Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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DrFigs said:
Yes really. I'm sorry that this is a novel concept to you. but it happens even after tragedies. see for example the jokes about Paul Pelosi or the minnesota shooter.
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I don't recall any video of anyone celebrating of Paul Pelosi. Can you show us some examples?
 
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Punished Miku said:
Tying the game to its funding source and clutching pearls about illegal immigration, then reporting it to Elon Musk and MS is trying to get it canceled.
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I see, so by simply disagreeing with the game's message we're teh cancel culture?

Who prompted your cry session by the point you posted your take? Who reported it to Elon Musk and MS? Asmongold?

Seriously, compare that thread to the typical Purple Place cancel thread where everyone is calling for someone's head, and any dissent is met with a ban. The left and right are not the same on this issue.
 
legal wise, is there a difference between assassination and murder. Charlie didn't actually hold any real political office. Wonder if the legal punishment will change based on the wording.
 
MayauMiao said:
Yeah it looks bad but I don't think the mocking carries the same weight as celebrating an actual murder.
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Murder is definitely worse. And the video of it affected people profoundly. But it was still not great. Like imagine if someone broke into Trump's house and hit Melania in the head with a hammer causing major injury. Just saying.
 
Punished Miku said:
Murder is definitely worse. And the video of it affected people profoundly. But it was still not great. Like imagine if someone broke into Trump's house and hit Melania in the head with a hammer causing major injury. Just saying.
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This would be celebrated more than Christmas
 
EviLore said:
A whole lot of them.

Not sure how one can look at this scene and think such callous thoughts:

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When you believe the lie that the people are nazis and hitler and want you exterminated you will justify anything you say and do. It is straight out of the Marxist cultural revolutions to dehumanize your political opponent to justify your eventual destruction of them. It is how the Maoist justified their revolution how Khmer justified theirs, Lenin his, and while he would admit it the nazis used the same tactics for theirs. Dehumanize your opponent and it justifies every base treatment you can imagine.
 
TheChadOfGaming said:
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Stuff like this is why I kind of support the idea of the database and cancel culture being used. Regardless of political ideology, I don't want people who are so openly evil to have any position of authority. Particularly these teachers. As a father I don't want these teachers openly praising death to be teaching my children.

So while I don't like the DB and cancel culture... is the alternative to just let these people be free to be so uncivil? This shouldn't even be a debatable thing, like where tax payer dollars should be allocated. Every person in a sane society should condemn violence against speech, but... here we are. At some point it has to be reigned in.
 
I literally saw someone at REE comparing Horst-Wessel-Lied to the death of Charlie Kirk. WTF man. Not liking someone is one thing, but that's absurd
 
Drake said:


Does this make anyone else a bit nervous? I won't deny there is some schadenfreude on seeing the leftists tactics used against them and I know for a fact they viewed the right's (up until this point) unwillingness to use the same tactics as a weakness, but the slope is getting very slippery now.
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Terrible precedent to set, also extremely hypocritical
 
The internet has become a cesspool. I can't tell how much of it is real, or if it's manufactured by bots or something - but Reddit/bluesky have gone off the deep end in one way and x/right wing sites have gone off in another. Social media rewards hyperbole and it used to be that people understood the difference between what people would say online vs real life - now it seems people can't tell the difference. Online culture is the dominant culture now. Celebrating the death of a guy because you didn't like what he said in internet clips you watched is insane to me. As is calling for some kind of war between left and right. Absurd and sad times we're living in.
 


The Pelosi stuff wasn't quite appropriate. But a lot of good material here. The Biden and trans-lifting bits were great. I give the whole special an 8/10.

But the Paul Pelosi stuff in general was skewed by the batshit insane way the police reports read. People really wanted the bodycam footage, and when they finally got it everyone that I saw reacted to it with horror. At that point it was clear how serious the hammer blow was and how bad the cops were reacting to the situation.
 
Balducci30 said:
Terrible precedent to set, also extremely hypocritical
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Maybe so, but it's also entirely predictable. In warfare, you adapt or you get conquered and the ideological sides are so far apart that they see themselves an enemies instead of brothers or neighbors with a differing point of view. The mainstream media has long whipped their viewer base into a fervor while getting farther and father away from any semblance of being impartial and the rise of social media platforms and personalities made those outlets look tame by comparison not to mention our elected officials, the supposed adults in the room, are just as likely to utilize dangerous and loaded rhetoric. So here we are, seeing this tragedy used as a political football just like every tragedy before and every tragedy that will be. When any engagement is something positive, as social media has taught us, maybe a database showcasing one's lack of empathy isn't such a bad idea.
 
bender said:
Maybe so, but it's also entirely predictable. In warfare, you adapt or you get conquered and the ideological sides are so far apart that they see themselves an enemies instead of brothers or neighbors with a differing point of view. The mainstream media has long whipped their viewer base into a fervor while getting farther and father away from any semblance of being impartial and the rise of social media platforms and personalities made those outlets look tame by comparison not to mention our elected officials, the supposed adults in the room, are just as likely to utilize dangerous and loaded rhetoric. So here we are, seeing this tragedy used as a political football just like every tragedy before and every tragedy that will be. When any engagement is something positive, as social media has taught us, maybe a database showcasing one's lack of empathy isn't such a bad idea.
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I think what's more likely to happen is that people who are celebrating Charlie Kirk dying will be lumped in with people who earnestly feel like he was spreading a hateful ideology (i.e. they have an honest disagreement with his political beliefs) as if they were equally bad. I think this because i'm already seeing it on sites like 4chan. it's very predictable.
 
TheChadOfGaming said:


They are going after the wife, fucking sickos
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What the ever loving fuck!?!?!?!?!?!

I tend to be center but goddamn. The celebration of this mans killing and now the desire to see his wife killed really has me starting to re-evaluating my leaning. MURDER IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't give a shit what side you're on. Murder is wrong be they liberals, republicans, etc.

WTF is wrong with these people? Seriously just WHAT THE FUCK!!!
 
MayauMiao said:
Yeah it looks bad but I don't think the mocking carries the same weight as celebrating an actual murder.

By the way, any footage of people cheering for Paul Pelosi attacks?
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Dude... 'it looks bad'? Come the fuck on.

You can actually hear the audience laughing about it, that's pretty much the same as cheering in this case.

Take of your extremist glasses and just be honest for once. Trump and his cronies are just as bad as all these insane woke retards but just on the other side of the aisle. Dont make a fool out of yourself saying mocking kirk's death is disgusting only to turn around and say mocking the pelosi attack is 'bad taste'.
 
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ElRenoRaven said:
What the ever loving fuck!?!?!?!?!?!

I tend to be center but goddamn. The celebration of this mans killing and now the desire to see his wife killed really has me starting to re-evaluating my leaning. MURDER IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't give a shit what side you're on. Murder is wrong be they liberals, republicans, etc.

WTF is wrong with these people? Seriously just WHAT THE FUCK!!!
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I hope to god that's just another bot. There's millions of them now pushing this shit to divide us.
 
DrFigs said:
I think what's more likely to happen is that people who are celebrating Charlie Kirk dying will be lumped in with people who earnestly feel like he was spreading a hateful ideology (i.e. they have an honest disagreement with his political beliefs) as if they were equally bad. I think this because i'm already seeing it on sites like 4chan. it's very predictable.
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I've seen a lot of people who are ideologically opposed to Kirk's worldview speak out against celebrating his brutal assassination. And as someone who is, or was by today's standards, pretty far left, it's abhorrent that it even needs to be said. It's also really sad that it's easy to see why this is happening. For once, I'm happy to be older and lived a good portion of my life before the internet and even more of that life before its' widespread adoption and the misuse. But as humanity is apt to do with any useful tool, it's widely and grossly misused.
 
Jenov said:
I hope to god that's just another bot. There's millions of them now pushing this shit to divide us.
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You and me both. You can disagree with someone but wishing death on them is insane.

I remember growing up in the 80's and 90's and seeing that while we might not agree we at least compromised and discussed stuff. It's how you knew things were working. Nobody would be happy cause both sides had to give in a bit but

Now days it's your team vs my team. This isn't a game. Maybe I'm too old but why can't we just live and let live and find a middle ground?
 
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Trilobit said:
This whole tragedy has been incredibly eye-opening to me concerning the American left. Like incredibly eye-opening. Almost like someone took a mask off I didn't even know he wore.
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They've been saying idiotic things with no basis in reality about their opposition for a decade now. I bet most progressives couldn't even define fascism.

Labelling someone as such is actually an old Russian feather and tar technique. That's why Antifa are named what they are, because they are in fact communists.
 
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Kacho said:
A lot of the heinous tweets have ridiculously high likes. My gut tells me it driven by bots to further escalate tensions, specifically from China, Russia and India.

I've been saying for a while that I would like the ability to see likes by region on any post. I think it would be eye opening.
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I dunno, I think it could be real. Anyone who's pro-choice would be liking that post. Aborting because of rape is like their #1 talking point for it.

Their thought process is wild though

 
DrFigs said:
I think what's more likely to happen is that people who are celebrating Charlie Kirk dying will be lumped in with people who earnestly feel like he was spreading a hateful ideology (i.e. they have an honest disagreement with his political beliefs) as if they were equally bad. I think this because i'm already seeing it on sites like 4chan. it's very predictable.
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Anyone with even a modicum of common sense will leave negative criticism of Kirk and Turning Point alone for a few months. There are plenty of other ways to push for their cause.

4chan is not an indicator of anything. It's the arsehole of the Internet for a reason, and they know and revel in that.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
Don't be surprised when you read this.

But TDSB stands for Toronto District School Board.

Another case of a wacky teacher influencing kids.
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Despite very much being mostly boomer hippies, my high school teachers presented stuff fairly evenly, and didn't get on your ass if you had the wrong politics (though they were extremely petty if they didn't like you personally). My college experience was very very different. First college was so bad I transferred, cost me an extra semester of catch-up at the state school and cost me a solid $15k extra for that year but hey, state school really lightened the debt load in the end. It also had some activist oppression but nothing like the first place.
 
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