this is different tho. hardline + 1 objective + 1 kill = easy UAVVictrix said:ay an average player hits 20 kills in a match (and I'm being generous here, this was never typical in my experience). That's three UAVs from that player for the entire match, because remember, the streak doesn't reset.....
......You don't need to go stingering UAVs, if you're that terrified of being spotted, just take an LMG and/or an AR with Blind Eye Pro and churn up free points by shooting them down in a handful of bullets.
Remember, CoD4 had every player with UAV at 3 kills, and I don't recall the sky falling from omniscient enemies in that game
playing dom right now. a team of 6 instantly caps the spawn flag, they just each just need 1 kill... boom... theres about 3 UAV's in about 20 seconds of game time. you gotta remember everything you do in the game adds to your point streak. players are getting to that advanced UAV with only about 7 or 8 kills. a whole team playing like this is constant UAV's. thats all im seeing right now.
not for me..still playingLeMaximilian said:
Freezie KO
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DUN GOOFD said:
At least if the player is using Hardline, then they're not using Assassin. So two things: First, they're just as susceptible to radar. Second, they can be affected by Counter UAV.
Although that first spawn flag is a good point since you get an automatic +1 pointstreak in Dom.
Freezie KO said:
Yeah exactly.
Solution:
-Roll with a more advantageous perk for combat than Hardline
-Have better aim than them
-Roll counter-UAV
Result: The entire other team is wasting a perk that you have something effective in, just so they quickly get killstreaks that are also ineffective.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
I'm using a dummy name for the weekend. So PS3'ers feel free to add hizenripbauer.
Freezie KO
Banned
DUN GOOFD said:
Way more worried about this than the UAVs.
On the UAV/Support issue, as it's been suggested already, there's the SAM turret. I honestly don't see how Support UAV spamming can be any worse than Assault Hardline UAV at 2 (2!) kills. UAVs have always been pretty frequent in COD games, and there are ways to counter that; now more than ever, and no, I don't necessarily mean Assassin. I don't have the game yet, mind you, but what about running Extreme Conditioning? Given that the UAV doesn't refresh the radar constantly, you can just run around and the enemy will never really get your actual position. Or, alternatively, you can play defensively; run Hardline with the I.M.S. at 4 kills (I've seen this thing DESTROY people), plant it where you know attackers will be coming from, which will give you actual kills that will in turn give you further killstreaks that will actually kill the enemy. You know... Unlike theirs.
Assassin is really going to balance this out a bit. No wonder quite a few people will use it, so this will prevent everyone from running Support with UAV after UAV. This doesn't mean you absolutely have to use Assassin, I think; after all, if this was the case, perk balance would be absolutely broken, and I still have faith that it isn't. But just the mere existence of this perk will make people realize that they can't rely on their UAV spamming, effectively forcing a lot of those Support guys to run with other killstreaks (or with a different strike package altogether). Then you'll be free to run with whatever perk you want. Sure, you'll eat some UAVs here and there, but that's what you are giving up... just as Assassin users are giving up on explosive resistance and other goodies.
Assassin is really going to balance this out a bit. No wonder quite a few people will use it, so this will prevent everyone from running Support with UAV after UAV. This doesn't mean you absolutely have to use Assassin, I think; after all, if this was the case, perk balance would be absolutely broken, and I still have faith that it isn't. But just the mere existence of this perk will make people realize that they can't rely on their UAV spamming, effectively forcing a lot of those Support guys to run with other killstreaks (or with a different strike package altogether). Then you'll be free to run with whatever perk you want. Sure, you'll eat some UAVs here and there, but that's what you are giving up... just as Assassin users are giving up on explosive resistance and other goodies.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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DUN GOOFD said:HOLY SHIT EVERYONE IS USING SUPPORT PACKAGE. UAV's and ADVANCED UAVS up 24/7. and it doesnt even matter if you kill them, their streaks never reset and they keep calling. theres only 1 time where there is no air support in the air and thats the first 30 secs of the match. blind eye perk does nothing to stop UAVS. guess i need assassin? thats level 27, good luck starting out in this game.
Crouching still makes footsteps sounds.. WHY??
the maps arent good in my opinion. so far i only like 2.
the revenge death streak is wall hack.. wtf was IW thinking??
some positive things....game runs smooth, feels better than MW2, very COD4 like. your old prestige emblems are on your player card, thats really cool...except i switched accounts
You can hear people after u kill them! funny to hear them cry lol.
Grenade Launchers are definitely toned down, more like Black ops. getting lots of hit markers with them.
k going back to play
lol cant wait for that
edit: aww fuck nevermind
Freezie KO said:
I'm secretly terrified of the sniper rifles, but I don't want to start another fearquake stock selloff by voicing my concerns in detail.
My wariness tempered somewhat by the fact that most CoD snipers are fucking terrible players and people are weirdly scared of quickscoping.
The only problem I have with quickscoping is when I get into a lobby in FFA and everyone else is trying to do 1337 360 Trickshots. Same with SnD. I'll always spoil the party with my P90 though but when one of them gets a lucky shot on me it can get pretty frustrating.Victrix said:
yes. http://i.imgur.com/JFGgL.jpgXamdou said:
if you dont have a previous prestige i'll just show a dot
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
So CoD Elite is not going to be on PC day 1? Boo.
lionelhutz
Member
W Hudson said:
WTF are you doing with that avatar?
vatstep
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I really could not care less about UAV spam. Plus, it's probably just happening right now because the later pointstreak rewards haven't been unlocked by those just getting the game.
Yikes, MW3's "airport scene"
Spoiler obviously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6VbeJ10FFg
MW2's scene was borderline but they have clearly crossed the line this time, wtf is this shit, to even consider that it is acceptable to put in.
kid gets bombed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6VbeJ10FFg
MW2's scene was borderline but they have clearly crossed the line this time, wtf is this shit, to even consider that it is acceptable to put in.
NarcissisticJay
Member
all the UAV talk.. was is the difference in blind eye and assassian perks?
legacyzero
Banned
OMG....Bollocks said:
I'm so tired of people complaining about "Mature" themes in a video game. Sorry bro, but seriously. It's rated M
StalkerUKCG
Banned
So can i go back and get 10th in blops,mw and mw2 at any point at it will update or is it a one time sync thing.DUN GOOFD said:
bobs...onGaf
Member
So people are already playing this? How???
Any word on special deals?
Any word on special deals?
_Alkaline_
Member
NarcissisticJay said:
Blind Eye prevents being seen by air support (ie Pavelow).
Assassin prevents being seen by UAV, thermal, heartbeat and portable radar.
trudderham
Member
Bollocks said:
Watching it back for the second time and I burst out laughing. I'm a bad person.
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