Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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clem84 said:
Might be just my imagination, but the anti-gun narrative seems to not be quite as loud as it used to be on the left. The criminal justice reforms of blue states and blue cities have created very unsafe neighborhoods. Many in those parts of the country, regardless of party affiliation, just want to arm themselves.
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all my friends in liberal groups are now armed. they are terrified of government overreach with Trump using executive orders/emergency powers and using the DOJ for political gains. Imagine if Obama was doing a fraction of that--Can you blame them? Regardless, they think buying a handgun will help them :messenger_confounded:
 
12Goblins said:
If tyranny were to occur in the US, in our lifetimes anyway, it would be in the form of nationalism and the people in control of the military. I can't really see it happen any other way
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The main threat most Americans deal with is when the authorities intentionally turn a blind eye towards disruptive rioting and crime, and let it run uninterrupted, releasing violent people, not dispatching troops immediately to protect businesses from riots (as we saw in the BLM riots), etc. That's a form of tyranny too, letting your people be unprotected from crime and chaos.

People whose property is being overrun by rioters or other chaos and the state doesn't intervene to shut it down immediately with lethal force must be allowed to have weapons to take care of it themselves.
 
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12Goblins said:
all my friends in liberal groups are now armed. they are terrified of government overreach with Trump using executive orders/emergency powers and using the DOJ for political gains. Imagine if Obama was doing a fraction of that--Can you blame them? Regardless, they think buying a handgun will help them :messenger_confounded:
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Anything that causes people to distrust "random other people" ruling over them (human government) and arming themselves is a good thing :)
 
clem84 said:
Sorry if this has been posted already.

If things are to change, going forward there will have to be a rule of zero tolerance of hateful rhetoric on these streaming platforms. Hasan has been radicalizing people for years. This clearly needs to stop. Twitch should be more proactive in dealing with these political streamers.



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Hasan is protected by Twitch. He's had a terrorist on his channel, supports terrorists, advocates political violence, and is just an extremist pos overall. Despite all that, he's been featured in magazines and is so favoured by Twitch that there's a video of the staff singing him 'Happy Birthday'. That someone like him has operated unfettered is very much symptomatic of the extremism which has become more commonplace.
 
ResurrectedContrarian said:
The main threat most Americans deal with is when the authorities intentionally turn a blind eye towards disruptive rioting and crime, and let it run uninterrupted, releasing violent people, not dispatching troops immediately to protect businesses from riots (as we saw in the BLM riots), etc. That's a form of tyranny too, letting your people be unprotected from crime and chaos.

People whose property is being overrun by rioters or other chaos and the state doesn't intervene to shut it down immediately with lethal force must be allowed to have weapons to take care of it themselves.
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Hm ,I've mostly thought of tyranny as overreach, but that's a valid point
 
laynelane said:
Hasan is protected by Twitch. He's had a terrorist on his channel, supports terrorists, advocates political violence, and is just an extremist pos overall. Despite all that, he's been featured in magazines and is so favoured by Twitch that there's a video of the staff singing him 'Happy Birthday'. That someone like him has operated unfettered is very much symptomatic of the extremism which has become more commonplace.
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Didn't he play a terrorist recruiting video on his stream one time? Pretty sure nothing came of that either.
 
12Goblins said:
all my friends in liberal groups are now armed. they are terrified of government overreach with Trump using executive orders/emergency powers and using the DOJ for political gains. Imagine if Obama was doing a fraction of that--Can you blame them? Regardless, they think buying a handgun will help them :messenger_confounded:
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This is why I keep saying left and right are two sides of the same coin. That's funny

And yeah, Charlie wasn't some crazy wacked out guy, just a bread and butter Christian. You ever see a pastor portrayed in movies where a guy goes to confess his sins? Like you might find him a little weird, but you trust the guy anyway. That's how Charlie seemed to me. Killing him was a huge mistake
 
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jason10mm said:
This isn't really doxing, these folks put this stuff on social media themselves. With their pictures. And their names. Often with their job.

Doxxing is taking a post from a forum like this and sleuthing out who they are.

From the site:

This is not a doxxing website.

This website is a lawful data aggregator of publicly-available information. It has been created for the purposes of public education.

We seek to collect and archive instances of individuals promoting or glorifying of political violence, much like archive.org or archive.is. We firmly denounce all political violence and criminal activity.

We do not publish data.

Our thoughts and prayers are with Charlie Kirk's family.
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The creators have described it as a firing operation. They perform no manual review of the input, so anyone with a vendetta can upload someone's name and get them on the list. And as you yourself pointed out many of the examples already posted on their website don't meet the definition of "promoting or glorifying political violence". Some of the screenshotted posts they had as "proof" were clearly not being made by the person being put on the list, but they got on the list anyways because they had the misfortune of the wrong rando replying to their post.
 
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Moneal said:
Didn't he play a terrorist recruiting video on his stream one time? Pretty sure nothing came of that either.
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I hadn't heard of that, but it's entirely possible. Hasan is not subtle in his pro-terrorism beliefs. He's very overt about it and, despite many complaints, Twitch has turned a blind eye to it. I recall seeing that Elon Musk tweeted at Bezos regarding Hasan. It will be interesting to see if anything comes of it.
 
Twitch does protect Hasan, but Twitch also answers to Amazon. If Amazon brings the heat down on Twitch, they would have to answer to their masters.
 
12Goblins said:
all my friends in liberal groups are now armed. they are terrified of government overreach with Trump using executive orders/emergency powers and using the DOJ for political gains. Imagine if Obama was doing a fraction of that--Can you blame them? Regardless, they think buying a handgun will help them :messenger_confounded:
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They may be armed but they can't shoot.
 
jason10mm said:
controlled by Americans
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This is the real reason for the open border policies. It's not about voting. They cannot take America where they want to take it (globalist hell) if America is 80%+ culturally-American, because that would not give them access to enough manpower willing to go along with it when it all kicks off. They would be too outnumbered and facing a broadly unified culture.

Make it more like 50% American and 50% non-American first and they have access to plenty of manpower who would have no problem going along with it.

It's the exact same reason it's happening in a coordinated manner all across the West, and why Western culture is under sustained attack. The strong national cultural identities have to be broken down and the native populations sufficiently diluted.
 
calico said:
This is the real reason for the open border policies. It's not about voting. They cannot take America where they want to take it (globalist hell) if America is 80%+ culturally-American, because that would not give them access to enough manpower willing to go along with it when it all kicks off. They would be too outnumbered and facing a broadly unified culture.

Make it more like 50% American and 50% non-American first and they have access to plenty of manpower who would have no problem going along with it.

It's the exact same reason it's happening in a coordinated manner all across the West, and why Western culture is under sustained attack. The strong national cultural identities have to be broken down and the native populations sufficiently diluted.
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This assumes that naturalized citizens are incapable of agreeing with right-wing talking points (or that people with several generations of citizenship can't agree with left-wing ones).

They might not agree with all of them, surely, but first or second generation citizens can and do have a range of opinions, including conservative beliefs. They are in the mix as well.

I don't think they should agree with this nightmare scenario in the first place, because it's paranoia meant to justify right-wing authoritarian excess, but some of them already drank that Kool-Aid.
 
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Flash Junkins said:
www.foxnews.com

Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin's transgender roommate 'hates conservatives and Christians,' relative says

Alleged Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson's roommate “hates conservatives and Christians," said one of his relatives in an interview.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Well, shit.
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"I think Tyler got a whole lot worse in the year they have been dating. They are big [video] gamers, and obviously they have that group that influences them as well as others. But my gut tells me [the roommate] did more of the influencing," the relative said.

So apparently it's the fault of gamers and this guy! Why? Because of the relative's gut!
 
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Flash Junkins said:
www.foxnews.com

Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin's transgender roommate 'hates conservatives and Christians,' relative says

Alleged Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson's roommate “hates conservatives and Christians," said one of his relatives in an interview.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Well, shit. Any more excuses?
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The relative has this to say about the roommate:

"He hates conservatives and Christians," the relative said. "He hated us. He was not raised that way, but he, over the years, has become really detached [and] been radicalized."

"He has obviously gotten progressively worse the last year or two," the relative said, adding that he's "always very angry."
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I can just imagine why the roommate is 'cooperating'. Will not be surprised if/when it's revealed that this person was very much involved in making this tragedy happen.
 
Flash Junkins said:
www.foxnews.com

Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin's transgender roommate 'hates conservatives and Christians,' relative says

Alleged Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson's roommate “hates conservatives and Christians," said one of his relatives in an interview.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Well, shit. Any more excuses?
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FBI: "We can't find any motive, it's a total mystery!"

The case agent:
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12Goblins said:
all my friends in liberal groups are now armed. they are terrified of government overreach with Trump using executive orders/emergency powers and using the DOJ for political gains. Imagine if Obama was doing a fraction of that--Can you blame them? Regardless, they think buying a handgun will help them :messenger_confounded:
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Dems are the new republicans. Don't tread on them
 
crazepharmacist said:
This might be fucked up to say…

But shouldn't leftists be the most staunch supporters of 2a?

2a was designed to protect us from tyrannically governments.

Leftist logic is that Trump is a dictator.

Trump almost had his brains blown out on live television by a supposed lone gun man who was able to bypass secret service protection.

And now Charlie Kirk.

I obviously do not condone political violence in anyway, but clearly there is an argument to made for supporting the 2a if you truly think we elected a dictator.

just seems contradictory.
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Dude ive been saying this like forever.
 
12Goblins said:
does anyone really think your guns are going to help you against a tyrannical government? I feel like most people agree guns are mostly for personal/home protection at this point. Not sure what your guns are going to do when they drone strike ur house :<

it's gona be these things going door to door
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Drones and Robots arent bullet proof. Yoi could totally mow down those Boston dynamic robots easily.
 
Flash Junkins said:
Says a guy who has never fired a shot. Lol.
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People who have fired shots know that if a robot was actually armored against projectile weapons it would be very hard to destroy

Drones tend to not be armored because they have to fly around, in the Russia-Ukraine War the venerable shotgun is the first line of defense against them because a drone is really just a big robot bird

Now a tank driven by a robot or just an AI core, that would be terrifying and very hard to stop with conventional human-carried weapons

Once you get to robots designed by AI's specifically to kill humans, such as seen in The Second Renaissance, at this point it's game over, human enslavement or extinction is inevitable

 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
I have no idea how much range time he has

I Dont Care Whatever GIF
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To be fair at a range you are standing still and firing at a piece of paper with a bullseye painted on it

Hardly representative of trying to fight an aggressive AI driven robotic platform bristling with weapons meant to kill humans

The Terminator and The Matrix are more representative of how humans fighting robots in a war would go than those cute Boston Dynamics dancing bots
 
Flash Junkins said:
Im gonna take a leap and say 0. I just got back an hour or so ago. Mini-14 is my new toy

He would do nothing. Call it a hunch.

Just got back a couple of hours ago. Got a mini-14, love it.
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Absolutely love the mini 14, great little rifle

Unknown Soldier said:
To be fair at a range you are standing still and firing at a piece of paper with a bullseye painted on it

Hardly representative of trying to fight an aggressive AI driven robotic platform bristling with weapons meant to kill humans

The Terminator and The Matrix are more representative of how humans fighting robots in a war would go than those cute Boston Dynamics dancing bots
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When we reach Terminator level machines I will agree with you

And for me I don't just mean shooting paper targets, a few times a year my wife and I run some tactical training ranges including ones like Taran Tactical
 
I feel we're not too far off where traditional bullets could become obsolete. Could be completely off base here , but I can imagine a world where these bots carry weapons that emit heat waves that can fo through walls or project sound waves at extremely high volumes that will just permanently blow out your hearing, that kind of shit. I remember reading about this weapon that uses ultra low frequency sound waves that makes your organs vibrate and make you uncontrollably nauseated and disoriented. Maybe I read too much garbage
 
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12Goblins said:
I feel we're not too far off where traditional bullets could become obsolete. Could be completely off base here , but I can imagine a world where these bots carry weapons that emit heat waves that can fo through walls or project sound waves at extremely high volumes that will just permanently blow out your hearing, that kind of shit. I remember reading about this weapon that uses ultra low frequency sound waves to that makes your organs vibrate and make you uncontrollably nauseated and disoriented. Maybe I read too much garbage
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I think with present tech range and run time would be their biggest hurdle
 
12Goblins said:
all my friends in liberal groups are now armed. they are terrified of government overreach with Trump using executive orders/emergency powers and using the DOJ for political gains. Imagine if Obama was doing a fraction of that--Can you blame them? Regardless, they think buying a handgun will help them :messenger_confounded:
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This is literally the purpose of the second amendment, so good for them. And no, an individual handgun won't help a person against big brother but an armed populace assures the govt stays in check. For example, see how many people have died under communism and what the first act of leftist/socialist/facist/communist (birds of a feather) governments tends to be.
 
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