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Cincinnati braces for footage release in campus cop killing (Up: Murder charge)
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Guys?
Can we stop attacking each other, and start having a levelheaded discussion about how dissent is being silenced even though no one has bothered to rule out the possibility that the bottle contained a hateful, piss-colored genie that threatened to kill everyone the cop had ever loved unless he shot the driver?
Can we stop attacking each other, and start having a levelheaded discussion about how dissent is being silenced even though no one has bothered to rule out the possibility that the bottle contained a hateful, piss-colored genie that threatened to kill everyone the cop had ever loved unless he shot the driver?
Tallshortman
Member
Well we had a good run.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Or you could, you know, explain how to calmly talk to police and how to act (like keeping your hands visible at all times). While also explaining that the vast majority of black people stopped by police don't end up getting shot or killed.
The game is rigged. Act accordingly. There are better ways to attempt to un-rig the game when possible than advocating destructive behavior (I support guns and believe more black people should have them, but let's leave the whole "defending myself against cops with guns" thing in the trash).
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Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
Are you fucking serious right now?
If s, the officer had no authority to open the man's car, and the man had every right to shut the car door.
Also if you're serious your post is a piece of shit. I hope that doesn't reflect on you as a person though.
now just imagine we lived in a world where the cop wasn't raised on irrational fear, and black men aren't raised on actual real, pending threats on their lives, just waiting to happen.
the game is rigged, so don't play rigged games. and since you asked, defending myself against cops with guns isn't the point. The point is some people are raised to have self respect and are allowed to keep it. Others are raised to live with their heads down, and if they raise them too high, they get chopped off. I would much rather have one talk than the other with my son, but I know the deal, and live in the same reality you do, unfortunately. So...I will have to have that same heartbreaking conversation with my boy about how to stay alive in these modern times. It doesn't matter that "most black people don't whatever". the one time you stop being black and start being a human being, that's the end of you.
CarpeDeezNutz
Member
Damn, that gif looks like some cartel/gang style assassination, we sure that cop was not actually a crip out to take out a blood?
Edit: nvm they would be more subtle.
Edit: nvm they would be more subtle.
Ah, I can't bring myself to watch it. Thank you.
FadedRevolution
Member
I'm so sick of this victim blaming shit. Fuck that why is it always up to the victim to be the only one act right. How about we hold these bitchass cops responsible for their actions.Why is it that we shouldn't be allowed to defend ourselves from cops? Fuck that letting cops do to us whatever they fucking feel like it. Its not fucking right. I have the right to defend myself and I fucking will if need be
Mattdaddy
Gold Member
Man first thing I thought was that it looked like a hit. I mean I don't actually think that it was but it was so quick and so deliberate... that's what it made me think of.
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Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
I guess I should tell my sister she shouldn't wear revealing clothes, so she shouldn't worry about getting raped.
Continue on though with your victim blaming though.
Seriously fuck off with this victim blaming.
The cop had no authority to open the man's door, and he had no authority to reach into his car like that.
Also the man "drove" off after getting shot and it was clearly a fatal shit so he was dead when he "drove" off.
PhoenixDark
Banned
That's an exaggeration.
I prefer to recognize the game as what it is; it's not going anywhere. I go through much of the day without thinking about it. However if I'm walking into a bank or a store late at night sure, of course I'm thinking about it. The difference is that I'm not afraid. I know what it is and recognize more than likely I'll be alright. That doesn't mean I'm going to do stupid shit like antagonize a cop or refuse to follow directions though.
FadedRevolution
Member
So cops shouldn't be held accountable for whatever they do. Its always the victims fault huh? Get the fuck out with this bullshit.
travisbickle
Member
I think the logic for those kinds of people is that the penalty for driving without a license is not not-death. That if you do something suspicious the consequences are anything except "no consequences".
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I hope that cop rots in prison for the rest of his stupid life.
The guy started his engine while being stopped by a cop. Why would he start his engine mid stop?
It was a mistake on his part but not way justified the events that followed.
FadedRevolution
Member
Why would the cop shoot him in the face?
I said it didn't justify the events. We all know the cop is a piece of shit.
PhoenixDark
Banned
You can take that bullsht comparison elsewhere.
Nowhere in my post do I insinuate or advocate this. I was responding directly to a conversation between Akira and another poster. Obviously the cop here committed murder and should be held accountable. That's not up for debate.
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Jpop
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Go back and watch the fucking video and stop fucking victim blaming.
No you are basically saying its kinda his fault that he got shot on the other hand the cop is a piece of shit. If he didn't make a simple mistake though he wouldn't have gotten shot so....
Fuck off.
no it isn't. all it takes is one time for you to forget who you are in front of the wrong person, and you will be reminded. hard.
I disagree that the rigged game isn't going anywhere though. I have set myself against it, I'm not accepting things the way they are. I feel like I can do that much, if not other things. I'm not sure about your affirmations against fear though. I talk with a lot of people who say "just comply, you know the deal." and fear is at the center of those words, even if practicality is what they base it on. No one is sayin antagonize the police or refuse to follow instructions. But I am saying don't accept it, and wait for your moment to fight back, because it will come.
So you are playing "What should the victim of murder have done differently?"
It was a bad decision by the guy but he shouldn't have to get shot in the face. Most people would expect the cop to simply make for the keys, to let go if he was in danger of being dragged, and then pursue the guy in his squad car if he got away.
He likely wouldn't have gotten shot if he hadn't turned his engine on. He likely wouldn't have been shot if the cop hadnt tried to open his door which started the following events. He also wouldn't have been shot if the police officer didn't have a gun on him.
I'm not saying the guy deserved it. It was a tragic series of events that led to his unlawful murder by the cop.
Liamario
Banned
My version of what I saw-
Guy tries to start the car after officer asks him to take his seatbelt off.
Cop yells stop and proceeds to execute the driver.
Car starts moving as engine was successfully started and deceased driver is sitting on accelerator somehow.
Officer was dragged after he shot the deceased in the head.
There was absolutely no justification to pull a gun and shoot the driver, none. Even IF he was about to drive off.
Guy tries to start the car after officer asks him to take his seatbelt off.
Cop yells stop and proceeds to execute the driver.
Car starts moving as engine was successfully started and deceased driver is sitting on accelerator somehow.
Officer was dragged after he shot the deceased in the head.
There was absolutely no justification to pull a gun and shoot the driver, none. Even IF he was about to drive off.
Unknown One
Member
With the amount of innocent black people getting killed by cops I don't blame him for starting the car. I too would be afraid of him.
Chuckie
Member
This is painfully accurate.
Especially because, just like ED209, the cops seem to malfunction on a regular basis
B_Spooky13
Member
There was absolutely no reason for the guy to get shot. That was horrible.. disgusting. he wasn't trying to run him down.
But reading some of the comments on here.. yes when you can't produce a id, police can tell you to exit the vehicle. I've had it happen numerous times. Basically they need to know who you are and not give you a chance to flee.
While this does not justify the man dying, the cop did have a right to open the door.
With that said I hope the cop gets some serious jail time for this
But reading some of the comments on here.. yes when you can't produce a id, police can tell you to exit the vehicle. I've had it happen numerous times. Basically they need to know who you are and not give you a chance to flee.
While this does not justify the man dying, the cop did have a right to open the door.
With that said I hope the cop gets some serious jail time for this
FadedRevolution
Member
I love it that the only ones in these situations that are allowed to fear for their lives are the cops. Dude got pulled over for some dumb shit. Didn't have his license cop tries to force his way into the car the guy panics and starts car gets executed. Mothafuckas have the nerve to blame him instead of the paid professional who is supposed to protect and serve.
PhoenixDark
Banned
I think it's an exaggeration from the perspective that people forget what time it is all the time and live to see another day, don't go to jail, etc. More often than being shot or arrested.
Interesting point on fear, although I don't think I agree. I've been stopped many times by the police. I live across the street from a bank that was robbed last year. When I'm stopped I calmly handle the situation and move on. I think that's the best way to deal with cops, or assholes in general: don't give them a reason to fuck with you. I know I'm going to get stopped. Those are the cards I've been dealt. All I can do is win or manage/exist with the hand I'm given.
What do you mean by fight back btw?
CarpeDeezNutz
Member
Let's get real, how do minorities view cops vs. how white people view them? I was raised to look out for them. Like, don't let them catch you slipping.
Edit: poor whites feel the same.
Edit: poor whites feel the same.
I don't think the cop had any right to just open the door.
He just casually tries to open the door and then tells him to take his seatbelt off. He never asks him to get out of the car.
I hope that piece of shit cop rots in jail. The way he tries to sell it to the other guys that he thought he was gonna run him over... disgusting.
He just casually tries to open the door and then tells him to take his seatbelt off. He never asks him to get out of the car.
I hope that piece of shit cop rots in jail. The way he tries to sell it to the other guys that he thought he was gonna run him over... disgusting.
CarpeDeezNutz
Member
Yo, as bad as some cops have gotten with me and my boys none of them have tried to rip the door off.
fastford58
Member
Watched it a few times.
I feel like the cop maybe ND'd on the guy and then tried to lie to cover it up.
Out side of that, I can't really see any reason for the shot in that situation.
I feel like the cop maybe ND'd on the guy and then tried to lie to cover it up.
Out side of that, I can't really see any reason for the shot in that situation.
fighting back means a lot of things. There are a lot of ways we can resist the status quo of racism and inequality. And when it comes to the police, realizing they're not invincible, not invulnerable to the law, not untouchable goes a hell of a long way. Instead of "open season on cops", see them for what they are, and attack accordingly. Attack them through the system, via the laws, erode the position they've held in society for 100+ years, and destroy their image within the public. Defund, downsize, reapportion. We took away their tanks and it shouldn't stop there.
here's the thing about that fear. You know you don't need to give the police a reason to fuck with you. And you can do everything you can to avoid it. If that hostility sets it's sights on you, you will feel the fear. Doesn't matter that you're in control of yourself and your emotions. You're not really in control of the situation. And there are people out there who can give you something to be afraid of. That fear is just another tool in their toolbag, and some of them know how to use it.
The cop no doubt had a right to instruct him to exit the vehicle....but he didn't. At no point did he TELL him to exit the vehicle.
So no, I don't think he had a right to just open the door. That was the catalyst for the entire altercation.
This is a slippery slope. Bottom line the cop pulled the trigger, he is the one to blame.
LookAtMeGo
Member
I guess we can add not having a front plate and closing your car door to the list of things that can get you killed By a cop if you're black. I just saw the video now and holy shit. I'm just so appalled and pissed off.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Don't forget the part where he starts going off about how the driver was trying to kill him via dragging him.
Even without knowing that the first shot was a killshot, the general reaction would still be "no shit you just shot at him point blank".
B_Spooky13
Member
I mean technically yes he didn't ask him to exit the vehicle.. I've been asked to exit the vehicle like that too. When the police asks you to take off your seatbelt and starts opening the door it's quite obvious what they are asking.
I mean cops freak me right the fuck out. Having incidents as a younger punk in small towns and sometimes even in cities..
but i could never know the fear of being black and having police on me and god only knows what the victim was thinking when the cop tried to open the door.. feared for his life or just trying to get away. Either way the man shouldn't have died like that.
And it's obvious that the cop knew he fucked up since he tried to cover it up
I was waiting for the driver to escalate the situation but it never happened.
I can't wrap my brain around a routine traffic stop turning into an execution. On what planet is starting your engine grounds for being shot in the head?
The victim blaming in this thread is horrendous. The "don't wear revealing clothing" comparison is apt.
I can't wrap my brain around a routine traffic stop turning into an execution. On what planet is starting your engine grounds for being shot in the head?
The victim blaming in this thread is horrendous. The "don't wear revealing clothing" comparison is apt.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The fact that he chose to shoot the guy for not obeying fast enough, then tried to cover it up in the most cartoony way possible answers your question.
B_Spooky13
Member
Yeah the guy never escalated the situation to the point of execution. Maybe some poor choices but nothing for that to happen. Cop should rot in jail
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