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[whytemyke]

So I just got done with a rewatch of most of Scrubs and it was so fulfilling as a television show. I think I know what Chuck is missing.

They have no clue how to give the audience what they want. The producers of Chuck, more often than not, absolutely ruin good moments by diving into drama and stupid antics way too fast. Scrubs knew when to hold and when to fold. I was just reminded of this again tonight with the whole wedding rehearsal thing. Why oh why would they ruin what was a positively happy moment-- in a season that has been more or less emotionally dead, none the less-- with that stupid gimmick?

It's story-tellers turrets, that's all I can make of it.

 

[stuminus3]

So I just got done with a rewatch of most of Scrubs and it was so fulfilling as a television show. I think I know what Chuck is missing.

They have no clue how to give the audience what they want. The producers of Chuck, more often than not, absolutely ruin good moments by diving into drama and stupid antics way too fast. Scrubs knew when to hold and when to fold. I was just reminded of this again tonight with the whole wedding rehearsal thing. Why oh why would they ruin what was a positively happy moment-- in a season that has been more or less emotionally dead, none the less-- with that stupid gimmick?

It's story-tellers turrets, that's all I can make of it.

No, the problem with Chuck is that it's been on the bubble practically since day 1. That's why the stories are told in the way they are. It's also, I suspect, the reason so many people would be happy to see the show end already. These are extremely likable characters, which makes it even harder to be emotionally invested in them knowing that they might be all too easily taken away from us.

Still, enough about that. Morgan's "it's a-me, Mario!" was enough to get the episode a thumbs up.

 

[Cornballer]

Hilarious episode tonight - Morgan was killing it and the MI6 moment was funny.

Reviews:
- Sepinwall
- Onion A|V Club

 

[Silh]

Man, I've gotta GIF Chuck and Morgan humming the Imperial Death March.

Jeffster was great, ahahah. Like how their dynamic with Big Mike carried over from last week. Bit sad to hear they won't be embarking on any more musical outings…

Spoiler

any time soon?

 

[Wads]

Morgan is so damn awesome I almost wish he got intersected just so Chuck and Morgan could kick ass together. Even for just one episode and Morgan not being able to deal with the intersect in his head kind of like the special spy agents.

Speculation on the preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBo7EFuhvuY

Spoiler

Since we see Sarah in the hospital and because it's Sarah, obviously she lives. However, the interesting part will be how she lives. The other guys died instantly. I'm thinking that Vivian just didn't have the heart to go all the way through with it. Just enough to inflict pain. I remember reading an interview with Fedak or Schwartz saying that Vivian would "toe the line" between good and evil and so far she's been nothing but evil since coming into contact with the Ray Wise character... so I hope she comes off this whole evil bit a little. They didn't really show Sarah so I'm really hoping that is it.

I'm also hoping that since the episode seems to be Chuck versus the CIA and fight to save Sarah, that Vivian as villian isn't much of a part of the finale (as in she comes to her senses and realizes she isn't evil).

Anyway, can't wait for next week and I hope it's not the last!!!!

 

[BlackNMild2k1]

wow Vivian really just dissapeared Batman Style?

Spoiler

way to kill any tension by Having Sara be the one at the end. I mean I am sure they would kill her off..... :rolleyes

I want chuck to end and have a Morgan spin off.

Not only was the Vivian disappearance stupid but the fact that they would do that at the end and not even 2 seconds later spoil it with the preview for next week.

What a way to kill any tension.

Spoiler

My preview of next weekcut off before it ended, but they should have just shown Chuck & Casey hunting down Vivian and left it at that. They shouldn't have shown Sarah alive 2 seconds after it happened.

 

[firehawk12]

Honestly, I wish they had the balls to just do it. Cliffhangers with zero impact mean nothing at all.

 

[BJK]

Not only was the Vivian disappearance stupid but the fact that they would do that at the end and not even 2 seconds later spoil it with the preview for next week.

What a way to kill any tension.

Spoiler

My preview of next weekcut off before it ended, but they should have just shown Chuck & Casey hunting down Vivian and left it at that. They shouldn't have shown Sarah alive 2 seconds after it happened.

Same here. I know that the writers / producers don't have much input on the promos, but

Spoiler

seeing Sarah in her wedding dress kills any dramatic tension from the moment. Granted, the choice of Sarah as the 'family' member to get whacked was kinda stupid. There's no Chuck without Chuck and Sarah....and that's one sad season finale. At least if it had been Morgan, you'd have reason to worry. Couldn't be Mama B, since they killed Papa B at the end of last season, so they weren't going to do that again.

Definitely saved the music budget for the back end of the season, as the Imperial Death March doesn't come cheap, and Death Cab's reasonably catchy new song. (Is it even possible to have not seen Star Wars as a 30-something American?) Makes me look forward to seeing what songs make the finale.

And have we seen the end of Jeffster! the band...?

 

[Cornballer]

Not only was the Vivian disappearance stupid but the fact that they would do that at the end and not even 2 seconds later spoil it with the preview for next week.

Spoiler

Thanks for spoiling the preview! Pretty obvious that this would happen, but use some spoiler tags next time...

 

[Prologue]

I personally would like one season, to hopefully see sarah pregnant but I guess we'll see.

 

[Wads]

Spoiler

Thanks for spoiling the preview! Pretty obvious that this would happen, but use some spoiler tags next time...

Ha, I was really careful about mine and it's spoiled in the very next post.

so...anybody want to explain how Vivian ran away and nobody saw her?

Definitely a bit silly. Maybe it's all those skills she was taught when growing up, but even then that's a pretty shoddy explanation. They should have blocked that scene out a bit better...

 

[whytemyke]

No, the problem with Chuck is that it's been on the bubble practically since day 1. That's why the stories are told in the way they are. It's also, I suspect, the reason so many people would be happy to see the show end already. These are extremely likable characters, which makes it even harder to be emotionally invested in them knowing that they might be all too easily taken away from us.

Still, enough about that. Morgan's "it's a-me, Mario!" was enough to get the episode a thumbs up.

Are you kidding? The writing hasn't been solid since Season 2 when we were still learning about the characters. Ever since then, with exceptions of about four episodes on Season 3, the characters have become some cross between a cardboard cutout of their original personalities and a caricature.

Just look at the joke levels. In S2 the "nerd" stuff went with jokes about the Zune, to now they're just being lazy and beating people over the head with heavy-handed star wars references.

I can appreciate the show for what it is, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that the writing is anywhere near as good as it used to be. And don't blame the whole "Oh they never get a full shot cuz they're always on the bubble!" Plenty of people have been left hanging on storylines that were great, and if the writers are somehow trying to tapdance around writing great episodes in lieu of not leaving their fans on a cliffhanger, I'd rather they just do it anyways. (I'd further argue that that isn't the case anyways-- they've never shied away from leaving people on a cliffhanger. Look at the end of S2... massive cliff-hanger and they almost ended the series on it.)

I'm not trying to be a wet blanket. Just trying to gripe in an area where there are other Chuck fans who may be as pissy as I am. Guess I have to wait for Solo to get in here. I just don't know why anyone would even want a new season. I was optimistic for this season but they basically had one over-arching storyline to take them where they wanted to go, and it was cookie-cutter, and done. Even if they come back for a S5, why would you want that? Sarah gets pregnant, blah blah blah, nothing new will happen. She'll be in danger, might even almost lose the baby, but then she'll be okay and HAPPY ENDING! But then... lurking in the shadows... A PLOT TWIST!

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Very funny episode. I think my favorite nerd reference was Linda Hamilton (or at least her stunt double) doing pull ups in her cell. The several Star Wars references were nice as well. Once again, Josh Gomez shows he is the MVP of the show.

 

[Wads]

Honestly, I wish they had the balls to just do it. Cliffhangers with zero impact mean nothing at all.

Can't say I agree - did anybody really think that it would happen anyway? There's no shock value in what they did because everyone already knows the outcome. However, it does set up next weeks events quite nicely.

 

[BlackNMild2k1]

Spoiler

Thanks for spoiling the preview! Pretty obvious that this would happen, but use some spoiler tags next time...

Spoiler

I didn't even say what I was talking about. I gave zero details other than "at the end". I figured that was vague enough to not need spoilers

 

[mercenar1e]

Spoiler

how did Vivian get Sarah's DNA in the first place? didn't Vivian say it was the most deadliest weapon in the world? lol at her running away from 3 trained CIA killers unnoticed

to me Morgan is the only character that im interested in... after watching this episode i wouldn't be sad to hear a Chuck cancellation

 

[LAUGHTREY]

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

 

[roosters93]

Spoiler

I didn't even say what I was talking about. I gave zero details other than "at the end". I figured that was vague enough to not need spoilers

It's funny how you spoiler this but not an actual spoiler.

Note: im not bitter about you spoiling it (as I actually watched the preview) just my 2c.

 

[Silh]

Spoiler

how did Vivian get Sarah's DNA in the first place?

Spoiler

I'm sure it was during some seconds after Sarah came up from behind her and shot Ray Wise. How Vivian took the DNA without drawing attention, I have no idea.

 

[roosters93]

*says something about plot holes in yoda-esque voice*

 

[Cornballer]

Streams of last night's episode:
- NBC.com
- Hulu.com

Spoiler

I didn't even say what I was talking about. I gave zero details other than "at the end". I figured that was vague enough to not need spoilers

It's pretty obvious given the context. Not a huge deal, just please try to be more careful in the future.

 

[Wads]

Spoiler

I didn't even say what I was talking about. I gave zero details other than "at the end". I figured that was vague enough to not need spoilers

I don't really care about the particular thing since I watched the preview, but it really wasn't vague at all...

 

[xandaca]

I wrote a review of this episode on my blog if anyone's interested. Overall I enjoyed it and thought the cliffhanger was a powerful image, even if Vivian's escape made it kind of obvious she would strike at some point and then the promo did its best to ruin the moment afterwards. Lots of great comedy though, especially from Morgan and Casey. I'd appreciate any feedback on the review if you feel like reading it.

CONTAINS SOME SPOILERS

Full Chuck review here.

 

[Nemesis121]

so...anybody want to explain how Vivian ran away and nobody saw her?

I was lol lol lol lol lol when i saw that, it was set up so poorly it was pathetic.

 

[Cornballer]

I wrote a review of this episode on my blog if anyone's interested. Overall I enjoyed it and thought the cliffhanger was a powerful image, even if Vivian's escape made it kind of obvious she would strike at some point and then the promo did its best to ruin the moment afterwards. Lots of great comedy though, especially from Morgan and Casey. I'd appreciate any feedback on the review if you feel like reading it.

[URL="http://xandermarkham.blogspot.com/2011/05/nothing-can-go-wrong-chuck-review.html]Full Chuck review here[/URL].

Your link is broken.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

So I just got done with a rewatch of most of Scrubs and it was so fulfilling as a television show. I think I know what Chuck is missing.

They have no clue how to give the audience what they want. The producers of Chuck, more often than not, absolutely ruin good moments by diving into drama and stupid antics way too fast. Scrubs knew when to hold and when to fold. I was just reminded of this again tonight with the whole wedding rehearsal thing. Why oh why would they ruin what was a positively happy moment-- in a season that has been more or less emotionally dead, none the less-- with that stupid gimmick?

It's story-tellers turrets, that's all I can make of it.

Wait, what? Look, I love Scrubs, but there are two or three seasons in there where the quality was terrible. Granted, they really pulled out of it for season 7 (barring that fucking ren fest sequence, and NBC fucking with the order of the episodes like it was 1985) and season 8, but to act like they didn't fuck around on that show is skipping over years of bad writing.

 

[xandaca]

Your link is broken.

Thanks Cornballer, should be fixed now. Also added a Spoiler Warning, which I'd forgotten to before. (Lucky the link was broken in that respect!)

 

[Cornballer]

Heh:

 

[xandaca]

That was definitely the highlight of the ep for me, Chuck and Morgan being geeky is always a pleasure to watch! (And Sarah's confusion added to the brilliance)

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I thought it was a really fun episode, although like most of you, thought the tension was taken out of the ending thanks to the preview for next week six seconds later. Sheesh!

Still, lots of good stuff this week, and I've been saying it since they let Morgan become part of the team, he is one of the best parts of the show, and I love when he and Chuck are together. Really great stuff.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

The Breaking Bad mention was great. Exactly what I was thinking, and I started dying when Morgan actually said it.

 

[judhudson]

"Casey and the Sunshine Band"

"Kill the Puppy!"

And Casey's line about getting into the guards pants. This episode had some good moments. I hope they intersect Morgan if they go into Season 5.

Also, I'm a bit bummed on being spoiled by next week's preview. Why did they go ahead and do that? Unless they really are planning on setting us up for a surprise...who knows...

 

[Cornballer]

Ratings:

NBC’s line up got crushed, with Chuck falling 7% tieing its series low 1.3 adults 18-49 rating. The Event fell 15% to tie its series low 1.1 rating, and Law & Order: LA tumbled 14% to a 1.2 rating.

Tough to see NBC bringing it back at this point.



A couple quick takes on Chuck's renewal chances:

- Sepinwall:

On the drama side, each of "Chuck," "Harry's Law" and "Law & Order: LA" has a modest argument in its favor for coming back, even if it's just as cannon fodder in the fall so NBC doesn't have to launch too many new shows at once. ("The Voice" being held for February would help in that regard.) "Chuck" has passionate support in the media and fan communities (though neither group has been as vocal as in seasons past). "Harry's Law" was the most-watched of the three, albeit with an audience so heavily comprised of viewers over 50 (who aren't desirable to advertisers) that its final 18-49 demographic ratings weren't that much better than what "Chuck" is getting. And NBC's long working relationship with Dick Wolf might give "LOLA" a slim chance of returning for old time's sake. (Though keep in mind that Greenblatt wasn't there for most of that relationship, and NBC already gave Wolf a mulligan by letting him revamp the cast, which didn't help the numbers at all.)

My heart wants to say "Chuck" comes back for an abbreviated victory lap season; my head fears that either "Harry's Law" gets the only renewal slot or Greenblatt really cleans house and puts on as much new product as he can find room for given previous renewals for low-rated shows like "Community" and "30 Rock."

- TVbytheNumbers on whether last night's results matter:

A week from today is NBC’s advertising upfront meeting when NBC announces next Fall’s schedule, so Chuck fans (and Law & Order:LA fans and Outsourced fans, and reality denying Event fans) will know whether their shows are being renewed or cancelled no later than that day.

That being the case, do tonights ratings for “Chuck vs. the Last Details” matter for the renewal decision?

I don’t expect that they do.

One more episode’s worth of ratings adds effectively no information to NBC’s decision making process which I expect at this point is entirely dependent on the attractiveness of their new pilots, and the deal that Warner Brothers might cut for next season’s license fee for Chuck, both of which we can only guess about.

The NBC upfront presentation is next Monday, and they'll make an announcement then at the very latest.

 

[Solo]

1 more episode until we put Chuck to rest. Well, 2 for me since I need to watch last night's too.

Frankly, its time. Hell, it was time last year or after S2, in hindsight. If the show had been yanked after S2 I would have raged and raged forever, but in the end I would have been left with an amazing overall series that went out at its peak. The reality is now that after 4 seasons, I won't be the least bit upset when its gone, and the show's legacy is now one of being an overall mediocre show that had one flash in the pan amazing season that the rest of the series couldn't live up to.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

I think the way they've split up this season, Chuck is on break for 6 weeks, no new chuck for 2 weeks, no new Chuck next week but the week after, has really hurt the show. I don't get why they pull this kind of shit.

 

[Solo]

I think the way they've split up this season, Chuck is on break for 6 weeks, no new chuck for 2 weeks, no new Chuck next week but the week after, has really hurt the show. I don't get why they pull this kind of shit.

That happens to every show on network television. As such, it can't be targeting as a reason for the show's demise. More likely is that people have simply been giving up on it the past year.

 

[Dilly]

I'd watch an episode filled with Casey just groaning at random stuff.

 

[Vanillalite]

I still don't like how some of the best trained spies have Vivian and her crew hold up with guns, and they just leave them locked in a cell.

Just makes no earthly sense to me that they weren't captured or killed on the spot. I might be crazy though. Considering we didn't see any other guards not like they'd have anyone they'd have to sneak past.

 

[Cornballer]

- One photo from the finale from TV Guide *spoilers*

Ratings/Renewal talk:
- Ratings were adjusted up to a 1.4 in the demo in the final numbers this afternoon
- TVbytheNumbers has Chuck at a 25% or 15% likelihood of renewal, which sounds about right.

Hitfix's Bubblewatch breaks it down:

BubbleWatch: NBC's 'Chuck'

SHOW: "Chuck" (NBC)

IN ITS FAVOR: While small, the "Chuck" fanbase is among the most passionate out there. More importantly than that, they're also fully mobilized and have been fully mobilized for two straight seasons of Save Our Show campaigns. If you're NBC, there's something to be said for holding onto a couple shows with devoted audiences and a solid critical support base, even if the ratings have fallen even below the low-but-steady mark. The "Chuck" team has also been willing to cut characters, cut back on locations and turn the show into an action-comedy platform for product placement. Anything.

AGAINST IT: When "Chuck" was fighting for its life last season, its ratings were hovering very steady between a 1.8 and a 2.0 among adults 18-49 and a bit over 5 million viewers overall. That was really, really low. This spring, "Chuck" is averaging a million fewer viewers and between a 1.3 and a 1.5 rating among adults 18-49. That's not the sort of trending that normally gets a renewal.

OUR TOTALLY UNINFORMED GUESS: If you'd asked us in January, we're have said that "Chuck" was guaranteed to get a renewal, with NBC in ongoing-and-perpetual desperation and "Chuck" holding steady close to last year's numbers. But with "The Voice" giving NBC some hope and "Chuck" slipping this spring? That's much less good. We put this one at 50-50 on the nose. Ask us tonight? It may feel like a "No." Ask us tomorrow? We'll see. The problem is that it's hard to know what indicators would be good news for "Chuck." This won't be a decision based on logic for NBC brass.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

1 more episode until we put Chuck to rest. Well, 2 for me since I need to watch last night's too.

Frankly, its time. Hell, it was time last year or after S2, in hindsight. If the show had been yanked after S2 I would have raged and raged forever, but in the end I would have been left with an amazing overall series that went out at its peak. The reality is now that after 4 seasons, I won't be the least bit upset when its gone, and the show's legacy is now one of being an overall mediocre show that had one flash in the pan amazing season that the rest of the series couldn't live up to.

yep I just hope when it gets cancelled fans will blame the writers and not NBC. The rating are lower because show is getting stale.

 

[Vanillalite]

yep I just hope when it gets cancelled fans will blame the writers and not NBC. The rating are lower because show is getting stale.

Meh I'm thoroughly enjoying Season 4. Season 3 is the skippable season IMO.

 

[Domino Theory]

Meh I'm thoroughly enjoying Season 4. Season 3 is the skippable season IMO.

Agreed. Season 4 is leagues above Season 3.

 

[Doorman]

I thought the entertainment aspects of this week's episode were great, but my opinion of Vivian Volkoff has been a bit wavy since her introduction and this episode probably tipped it into the red for good. Her inconsistency is starting to get really annoying, as is the team's inconsistency in how they deal with her.

On one hand it's neat to have the "good girl fulfills her destiny and becomes evil" thing going for it, but it felt like she turned entirely too quickly. She immediately launches into bitch-mode and swears revenge against Chuck, but now in this episode she's suddenly back to being unsure of herself and struggling with the morality of killing people? She gasps at the revelation that her father wasn't originally evil, despite telling her father that she doesn't give a shit about him and locks him in a bomb-rigged room to die? The laywer whose name I don't remember is going around giving her tips on how to be a successful leader of the company and how it was okay that she killed the arms dealers because they're bad people, and the whole time I couldn't help but think to myself why did he bother "activating" her and try to teach her into all this crap when he seems to be perfectly capable to run it all himself anyway?

Why, when a kill-order had already been placed on Vivian following the "Chuck murder mystery" episode, have they passed on multiple opportunities to just snipe her dead or outright arrest her? With Chuck as Vivian's declared nemesis, why didn't she use her super-weapon to just kill him outright? Or take out the whole wedding party around him instead of just one person?

It was a decent episode, and I kind of like the way they're tying together the fates of the Bartowski and Volkoff families both past and future, but there's so many damn holes in the way the characters are acting now that it's really ticking me off. That and for some reason I'm still secretly hoping for a return of Daniel Shaw and it doesn't look like that'll happen.

Spoiler

End of season twist please?

 

[plc268]

Meh I'm thoroughly enjoying Season 4. Season 3 is the skippable season IMO.

Couldn't agree more. Most the people complaining about some of the episodes as of late have been nitpicking the utterly minor things. Season 4 started off rocky, but it seriously picked up with some of my favorite episodes.

 

[Solo]

Didn't like it, and the reasons are twofold. First and foremost, WHAT THE FUCK at the Vivian scene after the car crash?! I've watched enough TV over the years to see a lot of dumb stuff, but that may have been the dumbest thing I have ever seen on a network television show. Not only does she Houdini herself the fuck out of there, but then everyone decides she's not worth searching for. Why find the international arms dealer when theres a party to be had, amirite? Oh, wow. Way to make every character out to be enormous dumbasses, writers. The second thing is how ridiculous/unbelievable Vivian's turn has been. There was some funny stuff in this one and some great character moments, but I cannot get past the bad stuff.

- I can't picture Sarah watching Mannequin
- I can however picture Sarah being oblivious to Star Wars :lol
- wait, how did Vivian walk right past Sarah into Frost's cell and not notice her? LOL
- that was an unexpectedly sweet gesture from Jeff to make the video (Lester: "what is this garbage?" :lol)
- twist was kind of pointless, since we know Sarah won't get killed off

 

[legend166]

If I had a billion dollars, I would fund a Casey/Morgan buddy cop spin off show. It would be amazing.

 

[Captain Blood]

I am definitely going to be sad to see this show go yea it may not be as good as season two but there are still really great moments in this show that makes me thankful we have at least gotten third and forth seasons.

 

[Roude Leiw]

the last two episodes were awesome.

 

[Cornballer]

Via ChuckTV.net:

TheWrap reports that NBC will announce the new primetime schedule for 2011-2012 a day earlier than expected, on Sunday, May 15.

Citing the importance of this year’s upfronts for fourth-place NBC and new programming chief Bob Greenblatt, TheWrap says that the network will present the new schedule to reporters during a conference call beginning at 2PM Eastern. Keep those fingers crossed and be sure to check back here Sunday afternoon for the scoop on Chuck season 5!

Also, Todd VanDerWerff with a review of Monday's episode. The discussion at the end of the article seems to mirror what a lot of people here are saying:

So that dispensed with, let’s tackle another question: Does “Chuck” deserve to get renewed?

First, from a business standpoint, it’s clear that if NBC cancels “Chuck” next week (the network holds its “upfront” meeting, where it will announce its new schedule, on Monday), no one will be terribly surprised. The show’s ratings have crumbled quite a bit in 2011, and even though NBC has huge holes on every night of the week, the success of “The Voice” may have convinced the network that doing something new will be better than hanging on to the old. At the same time, no one would be too surprised if NBC picked up the show. Its ratings are bad, but it’s cheap, and it has a built-in fan base. Picking it up for 13 “final” episodes would allow the show to get one last chance to tie up all loose ends.

But does it have that many loose ends to begin with? Now that the show has let virtually every other character in on Chuck’s secret (or every character we wanted to learn about that secret) and now that Chuck and Sarah are on their way to the altar, there aren’t a great deal of things still hanging over the show. Some of this has come about because the show has aired so many potential series finales over the years (since at least the midpoint of Season Three), but there still isn’t a great dramatic impetus driving the characters forward. The story of “Chuck” is all but done, especially once Chuck and Sarah are married.

That said, would I stop watching the show if it came back for a fifth season, one specifically billed as the end? Probably not. Many of the problems of seasons Three and Four have stemmed from the unusual episode orders NBC keeps tossing at the show. With a set number of episodes and a set end-date, the show could likely come up with a sweet story that lets us know what all of the characters are going to be up to in the years to come (when we’re not watching them). It could also come up with some fun standalones and so on. That said, the show’s budget would likely be so low if it returned that every episode would be a standalone on the BuyMore set, where Captain Awesome talked about the virtues of his awesome minivan. Is that a show I want to see? I’m not as sure about that.

Regardless, when I write my piece next week at this time, we’ll know whether the series is coming back or not. If it does, well, we’ll watch those episodes, I’d assume. And if it doesn’t, we’ll certainly have our memories of the show as it was. Even if it was never able to rise again to that Season Two level, it’s never been anything less than pleasant. And that’s not nothing.

EDIT: All sorts of rumors floating around now...

David E. Kelley's take on "Wonder Woman" may not get the nod but sources say it's looking good for a renewal for Kelley's midseason drama "Harry's Law," starring Kathy Bates. Perennial bubble show "Chuck" is likely to return for at least 13 episodes.

Sepinwall's take:

Also, that Variety story I just linked to suggests Chuck looks good for a 5th season. As with all pre-upfront buzz, take w/grain of salt.

TVbytheNumbers said "what they were hearing isn't any good" regarding Chuck last night.

 

[ivysaur12]

TVBytheNumbers has no idea what they're talking about and most likely made that shit up for more page views.

Chuck might live for another day.