Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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I don't think we can say his turning himself in is totally disconnected from the pressure applied by law enforcement, but he probably could have been out of the country if he'd had a plan for it.

Short of someone or some computer at the border / airport noticing that he / his passport photo was a potential match for the photos/video from the crime scene, idk how else it could really have been prevented once they had lost his trail. Gait recognition maybe, if they have that tech yet.
 
Airola said:
This could be a slippery slope fallacy from my part, and a relatively controversial take from my part too, but I wonder how big of an effect the modern abortion laws have been for this culture.
I mean, abortion is prohibited in Hippocratic oath. But that part is not followed anymore. Isn't it easier to end up not following the rest of the oath too once you get used to not follow one part of it first? The oath also prohibits giving anyone poison even if they ask to. But look at what's happening with euthanasia today. I think it's no wonder people have also become more selective on who they want to give treatment to, when the Hippocratic oath is not seen as sacred anymore.
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Yeah, once you start relativizing human life like that it's no wonder that there might also start appearing cracks in the oath. Something absolute goes one step further to becoming a choice. Nothing in society exists in a vacuum.

What's interesting is that in a war a doctor is expected to save the lives of soldiers of both sides, but here we have a doctor who wishes ill on a fellow countryman. Will he also treat people of different religious views in different ways, like are muslims safe in his hands because of his viewpoints? I would be very hesitant to hire this guy if I ran a hospital. Imagine the lawsuits if some patients' families felt he didn't do his best in saving their family members due to their ideologies or religions.
 
I am of the firm belief now that Americans or humanity in general is too immature and uncivilized to have nice things i.e. 2nd Amendment, internet/social media. This belief is only more reinforced by seeing how events like Kirk's assassination have played out, both sides are guilty, but those celebrating are another breed of disgusting. When you throw AI into the mix (which is only getting better by the day) it really feels like a path of no return unless something extremely major is done. Of course this will never happen either because it would be a major reduction of freedom and everyone crying "fascist". Enjoy the ride I guess...

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kruis said:
The point is that what the far left calls "far right", they're regular people. The far left however ... there are far, far too many people on the extreme edge who're batshit crazy and regular liberals are still AOK with these people. That should radically change.

It's a damn shame that they US political system is set up as a two party system with no room for any other parties. If the US had equal representation, the far left would have its own political parties and mainstream liberals wouldn't be accommodating the crazies on the far left to get their votes but get the hell away from them.
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Yeah, in most countries you have a parties for: far left, left, center left, center right, right and far right (sometimes mixed). In US, far left hijacked entire Democratic party.
 
The root of the problem here is that the woke cult is collapsing. After it radicalized both the left and the right for years with idpol bullshit and was acting with impunity for more than a decade thanks to the social media censorship cartel, it immediately started to implode the moment Elon Musk took over twitter and the cartel could no longer control the narrative.

So now that the cult is on its last legs the people on the left it radicalized and often ruined the lives of, are hanging by a thread and are extremely volatile. For more than a decade they never actually faced any opposition, especially online where they practically lived, and now that they do they're losing their minds, that in combination with the fact that they're obviously losing ground makes some of them very dangerous and even more unstable. Here's what's even worse, the right that had already been radicalized since it was poisoned for years with insane culture war bullshit that the cult was promoting, it's becoming even more so now that these nutjobs have become dangerous and are killing people.

The cult is the worst thing that has happened to the West and even now that is on the brink of complete collapse it's doing immense damage and, honestly, I have no idea how we can fix this absolute clusterfuck
 
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Airola said:
This could be a slippery slope fallacy from my part, and a relatively controversial take from my part too, but I wonder how big of an effect the modern abortion laws have been for this culture.
I mean, abortion is prohibited in Hippocratic oath. But that part is not followed anymore. Isn't it easier to end up not following the rest of the oath too once you get used to not follow one part of it first? The oath also prohibits giving anyone poison even if they ask to. But look at what's happening with euthanasia today. I think it's no wonder people have also become more selective on who they want to give treatment to, when the Hippocratic oath is not seen as sacred anymore.
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This is one of the so much needed conversations that the Right has cowardly avoided and is relevant to the situation we are in. As other poster said, it's about relativizing the value of human life. Abortion or euthanasia aren't there for "compassion" or "defend civil rights" but to make people believe that life is worthless. It's a death cult shared by nihilists and transhumanists. No wonder these crazies love apocalyptic theories, and say things like "humankind is a cancer, the world should explode". There are many AI cultists in this group, too. People who hate humankind and also themselves.

What many people don't want to see is that these are the first steps in the Overton window for the State to decide who has the right to live and who doesn't.
 
Unfortunatecookie said:
The teacher and a lot of other 'surprising' posts from Canadians.

It should not come as a surprise that the majority of the world are now ignoring American products and services (e.g., latest tourism numbers), booing the American national anthem, and loudly cheering when bad things happen to America. Canadians are going to openly support bad things happening to America because American leadership has openly supported bad things happening to Canadians.
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Hey, we took Justin Beiber off your hands, YOU OWE US!!!
 
calico said:
I don't think we can say his turning himself in is totally disconnected from the pressure applied by law enforcement, but he probably could have been out of the country if he'd had a plan for it.

Short of someone or some computer at the border / airport noticing that he / his passport photo was a potential match for the photos/video from the crime scene, idk how else it could really have been prevented once they had lost his trail. Gait recognition maybe, if they have that tech yet.
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The FBI would've needed only one picture of him further from where he was to know he might be trying to escape. As he never went that far we obviously don't have pictures of him from anywhere else than that area. But I'm sure they were looking for that too. You can't really assume that they wouldn't have caught him on the run when he never went on the run. The way it now was, he basically could've be anywhere in a certain area, but if he went for a run there would've been a lot more predictable route for him.
 
Bojji said:
Yeah, in most countries you have a parties for: far left, left, center left, center right, right and far right (sometimes mixed). In US, far left hijacked entire Democratic party.
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That's a big problem of a two party system.

Because there always is just two parties in power, people tend to sneak in to those parties because it's their only chance to gain power. I mean, even Trump wasn't really a Republican but became one because out of two it was the only party for him to have any chance for presidency.

For some reason even the thought of a third party in power, let alone more than that, seems to be impossible.

It won't stop until people start to vote with their conscience instead of strategically, or until the system is changed into a multi-party system that would give other parties a running chance to have at least some power. There wouldn't be as much incentive to decide to not join a politically more fitting party but instead to join a party that's not as fitting but will give you more power.
 
Dr.Morris79 said:
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What the fuck though?

Is there any deviant behaviour these fuck ups aren't involved in?

Seriously? It's never ending :messenger_neutral:
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It might be true, but I kinda feel like "child pornography images" is the new "drug paraphernalia" tag they used to toss at everyone to make them toxic to support or defend. What was on his phone is difficult to verify ourselves, easy to add if someone has access to it, and could be subjective (I have pics of my own kids playing in the tub when they were very young, for example). Sure, probably more evidence this guy was a deviant sicko, but it always seems to be something tagged on to a charge of something else.
 
'You won't surrender your 2A rights? Then we'll keep abusing them to shoot you until you do.'

'You won't surrender your 1A rights? Then we'll keep abusing them to encourage people to kill you until you do.'

Those demands cannot be caved in to; that is exactly what they want. If terrorists are abusing the rights of a society to kill people or cause people to be killed -as is happening here- you need to go after the terrorists not after the rights.

Soliciting a specific crime to be committed ("kill x next") is already unprotected speech. It serves no purpose other than to have that specific criminal act be committed. If there is no appropriate solicitation crime on the books then pass one and start prosecuting it.

Civil society itself must police retarded-but-protected speech. The state cannot be trusted with that power.

If society has truly fallen so far that it is unable to even do that part itself, because there are too many evil or insane people within it, then as John Adams suggested, the Constitution is wholly inadequate for governing such a society.
 
Airola said:
That's a big problem of a two party system.

Because there always is just two parties in power, people tend to sneak in to those parties because it's their only chance to gain power. I mean, even Trump wasn't really a Republican but became one because out of two it was the only party for him to have any chance for presidency.

For some reason even the thought of a third party in power, let alone more than that, seems to be impossible.

It won't stop until people start to vote with their conscience instead of strategically, or until the system is changed into a multi-party system that would give other parties a running chance to have at least some power. There wouldn't be as much incentive to decide to not join a politically more fitting party but instead to join a party that's not as fitting but will give you more power.
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Well said.

And Trump hijacked entire Republican party, "conservatives" even defend pedos right now (they block Epstein files)...
From outside perspective, both parties are rotten and their presidential candidates since 2016 were really bad.
 
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Airola said:
That's a big problem of a two party system.

Because there always is just two parties in power, people tend to sneak in to those parties because it's their only chance to gain power. I mean, even Trump wasn't really a Republican but became one because out of two it was the only party for him to have any chance for presidency.

For some reason even the thought of a third party in power, let alone more than that, seems to be impossible.
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Hear hear.

Just imagine this, GAF. It's 1992 and we DIDN'T VOTE FOR THIS GUY 'cause he was just boring old pie charts and all about the economy.

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I would give up quite a bit to have a president this "boring" again :P
 
jason10mm said:
It might be true, but I kinda feel like "child pornography images" is the new "drug paraphernalia" tag they used to toss at everyone to make them toxic to support or defend. What was on his phone is difficult to verify ourselves, easy to add if someone has access to it, and could be subjective (I have pics of my own kids playing in the tub when they were very young, for example). Sure, probably more evidence this guy was a deviant sicko, but it always seems to be something tagged on to a charge of something else.
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Does seem to be a theme though with certain types..

Is all i'll say :unsure:

I guess we'll find out in time.
 
Mistake said:
I never liked Bondi. What a crazy thing to say in her position
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Yeah, I don't quite agree with her either but I understand the tactic of using the left wing "hate speech weapon" back against them. It's like this is what you wanted, this is what you get. They thought hate speech would only be about saying bad things about minorities, but if they really want hate speech to be a thing, then it should be applied to them too - especially as making light of a political assassination is objectively worse thing than saying a slur is.

I sort of get the logic, but personally I'm against that too.
 
jason10mm said:
Hear hear.

Just imagine this, GAF. It's 1992 and we DIDN'T VOTE FOR THIS GUY 'cause he was just boring old pie charts and all about the economy.

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I would give up quite a bit to have a president this "boring" again :P
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No Obama, No Trump. We get the leaders we deserve.
 
Baemono said:
I really don't understand how skin color are labled in the US. I've been told I cannot be considered as white, whiel being almost a redhead with very light skin.
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The origins of skin color classification in the US were rooted in national origin, not ethnicity, really. The Japanese are also considered white, for example. And you have "white, hispanic" and "White, non-hispanic" which is fundamentally stupid because a "white skinned" hispanic is just a European (or of direct european descent) like all the other "white skinned" white people. The real purpose of that stuff was to separate out "black" (negro, colored, which ever term is en vogue for the time) for racial selection/deselection depending on the era and the program. The native american stuff as well, which was just as bad as the "one drop rule" for folks with a black ancestor.

So for you, it would depend really on where you were born, or where your parents were born. As populations become more and more mobile (and it's not just the white europeans colonizing everyone else) all this ethnic stuff is gonna get tossed, probably in favor of a more culturally based system as that probably better predicts behavior in a governmentally useful way. Otherwise you get things like "Elon Musk is an African-american" which logically makes sense, or "Idris Elba, African-american actor..." which makes no sense, but is the language we have for the moment.. Ethnic origin is still very useful in medicine though, but we are getting better tools for individually based risk determination as no ethnic population is truly homogenous.
 
Bojji said:
Well said.

And Trump hijacked entire Republican party, "conservatives" even defend pedos right now (they block Epstein files)...
From outside perspective, both parties are rotten and their presidential candidates since 2016 were really bad.
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For the left, it's all about finding fascists and nazis so they are seeing fascists and nazis everywhere.
For the right, it seems to be about finding pedos and sexual deviants so they are seeing pedos everywhere.
But both sides are blind to the problem they are looking for when it is in their own side.

That said, if I had to choose one side from the current leading parties in the US, I would choose Republicans. If I could change the parties to some other two parties available, I would change both. But I bet we would see a ton of current people from both parties leave the Republicans and the Democrats and join those new parties and perhaps nothing would change.

Now, I'm not against Trump being the president. I think he acts as a bitter medicine to the insane cultural disease the USA and even the whole western world is suffering from, and it is what it is. It would be better if there would be no need for that kind of a medicine, but currently there is. Europe has been a mess for a long time and we can now see Trump was very much needed to get the leaders of Europe a reality check and getting their act together. It wouldn't have happened without Trump being the way he is and waking people up with a freezing cold shower. The insane thing is that Trump shouldn't need to do anything for us here and we shouldn't need anyone from the US to do anything for us here either. But he did and we needed that.
 
Kacho said:
Very interesting interview on CNN yesterday.

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He's right that if politicians don't bring the "red meat" then nobody cares and the media just ignores them. In the UK, the BBC have Nigel Farage on speed dial and he is on there more than any other politician meanwhile nobody even knows who the leader of the leader of the centrist lib dem party is because his media profile is so low.
 
Airola said:
The FBI would've needed only one picture of him further from where he was to know he might be trying to escape. As he never went that far we obviously don't have pictures of him from anywhere else than that area. But I'm sure they were looking for that too. You can't really assume that they wouldn't have caught him on the run when he never went on the run. The way it now was, he basically could've be anywhere in a certain area, but if he went for a run there would've been a lot more predictable route for him.
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They had so little to go on though in terms of finding him quickly once they'd lost his trail from the campus. Basically just knew they were looking for a scrawny-looking youngish-looking white man in an ever increasing radius. There are tons of people who 'could' be the person in those photos.
 
Boo Who? said:
What in the actual fuck? I hope some severe punishments are getting ready to be dished out.
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Are they ever?

These types of government "projects" are buried under dozens and dozens of approvals such that it's impossible to find out who actually initiated it, virtually EVERYONE is implicated in 'approving' it to some degree, and the actual people doing it can hide under the same "just doin' mah jerb" rhetoric we have been using to excuse immoral behavior since forever.

Best we can hope for is the project is disbanded, more likely the current admin just points towards THEIR opponents (trans furry discord, perhaps) as it's too useful a tool to discard completely.
 
jason10mm said:
Are they ever?

These types of government "projects" are buried under dozens and dozens of approvals such that it's impossible to find out who actually initiated it, virtually EVERYONE is implicated in 'approving' it to some degree, and the actual people doing it can hide under the same "just doin' mah jerb" rhetoric we have been using to excuse immoral behavior since forever.

Best we can hope for is the project is disbanded, more likely the current admin just points towards THEIR opponents (trans furry discord, perhaps) as it's too useful a tool to discard completely.
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True. I would hope that if any of these people are still part of the FBI, they would be let go. I do not care if you are told to do it or not. If you know it is wrong, speak up. There are plenty of people in Washington they could have gone to. If it took a whistleblower for it to come up, are there people undermining the current administration?
 
Boo Who? said:
True. I would hope that if any of these people are still part of the FBI, they would be let go. I do not care if you are told to do it or not. If you know it is wrong, speak up. There are plenty of people in Washington they could have gone to. If it took a whistleblower for it to come up, are there people undermining the current administration?
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I feel like this has been the FBI MO for decades though. Aren't there reports of "right wing" groups of 12 people where ELEVEN of them are FBI agents and they manage to get 1 rando to go along with their plan, then they bust him? Good job security if you can create the bad guys yourself and then use them to get more funding.

It's a tough gig, I get it. To infiltrate these groups is hard and to a certain extent you end up participating. But those reports of all fit, young men showing up to antifa riots, loaded with "homemade" riot gear, kinda make you wonder who is actually instigating this stuff. Or Operation Fast and Furious (by the ATF) to just let guns go to mexico illegally. WTF approved that op and why? Of all the risk adverse stuff we do, THAT'S the time they decide to get a little loose with the laws?
 
jason10mm said:
I feel like this has been the FBI MO for decades though. Aren't there reports of "right wing" groups of 12 people where ELEVEN of them are FBI agents and they manage to get 1 rando to go along with their plan, then they bust him? Good job security if you can create the bad guys yourself and then use them to get more funding.

It's a tough gig, I get it. To infiltrate these groups is hard and to a certain extent you end up participating. But those reports of all fit, young men showing up to antifa riots, loaded with "homemade" riot gear, kinda make you wonder who is actually instigating this stuff. Or Operation Fast and Furious (by the ATF) to just let guns go to mexico illegally. WTF approved that op and why? Of all the risk adverse stuff we do, THAT'S the time they decide to get a little loose with the laws?
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Yup. I believe the Governor Whitmer kidnapping plot was also mostly feds as well. JFK wanted to shut down the CIA. I think all intelligence agencies need to be thoroughly gutted, along with the IRS, the Fed, CDC, etc. All bureaucratic bullshit departments with no elected people making the rules.
 
What is scarier is some folk that work as doctors and teachers are also celebrating the death. People who can influence lives by mentoring or saving them may treat some group favourably than the others.
 
Political extremism and gun violence is out of control in the USA.

When maga crowd lost the 2020 election, they stormed the capitol, killed a police officer, and had plans to kill elected officials, including republican VP mike pence who opted not to illegally overturn the election results. The group could be heard marching around chanting "hang mike pence". Interestingly enough, I don't recall any liberals calling for all out civil war at that time.

Tensions are running high, and the general discourse in the country has devolved into hot topics such as, what is a woman? and should they have autonomy over their own bodies?

Meanwhile, elected officials get voted into office and immediately start cutting taxes for themselves and their billionaire donors and friends. The culture wars are largely a smoke screen being used to distract the 99% while the elite 1% slowly rob the country blind.
 
Airola said:
Europe has been a mess for a long time and we can now see Trump was very much needed to get the leaders of Europe a reality check and getting their act together. It wouldn't have happened without Trump being the way he is and waking people up with a freezing cold shower. The insane thing is that Trump shouldn't need to do anything for us here and we shouldn't need anyone from the US to do anything for us here either. But he did and we needed that.
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Now I'm going somewhat off-topic, but I was confounded when JD Vance held his free speech-speech in Europe and the elites in the audience were mortified by what he had to say. I did not know that there were such soft people in high positions here. They were literally rattled when he asked them to listen to their people and take their concerns seriously.

And the whining and gnashing of teeth when it came to NATO funding despite presidents like Barack Obama urging the allies for a long time to get their shit together repeatedly. Now that they are finally actually spending more they do it under the guise of blaming Trump and how USA can't be trusted to help them anymore. They are like little children whining all of the time. I wonder when a big part of this continent became so weak.

There are of course reasonable countries, like Finland that kept their defensive thinking despite the fall of the Soviet Union and have a much more robust military today than, say, Sweden which basically planned for peace instead of war. Sweden even used to see Finland as their protective shield if the Russians attacked, which sounds insanely problematic in and off itself.

It seems like Europe has now finally awoken to reality and seen the truth of modern geopolitics instead of living in their cushy and ideological fantasy world.
 
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Bitstream said:
Political extremism and gun violence is out of control in the USA.

When maga crowd lost the 2020 election, they stormed the capitol, killed a police officer, and had plans to kill elected officials, including republican VP mike pence who opted not to illegally overturn the election results. The group could be heard marching around chanting "hang mike pence". Interestingly enough, I don't recall any liberals calling for all out civil war at that time.

Tensions are running high, and the general discourse in the country has devolved into hot topics such as, what is a woman? and should they have autonomy over their own bodies?

Meanwhile, elected officials get voted into office and immediately start cutting taxes for themselves and their billionaire donors and friends. The culture wars are largely a smoke screen being used to distract the 99% while the elite 1% slowly rob the country blind.
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lmao, is this a joke? What was the backdrop to the 2020 'liberal' riots?

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At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020

Findings from Armed Conflict Location and Event Data raise concerns about continued violence during and after election day
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The far left have been, and are as bad as the far right.
 
YCoCg said:
Just a reminder, denying the events of January 2020 was a bannable offence here and things got that bad it caus d the closure of the politics forum.
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I'll happily remove any of my posts about it. I don't want to cause this thread to be closed.
 
Bitstream said:
Tensions are running high, and the general discourse in the country has devolved into hot topics such as, what is a woman? and should they have autonomy over their own bodies?
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The bolded part shows a bit of what the actual problem is.
When it comes to abortion, this is not the question for people on the pro-life side, but it is the question for the people on the pro-choice side.

The problem is that issues like abortion and who knows how many other issues are split into two completely different questions the other side asks and the other side doesn't listen to.
In that specific issue the pro-life side says it's not a question of the woman's body but the question of the offspring's body. And the pro-choice side says it's not a question of the offspring's body but the woman's body. They are dealing with the issue from two very different perspectives and both deny the other perspective even exists. There's no way to solve anything from that starting point.

People are thinking they are running in the same track but in reality they are in a completely different starting line with a different goal and they are shouting at each other and eventually shooting each other because they are running on a different track.

This is why we need as much dialog between people as possible and this is why Charlie Kirk's assassination was a terrible day for human communication culture and human interaction. But it did take a lot of masks off from people who were never truly willing to have a dialog anyway. That revelation has been very good though as it might've helped with recognizing a deeper issue in all of us.
 
Boo Who? said:
I call people trolls who continue to go on about January 6th.
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And a lot of people call those that still can't acknowledge an election and support overthrowing a democratically elected government, fascists. That's why people sometimes bring it up in a conversation about political extremism. This administration pardoned many of them, and just indicated that they're going to allow Ashli Babbitt to be buried with military honors; the woman smashing through a barricade to get to elected officials protected by security over and over until she was shot. It's pretty relevant. It's basically the burial rights version of cheering her on and saying she was 100% justified being a violent extremist. They continue to deny the results of the election, verified repeatedly and litigated in dozens of court cases. They continue to make comments indicating that they don't respect any aspect of democracy and may go further next time.

Imagine if a democratic president led a mob to the capital, indicated over and over that the whole process was illegitimate, talked about the people wanting a dictator, and then started pushing massive redistricting of election lines in multiple states while deploying the military to Washington DC and multiple other cities? People on the right would immediately pull out their Don't Tread on Me flags and their 2nd Amendment granted stockpile of arms to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. Literally. That's what the 2nd amendment is for. People really can't play around with not acknowledging elections.

It's honestly a miracle that Mike Pence, and a few people within the Trump inner circle managed to ignore him and hold the country together at all. That literally is the breaking point. He was blocked repeatedly by republican judges, republican governors, republican appointed generals, and people he hired in his inner circle including the vice president.
 
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Bitstream said:
Incorrect, a police officer at the capital died after being assaulted and pepper sprayed, he suffered multiple strokes and then died the next night per this information on a government website -

Officer Brian Sicknick

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Brian Sicknick collapsed after engaging with rioters during the attack on the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. He was initially reported to have been struck in the head with a fire extinguisher, but this account was later disputed. The medical examiner determined that Sicknick died from two strokes caused by a blood clot, classifying his death as natural.

Months later, however, the Washington, D.C. medical examiner reported that Sicknick had died as a result of two strokes, classifying his death as due to natural causes,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-Natural-13"><span>[</span>a<span>]</span></a> but later commented that "all that transpired played a role in his condition".<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-Aruna-9"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-MedExaminer-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> The ruling was criticized by some expert neurologists, who argued that stress resulting from the insurrection at the Capitol may have caused the stroke.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-15"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a> The medical examiner found no evidence that Sicknick had an allergic reaction to the pepper spray.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-Aruna-9"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a>

It doesn't copy over very well from wiki but it's a little disengenuous to not have more of the context in this unfortunate death. Correlation, sure, causation, harder to ascertain. But no suggestion of physical assault and pepper spray is a "non-lethal" device not strongly associated with strokes. But the guys that sprayed him went to jail for it and rightfully so.
 
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