Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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😭 remember when the Clinton administration gave us free trade, welfare reform, "don't ask don't tell", and a balanced budget? The fuck happened to this party?

Also the biggest scandal of the decade was Clinton lying about getting a blowjob from his intern. Seems so quaint by today's standards.
They need reform really bad imo. But I think there is a divide in the party, like we're seeing in NYC, that will be tough to move past.
 
Now what? All the "We are Jimmy Kimmel" people won't backtrack from criticizing this as a Trump sicking the FCC on them? So it's not fascism?

You know how the left works. I never thought he should have been canceled but the suspension made sense.

I haven't watched late night shows in forever and it's true that they simply suck and aren't funny on top of alienating people who have always watched those to laugh at BOTH SIDES.
 
Now what? All the "We are Jimmy Kimmel" people won't backtrack from criticizing this as a Trump sicking the FCC on them? So it's not fascism?
You underestimate their idiocy. They are now seriously claiming that Disney has defended their freedom of speech for commercial reasons. With only one if - if Kimmel will mock Trump in the next show.
 
Don't forget love of violent crime and criminals, antisemitism, love of islam (even the lgbt lefties love it despite it not being very reciprocal). I guess we could sum it up by using the word "evil".
Love of Islam. Only because if they knock it they'll get the shit beat of of them.

Things changed.

Liberals were always anti-authority, more free spirited, and nothing describes a liberal better than the old hippy days of smoking joints and not really caring about getting a job. They'll figure that out later in life. At least they seemed calm. Now, the libs are totally different. I dont get a sense those hippies hanging out at outdoors concerts were big into crime, violence and promoting killing people.

But like how it always is, when chaos ensues the right has act as glorified babysitter and control the situation best it can.
 
this liberal is bit lost, and she can't even pronounce Jesus properly :messenger_loudly_crying:




This is easy to reply: their hatred towards the western society. That's why they defend whatever natural enemy of the west: anticolonial movements, "antiracism" (meaning, it's ok to hate on whites and jews), antimilitarism (so the nation is weaker against its enemies), Islam (as opposed to christianism and the biggest threat in the world right now); feminism and transgenderism (as opposition to the men who lead society).

Whatever brings down the pilars of our society fits in that ideological Frankestein monster they have become.

And this is why their manifestations are violent. They are not pro anything. It's a nihilist movement with no purpose other than destruction. The tragedy is that most of them don't even realize how badly they are being played. The global left has been hijacked by anti-west fanatics who must be kicked out of public life. People who want to destroy our society have no place in politics. It's that simple.
 
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There is a big difference in passing a bill that simply states that congress is against political violence and one that makes a national holiday in remembrance of the deceased.
This is really not the same

Neither Bill was for a National Holiday. You are misinformed.

Charlie Kirk Resolution: H.Res.719

This resolution (1) condemns the assassination of Charles "Charlie" James Kirk and all forms of political violence; and (2) honors the life, leadership, and legacy of Charlie Kirk.

Melissa Hortman Resolution: H.Res.519

This resolution condemns the June 14, 2025, attacks on Minnesota state legislators and calls on all people in the United States to reaffirm our commitment to a safe, civil, and peaceful democracy.

The resolution also honors (1) the lives of Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman who were killed, (2) Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette Hoffman who were critically injured, and (3) the law enforcement officers who rapidly responded to the attacks and apprehended the suspected perpetrator.

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The House adopted a resolution honoring the life and legacy of Charlie Kirk and condemning political violence in a largely bipartisan vote Friday that appeared to prove difficult for Democrats.

The vote was 310-58, with 95 Democrats supporting the resolution, which was brought forward by Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) nine days after Kirk, a conservative activist, was fatally shot during an open-air rally in Utah.


Thirty-eight Democrats voted "present," and 58 voted "no."


You are confusing the "National Day of Remembrance Resolution" for Charlie Kirk, which is totally separate.

S.Res.403

Both of the Resolutions I posted (The unanimous resolution for Hortman and and the non-unanimous Kirk Resolution), are in essence, the same thing.
 
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This is easy to reply: their hatred towards the western society. That's why they defend whatever natural enemy of the west: anticolonial movements, "antiracism" (meaning, it's ok to hate on whites and jews), antimilitarism (so the nation is weaker against its enemies), Islam (as opposed to christianism and the biggest threat in the world right now); feminism and transgenderism (as opposition to the men who lead society).

Whatever brings down the pilars of our society fits in that ideological Frankestein monster they have become.

And this is why their manifestations are violent. They are not pro anything. It's a nihilist movement with no purpose other than destruction. The tragedy is that most of them don't even realize how badly they are being played. The global left has been hijacked by anti-west fanatics who must be kicked out of public life. People who want to destroy your society has no place in politics. It's that simple.
Doesn't pertain to every crazy out there because some will be nuts no matter what.

But if more kids stayed away from liberal artsy kinds of college programs and just hunkered down choosing programs and a career path that is more functional tasked in nature than wordy/opinion based, I'm 100% confident you'd get fewer weird people. And a lot of it stems from young adults who make it part of their entire lives going foward.

I dont a sense a someone whose 35, 55 or an old geezer at 75 suddenly wakes up one day changing from a normal person to being radicalized. It takes time to become a political extremist. And that comes from a lot of younger people and young adults with too much time on their hands. Get a PT job making some cash in university or just do what we all did.... go pub crawling or trying to pick up chicks at clubs back in the day. Or if nothing is happening that weekend, a bunch of us order pizza and hang out at the good buddy who lived on campus. And the girls would do the same hanging out in their circles and meeting guys at downtown spots with overpriced drinks too. lol

No young people were so amped up on politics back in the day. Kids now are total losers. No wonder so many have a hard time getting a good job out of school. lol
 
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Neither Bill was for a National Holiday. You are misinformed.

Charlie Kirk Resolution: H.Res.719

Melissa Hortman Resolution: H.Res.519

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You are confusing the "National Day of Remembrance Resolution" for Charlie Kirk, which is totally separate.

S.Res.403

Both of the Resolutions I posted (The unanimous resolution for Hortman and and the non-unanimous Kirk Resolution), are in essence, the same thing.
Ah you are totally right. In general I dislike these pointless bills anyways but voting against something like this feels so pointless.
 
All this politicisation of Charlie Kirk's death is paying off.
I forget his name, but that poll guy on CNN is hilarious because he stands out so much. The channel is so left wing, but amazing they let him show his polls which often show Dems in a bad light. Youd think they yank him from showing it.

The best is when he be talking his charts and one of the panel people are near it too trying to spin it. But he shuts them down saying no this is what the poll said. lol
 
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Just to make sure I have this:
The evil FCC stepped in at the instructions of the president personally, and said to ban Jimmy or else, no other possible way the banning could have happened, no other mechanism.

And ABC here just tells the FCC to go fuck themselves and the FCC throws their hands up like aw shucks they got us

Because both things can't, and wouldn't, be correct. Evil government overstepping agencies trying to destroy the bill of rights don't just let things happen.

So can we admit that the first scenario for the banning likely wasn't correct? And it was exactly what the broadcaster company said right at the start, and for good reason.
 
Because both things can't, and wouldn't, be correct. Evil government overstepping agencies trying to destroy the bill of rights don't just let things happen.

No they don't, but the fact that various political personalities from the Republican party criticized FCC for this as well likely had something to do with them loosening this up.
 
It was a bad move in the first place and it shouldn't have been done.

Let's see if he's muzzled by ABC or allowed full creative Liberty to say what he wants.
The move to suspend him temporarily was smart, the comment from FCC was dumb.
Now everyone has calmed down a bit, so he can safely go back.

So can we admit that the first scenario for the banning likely wasn't correct?
Almost, the lefties wait how hard he will mock Trump next. And if there will be no "hard way" after, then it's correct. There is also a possibility that they are doing this because they have nothing left to lose.
 
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No they don't, but the fact that various political personalities from the Republican party criticized FCC for this as well likely had something to do with them loosening this up.
Seems completely unnecessary for this game of telephone to be the cause of anything. "ABC" doesn't send the show out into the world, broadcasters do that, and they said they dropped the show. The ABC part came after. ABC can actually pay Jimmy to do a show and it's possible for nobody to see it. The only thing that I saw on this was the FCC head saying that you can't mislead the public on public airwaves when he was asked a question about it, but the FCC doesn't need to do anything if the broadcaster decides the show isn't worth it of their own volition.

I know, I know, but money though! You say. Except from what I could see less people were watching Jimmy than watch some streamers, dropping the show was a no-brainer. ABC unsuspending Jimmy is also fine
 
Just to make sure I have this:
The evil FCC stepped in at the instructions of the president personally, and said to ban Jimmy or else, no other possible way the banning could have happened, no other mechanism.

And ABC here just tells the FCC to go fuck themselves and the FCC throws their hands up like aw shucks they got us

Because both things can't, and wouldn't, be correct. Evil government overstepping agencies trying to destroy the bill of rights don't just let things happen.

So can we admit that the first scenario for the banning likely wasn't correct? And it was exactly what the broadcaster company said right at the start, and for good reason.
I don't think anyone is making the argument that the FCC forced ABC to remove Kimmel. It seems much more nuanced than that.

It seems like the FCC made comments that could be interpreted as pressure (direct or indirect) for ABC/Disney to take some sort of action. It also seems that, due to the potential merger of affiliates Nexstar and Sinclair, that there was additional incentive for ABC/Disney to appease the FCC and governmental bodies that might determine the outcome of that merger. Finally, it would appear that due to the extreme backlash and loss of immediate revenue, ABC/Disney decided to ultimately end the suspension of Kimmel, to hopefully claw back some goodwill and revenue.

But in reality, we don't know exactly what sort of comms or reasoning there was behind the suspension—and now reintroduction—of Kimmel, and I think most people are making educated guesses.

However, regardless of the definitive reasons behind the suspension, it's very clear that the FCC put pressure on the situation, and even celebrated Kimmel's suspension. Whether or not that's a violation of the 1st amendment, I personally have no idea; I'm not a lawyer. But regardless, it's not good optics.
 
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No they don't, but the fact that various political personalities from the Republican party criticized FCC for this as well likely had something to do with them loosening this up.

Probably was a factor. But it needs to be pointed out that none of this is how censorship and fascism work. Not that you said otherwise.
 
Not sure this is the place but I don't think Turning Point is going to work out under Erika just look at Jones town, Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate. Did she even have a position in the organization prior to Charlie's assassination? She doesn't have his personality to carry the organization forward imo.
 
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This might have had something to do with it too?

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This is what it looks like on a 5 year basis. That's a pretty small drop all things considered.

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No, I was pointing out that those groups fell apart without their respective leaders. but I think turning point is very founder centric and relies heavily on Kirk's charisma and personality.
Lots of organisations and companies succeed in going from personality-driven to institution-driven. Time will tell.
 
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I hope my American brothers are safe. I fear for their safety reading shit like this. (The comments)
 
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Probably was a factor. But it needs to be pointed out that none of this is how censorship and fascism work. Not that you said otherwise.
Exactly, that was my only point. I don't care one way or another anything about Jimmy or his show. For being a fascist anti-first amendment group of folks they sure don't understand how to censor people very well. They might want to browse Reddit or Era for a while.
 
This is what it looks like on a 5 year basis. That's a pretty small drop all things considered.

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Lots of organisations and companies succeed in going from personality-driven to institution-driven. Time will tell.
Businesses yes, but they have a board of directors, they have talent acquisition people etc and aren't reliant on personallity.
 
No, I was pointing out that those groups fell apart without their respective leaders. but I think turning point is very founder centric and relies heavily on Kirk's charisma and personality.



I think he's talking about influence and charisma. Not comparing them apples to oranges.

Eh.....two of the referenced groups committed mass suicide and the third was demolished by federal agents. A bit more going on than losing a leader.

Poor examples aside, yeah I've thought about the future of Turning Point without Charlie Kirk and I just don't know. Large shoes to fill. Yes, charasmatic guy who connected well with people. Not easy qualities to replace. Legit concerns for its future.
 
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