I'd say hundreds of thousands. Black Americans have bee complaining about police brutality and murders since at least the 1920s.
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Cincinnati braces for footage release in campus cop killing (Up: Murder charge)
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I'd say hundreds of thousands. Black Americans have bee complaining about police brutality and murders since at least the 1920s.
Man, that video only says to me clearer than ever that the officer went for him rather than the ignition. Defense might argue that it looks that way because the victim went for the cops arm though. Whatever the case, disgusting, unjustifiable, murder.
depths20XX
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His reaction when someone starts their car up is to immediately shoot them in the head?
His life wasn't in danger. Cop literally escalated that situation to the worst level.
His life wasn't in danger. Cop literally escalated that situation to the worst level.
Yep, it's the whole point of the cameras. Ideally you reach a point if you were one often enough, you forget it's there. Just like this jackass did.
Wow, I couldn't tell from the video in the OP what actually transpired, but this video is much clearer.
Officer tries to open the door.
Dubose closes the door and starts the ignition.
Officer reaches into the car and shoots Dubose in the head.
Awful shit.
I don't think that court decision is particularly relevant. To defend his actions the officer basically has to say any reasonable person in his shoes in the moment would agree it was the right call (Graham v. Connor). I don't think that'll be a successful defense in this case.
I had no idea those murder charges in Ohio didn't require premeditation, though. http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2903.02
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Don't get your hopes too far up.
Nobody knows the asinine defenses, they now have time to come up with before trial, that certain people with eat up without second thought.
Black Republican
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yeah, heat of the moment type of thing, very sad.
Complain, reporting, protesting, screaming. You know what I meant.
Tertullian
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Oh, I agree that it probably won't be very significant in the case, and obviously I agree that it's no defense of the cop morally.
It's just that we've seen at least two high profile cases recently where a cop got very aggressive after a black person refused to get out of a vehicle, and the black person soon wound up dead. Maybe if PA v. Mimms hadn't pounded into officers' heads for several decades that they have the right to order anyone out of a car for any reason or no reason at all, fewer cops would be so aggressive, and we would see fewer such cases.
tearsintherain
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Why hasn't every police chief in the country sat down with all his cops and just said "ok guys, stop pulling people over for minor shit. Busted lights, maybe expired tags, not signaling, not completely coming to a stop, jaywalking, smoking weed, whatever. We are all looking like idiot racist retards - lets try to get to at least 30 days without killing an innocent person, ok?"
Man, that's some terrible, senseless killing.
Now that I see the clearer video, it does seem apparent that the officer got dragged (there is a car in the background that is visibly closer when the officer gets back on his feet).
My feeling is that a police officer is senselessly throwing themselves in danger's way by trying to hold onto a moving car (what could possibly be accomplished that way?), but I feel like this is going to be a sticking point for the defense.
Whether or not he was dragged, though, shooting the driver is neither humane nor effective.
Now that I see the clearer video, it does seem apparent that the officer got dragged (there is a car in the background that is visibly closer when the officer gets back on his feet).
My feeling is that a police officer is senselessly throwing themselves in danger's way by trying to hold onto a moving car (what could possibly be accomplished that way?), but I feel like this is going to be a sticking point for the defense.
Whether or not he was dragged, though, shooting the driver is neither humane nor effective.
Now you know to weigh the words of officers less. They always lie, it's part of the game.
A deputy at the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office tells about planting evidence, lying in reports and testimony under Sheriff Ric Bradshaw
The article is from February but I don't think it is well known. It should have made national headlines. There is a LOT more in the link.
He got dragged because when he shot Sam the car started going forward. The car didn't move before the cop shot Sam.
Pyramid head
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The victim clearly does not go for the cops arm at any point.
In this shot, the cop has already reached across the victims body, his arm moving from left to right, and the victims arm has only just begun to retract from resting on the car door. To me it looks like the cop is either reaching for the guys seatbelt or attempting to grab the victim himself.
The Lone Courier
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Fuck, if you slow it down to .25 it looks like he even pins him down with his left arm to shoot him.
Yes because I was totally trying to be condescending about the circumstance. Unlike your posts.
Complain - 'state that one is suffering from'
Go somewhere with your nonsense mate.
Hero_of_the_Day
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So, does the footage cut off at the end just in this released version so we don't see anything too graphic, or did the cop turn his camera off? Sorry if this has been answered.
onadesertedisland
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Updated gif of shooting:
Epsilon-delta
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What?! The majority of the military are paper pushers. Also, there a lot of people serving in the medical field in their respective branches. I don't think you understand how large the Nurse Corps, Medical Corps, and Dental Corps are in the armed services.
We get it, you don't like the military, but to make bullshit generalizations like this needs to be called out.
They have more footage but I don't think it's been shown publicly yet.
No, ideally you don't forget it's there and therefore don't shoot people for no reason.
Whether the car moved at all (even idling) before the gun fired is unfortunately not 100% clear in the video, and it's probably going to be something the defense will focus on.
I think it's plain to see that firing the weapon (whether or not the car moved, and even if the shot hadn't been fatal) was very wrong, and I hope that the jury doesn't get caught up in the inevitable "if the car moved, you must acquit" argument
Honestly looks like he fired the gun, Dubose was probably close to dying, scared for his life and decided to try and get away but died moments later.
I mean in that situation who WOULDN'T floor it after being shot? If anyone says they wouldn't...they're lying to themselves.
Clear cut case of murder. I don't see how anyone would be able to defend this. Honestly kind of looks like he holds Dubose so he can get a good shot.
I mean in that situation who WOULDN'T floor it after being shot? If anyone says they wouldn't...they're lying to themselves.
Updated gif of shooting:
Clear cut case of murder. I don't see how anyone would be able to defend this. Honestly kind of looks like he holds Dubose so he can get a good shot.
Anton Sugar
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He's probably referencing the high ratio of aggressive/violent people who join the military vs other occupations. Can't find the study itself, sorry--it was reference in The Invisible War (the first time I'd heard it).
Dashcam will show exactly what is unclear.
damn. it really does.
slowdown the video to 1/2 or 1/4 speed when you watch it. It is nearly certain the vehicle isn't moving until after he has been shot
Graphic, I think. If you look at the "cleaner" video, they blur out the shot.
not only common but they have the authority to do their own investigations into rape. And not report to anyone beyond the school
Now you're just getting angry and dismissive for some reason when I was never condescending to you or the situation.
I'm well aware of the denotative meaning of "complain."
I was referring to the connotative way people can interpret the word "complain."
People "complain" about a lot of things, a lot of them minor and petty. Black people's suffering at the hands of law enforcement is well beyond that.
EdibleKnife
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Because so few people in their system or out hold them accountable. Rather, too many people are willing to praise or excuse their actions so there's no reason for a sit down. At the very least they seem to get is some bad press for a month before their officer gets off or shifted to another department , or at worse they fire one cop (who gets hired at another PD) and by the time everyone's forgotten the offending officer's name, another PD across the country screws up and the cycle goes on. PD's can't lose customers in the traditional sense of a business of any kind so they stay insulated and guided by their own rules and without harsh consequences for these unarmed killings, they can stay insulated and just treat these events as "one offs that are not a reflection of how this department conducts itself, etc."
Ah, I hadn't realized there's dashcam footage, too.
On the FOX19 stream, at the ~14:45 mark, before the officer's lawyer speaks, one of the news anchors whispers (before their mics are cut) "this should be good."
On one hand they should be more professional, but on the other, good on them for not being robots and being human. Everyone from every walk of life should be condemning this and accepting it as a crystal clear indicator of police brutality in America.
On one hand they should be more professional, but on the other, good on them for not being robots and being human. Everyone from every walk of life should be condemning this and accepting it as a crystal clear indicator of police brutality in America.
GoldenEye 007
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Yeah it'll be best to focus on the excessive use of force. Which is clear and should be murder.
However, at a traffic stop, you are required to exit the car if ordered. I don't know why the Supreme Court ruled that way, but they did. So ignoring that order is going to give a cop an excuse to be an asshole.
However, at a traffic stop, you are required to exit the car if ordered. I don't know why the Supreme Court ruled that way, but they did. So ignoring that order is going to give a cop an excuse to be an asshole.
manfestival
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video was more akin to execution than anything. Reminds me of those brazillian videos I watch on liveleak all the time. RIP Sam, you may have been the catalyst for your own death by turning the car on but it was a completely undeserved over reaction that did you.
LiquidSword
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Well ideally cops should do their job correctly with or without cameras. It's almost like what people say about religion. If you are just doing good things because fear of punishment or for your eternal reward then you aren't really a good person. Same could be said about cops with cameras. If they are following procedure, protecting, and serving just because they are being watched they are not a good cop.
You do realize the car started moving after he killed the guy, right?
That's why having dash cam footage would make it much clearer, if it exists.
I don't think even saying "I was dragged at low speed for a second" is enough to make it a reasonable shooting for a jury though. Makes sense he might have panicked, but when you have other options in the situation like just letting go, it's hard to defend shooting the guy.
I would think that, but considering how these particular cases have gone down (if they've gone down at all), the jury could practically believe anything.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Just awful. But if my city can somehow someway be the tipping point for police brutality and cover up in this country then it seems fitting. There has been a long history of police abuse on the black community of Cincinnati. Hope we are able to finally realize some semblance of justice this time around.
Epsilon-delta
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I need to see the receipts.
Anyways, the cop was a fool to think that he was going to get away with it considering the body cam footage.
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