Captain America: Civil War - Final Trailer

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Staf

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Damn good!
 

Dalek

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A must be one of the handful of people on Gaf who thought AoU was really good.

cusi it was

You have my shield. I like AoU. There's only two parts I think are bad. Thors seance, and the scene with the falling cars. Other than that I like it all. I like all the characters so I appreciate the time I got to spend with them.

Oh-I did forget that Ultron as a villian bummed me out. He wasn't the twisted, maniacal genius from the comics, but a wisecracking Tony Stark AI.
 
To be fair, I don't think it's possible for Joss Whedon to direct a movie you'd enjoy.

Thats prolly likely but it's definitely the sloppiest of his films.

As meh as avengers was on a rewatch for me it's still a much tighter (but admittedly simpler) narrative than age of ultron.

They should have just axed the setups for future movies and stuck with ultron in general.

And tbh just made quicksilver and witch American lol. I can't with that accent. Quicksilver in particular just sounded absurd

But not making them sokovian (?) Would have definitely required a lot of reworking of the scripts. So its understandable why they had to be foreign
 
The quote comes from the Crave Online piece, which said the following:


So when he gave that quote, the "right now" he was talking about was what, pre Ant-Man?

So far as I'm concerned, his "homemade costume" is the Spider-Man costume. Because the Spider-Man costume IS his homemade costume.

The classic costume - the one we're all used to seeing? He makes it. At home.

edit: Age of Ultron is good. It's not great, but it's not a bad movie. It was overstuffed and as a result, it didn't pack any of the punch it wanted to pack. But it was still fun/entertaining.
 

Sojgat

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A must be one of the handful of people on Gaf who thought AoU was really good.

cusi it was

The action is all a horribly edited mess, but most everything else in AoU is great (I really liked Spader's Ultron).

Unfortunately the action sequences make up around 50% of the movie.
 
The dirty secret about a film series that's ostensibly supposed to be action/adventure:

All the best moments (and I mean all of them), the most endearing, most engaging moments, are the moments where people are just sitting in a room and bullshitting with each other.

They're sci-fi sitcoms that have fights break out every 15 minutes.

That sounds derogatory, but it's not. It's actually pretty smart.
 

guek

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Sounds like this Joss Whedon guy isn't trying hard enough then.

Should he have to? A lot of people enjoy his work. Many don't care for it. Either way, AoU in particular wasn't his best.

Thats prolly likely but it's definitely the sloppiest of his films.

As meh as avengers was on a rewatch for me it's still a much tighter (but admittedly simpler) narrative than age of ultron.

They should have just axed the setups for future movies and stuck with ultron in general.

And tbh just made quicksilver and witch American lol. I can't with that accent. Quicksilver in particular just sounded absurd

But not making them sokovian (?) Would have definitely required a lot of reworking of the scripts. So its understandable why they had to be foreign

Yeah, I'd agree with most of this. Aaron Tyler Johnson was really horrible as Quicksilver.

AoU suffered from being both a case of Whedon going off the rail with his excesses and Whedon being confined to certain editorial mandates. I think there's a better movie that was shot than what we finally got, and I say that as someone who genuinely enjoyed AoU. It was fun but also a lot of wasted potential.
 

J@hranimo

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A must be one of the handful of people on Gaf who thought AoU was really good.

cusi it was

Man, I guess I'm one of those couple of people who like AoU over the first one. Strange world isn't it?

Then again we definitely had Spiderman 3 > ASM2 discussion earlier which is wtf lol.
 
Please. Don't let the posts fool you. Lots of people myself included loved the film. It was great, just not as good as the first.

I believe we can say that about most divisive films. Iron Man 3, Man of Steel, AoU. The lesson is, be kind to each other. Respect other opinions. Treat others as you'd like to be treated.

Well, except the Fantastic 4 reboot. Nobody liked that.
 

guek

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The dirty secret about a film series that's ostensibly supposed to be action/adventure:

All the best moments (and I mean all of them), the most endearing, most engaging moments, are the moments where people are just sitting in a room and bullshitting with each other.

They're sci-fi sitcoms that have fights break out every 15 minutes.

That sounds derogatory, but it's not. It's actually pretty smart.

I gotta wonder if it was designed to be that way from the start, by a committee, or if it was a sort of happy accident that RDJ's and Favreau's Iron Man was such a perfect character for that kind of world dynamic.
 
I gotta wonder if it was designed to be that way from the start, by a committee, or if it was a sort of happy accident that RDJ's and Favreau's Iron Man was such a perfect character for that kind of world dynamic.

I think it was the latter. Iron Man 1 set a very unique and specific tone that TIH didn't have, because it was already in production. But then Captain America TFA was far enough out to be influenced by (and kind of try to channel) that RDJ charm, and Thor did even more so.
 

Cuburt

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We're likely missing a lot of context. The Russos have continually said if Winter Soldier is a political thriller, then Civil War is a psychological thriller, which is something we haven't really seen evidenced in the trailers yet. I'm super curious how that manifests itself in the plot.

That is great that they said that.

Earlier in the thread I speculated that the tone for this film was going to be a thriller from the bits and pieces we've been shown and hinted at. It has been kind of lowkey in the trailers so I'm not surprised that people have missed out on this to some degree, but all the elements are there and it's making me really excited for this film.

Even though we've been shown the line in the sand and the sides that these guys choose, people have different agendas for joining and even reasons that they may switch sides. Add to that the government is forcing this on the heroes and Cap's team is "on the run" in a sense, and that is also another key player that we don't know what their end goal is or who may be pulling the strings from behind the scenes.

In that way, the marketing is a bit misleading but not really. They've just been coy with spelling it all out because I think there will be lots of twists and turns and intrigue so even though it's been painted as an ideological slugfest (which is settled through a physical slugfest) starring Captain America against Iron Man, I think the actual story will be very character driven and more about the tension and suspense than just the action/fights alone. That stands in contrast to how I think BvS will be executed based on the trailers, which seems more straight forward in it's storytelling. BvS and Civil War seem superficially very similar and treading similar ground, but when these two films comes out, I think they will be received as very different films which should be very interesting to watch.
 

tomtom94

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AoU suffered from being both a case of Whedon going off the rail with his excesses and Whedon being confined to certain editorial mandates. I think there's a better movie that was shot than what we finally got, and I say that as someone who genuinely enjoyed AoU. It was fun bit it's a lot of wasted potential.

I think the fairest thing to say about AoU is that it shows why Whedon and Marvel parted ways because neither director nor the producers were really doing their jobs properly.

That and much like Dark Knight Rises there was a little bit of creative burn-out combined with a need to 'better' the previous movie.

(I like it too, think it's a good-but-not-great movie)
 

Cuburt

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Suppose the dissonance comes from the costume being not quite cheap and not quite fancy. Some call it a Halloween costume. Some say it's sleeker than a kid could build. In my opinion, it's fancier than the ASM2 suit. #TeamStarkSuit #BlackPanther #Whowillwin

When someone says "homemade", I think this suit looks beyond what we are supposed to believe is made by Peter "Struggle-Man" Parker, a teen in high school being raised by a widowed aunt. Especially, when we see a possible location of Peter's house in this trailer with broken tile and newspaper taped to the windows for curtains.

If that is the case, this is not the costume he made himself. I don't believe it is, quote me on that.
 

guek

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When someone says "homemade", I think this suit looks beyond what we are supposed to believe is made by Peter "Struggle-Man" Parker, a teen in high school being raised by a widowed aunt. Especially, when we see a possible location of Peter's house in this trailer with broken tile and newspaper taped to the windows for curtains.

If that is the case, this is not the costume he made himself. I don't believe it is, quote me on that.

What if Peter designs the suit completely, including the lenses and the webshooters, and takes advantage of his internship to fabricate it using Stark's next gen 3D printer.
 

Cuburt

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What if Peter designs the suit completely, including the lenses and the webshooters, and takes advantage of his internship to fabricate it using Stark's next gen 3D printer.

That would be a cool way to do it, but I think the idea is that he is already Spider-Man and has been operating as him already. That would probably mean he has some type of costume to hide his identity, even if he goes the Matt Murdock route.
 

Blade30

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That would be a cool way to do it, but I think the idea is that he is already Spider-Man and has been operating as him already. That would probably mean he has some type of costume to hide his identity, even if he goes the Matt Murdock route.

He was already Spider-Man during AoU wearing the Prototype suit (similar to Matt M. Blacksuit) that he made himself, so it's possible that he made an upgraded version (the one we saw in the trailer) with Starks help.
 

Laieon

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A must be one of the handful of people on Gaf who thought AoU was really good.

cusi it was

I wonder if I'm one of the few who didn't think any of the 2 Avengers movies were that great. I thought they were both pretty forgettable.

My favorite MCU films so far are Ant Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Hulk, Iron Man, and both Captain Americas.
 
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Deleted member 10571

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At first I didn't like the tiny spider emblem, but it's already grown on me. The modern, angular design really screams "Marvel" to me. It kinda reminds me of the abdomen portion of Captain America's more recent suits.

That emblem imho is all the proof we need to do the Stark connection heh. Way too technical and industrialized to be a Parker thing, but I might be wrong.

Man I can't wait for this. Hopefully Spidey's got a proper role, not just a endgame cameo.
 

Sadist

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I should watch AoU again. All I remember is leaving the cinema feeling exhausted.
Rewatched the movie a week ago and I wouldn't say I felt exhausted, but the movie is just to damn full.

I think it's been discussed to death though. Still, I found AoU to be enjoyable. It has some great scenes (Hulkbuster fight, Party scene for example) and I still chuckle about several jokes.
 

tomtom94

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Man I can't wait for this. Hopefully Spidey's got a proper role, not just a endgame cameo.

I have a feeling Spidey will be the 'heart' of the movie, so to speak; the idea of a 16 year-old growing up idolising his heroes only for them to fight seems to be a great opportunity to have him be the reasonable one. I don't think he'll have as much screentime as the poster heroes, though.
 
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