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Cincinnati braces for footage release in campus cop killing (Up: Murder charge)
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Or he never put it in park.
Leeroy3101
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What a strong woman. My heart aches for her.
BobTheFork
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I am suddenly convince the charge doesn't matter because this is no longer a cop, it's a 'campus cop'.
Don't worry, the reasons why this isn't a real cop and doesn't reflect on 'real cops' will shortly be spammed at us by talking heads.
Don't worry, the reasons why this isn't a real cop and doesn't reflect on 'real cops' will shortly be spammed at us by talking heads.
I have a friend who was a campus cop before he became a cop. They provide security for the students and also need to deal with assholes at night during patrols around campus. They do very similar things.
GoldenEye 007
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Yeah definitely agreed. From my experience, campus police jurisdiction extends around a few hundred to a thousand feet from the edge of campus. Helpful because that usually includes many off-campus student living complexes. So if it was on an adjacent road, it would make sense for the campus pd to make a stop.
But again, all other aspects of this situation is clear murder. Absolutely baffling.
quickwhips
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campus cops at least in my state are trained at state police academy and are real cops. If you have a gun assigned to you and you can write tickets your a cop.
Uhhh that's not cnn, and when i opened it in mobile it started trying to load the play store then some shitty fake virus pop-ups came up.
So, are cops trained to lie on their reports when things get a little dirty? Both the killer and his partner lied pretty blatantly here. Will his partner face punishment as well?
Edit: I don't think I'll ever believe anything in a police report again if it contradicts a potential victim's statement.
Edit: I don't think I'll ever believe anything in a police report again if it contradicts a potential victim's statement.
Parking violation tickets, school shootings (look up the Virginia Tech massacre), drunk students being rowdy, etc.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
It actually looks like the cop starts to open the door, and he puts his hand on the door to stop it from opening.
Not defending the cop or trying to justify his action (which was very clearly a murder).
Anton Sugar
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It's like the prosecutor said: just let him drive off and take the next action. Whether that's pursuit, calling in backup, calling in local PD, whatever. Him driving off is irrelevant to the use of a firearm if his life really wasn't in danger.
Maybe he can use the ol "I saw him reach for something", although that won't get around his lie and I don't think he tried using that as an excuse in his original statement.
When there's a complete lack of accountability and the guys who are supposed to check you are also corrupt as fuck, this is what you end up with
Where's patrol to tell us how this shooting was justified?
gutterboy44
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I don't get what was to be accomplished? What was the cop going to do by reaching in? Drag the guy out of the car? And then why did he need to shoot him? What was he neutralizing? What a fucking psychopath. He was ready to shoot before he shot. Lock that fucker up for life.
But are they real police or only security guards? Why the citiy police department doesn't take care of the uni? It sounds really strange to me.
This is totally aside from the incident at hand, but:
I went to UC, trust me, we needed our own cops patrolling the streets around campus. I got an email once a week from campus security telling us about students being mugged right off campus. These robberies and crimes weren't happening at 3 am all the time either, they were happening in broad daylight.
If we had to wait for the city cops to show up, we'd be waiting a while. UC cops are there 24/7 and they do a lot to make the students feel safe when they're walking home from night classes or to and from the bars.
I went to UC, trust me, we needed our own cops patrolling the streets around campus. I got an email once a week from campus security telling us about students being mugged right off campus. These robberies and crimes weren't happening at 3 am all the time either, they were happening in broad daylight.
If we had to wait for the city cops to show up, we'd be waiting a while. UC cops are there 24/7 and they do a lot to make the students feel safe when they're walking home from night classes or to and from the bars.
I didn't notice brake lights.
Being that it's hard to tell when (for me, if) the car moved at all, I'm looking to condemn the officer. If the car was never in park, it idled forward.
quickwhips
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Do you have a link to the police report?
Shake Appeal
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American university campuses are often much larger than those in the UK/Europe, have major through-roads, and interweave with non-campus properties (both commercial and residential).
The university I work at has its own department. They operate and are trained exactly the same way as real police; it's just that their jurisdiction largely falls over campus areas and they mostly deal with traffic and parking violations.
Anton Sugar
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I think a pertinent point is that, even if the car was stolen, even if the driver was drunk, even if the driver didn't have a license--the cop's life was not in danger. Dubose could have well broken the law in some way, but it doesn't justify a bullet to the head.
A cop is a cop is a cop. They're full-fledged police where I went to school. (GMU)
Not onhand, I'm just going off what was reported earlier in this thread.
foodtaster
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There's absolutely no proof of this. In fact, the better explanation is that he just never put his car into park, and him being shot resulted in his foot sliding off the brake, propelling his car forward. Watching the video, there's no indication of his shifting into park->drive or drive->park, suggesting it was always in drive. However, if he did shift, it probably was at 0:50 in the Youtube video, either way really, it's irrelevant.
The back of the car is never shown until it has already crashed.
See 0:45s in the Youtube video if you actually believe this. I believe it'll convince you that this did not happen.
ReignofSparrows
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It's really important to note that police can't shoot people in the head for speeding away during traffic stops. That's important because whether the guy put the car in drive or intended to drive away is not going to be clear, but it's irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact the officer was not in immediate danger when he fired the gun, and that's all we need to know.
Some American universities are the size of a big town, 30,000+, with the property to match. Plus a lot of people live on or right next to the campus.
I'm squeamish, so can someone tell me if the video has gore in it? I want to confirm what happened, but I don't want to see someone get a hole in their head
No gore.
Campuses represent a large concentration of people, including a lot of underage drinkers.
Many of these PDs aren't just for the campus but the surrounding houses and businesses (often including several bars since most university districts have a night life of sorts)
Even if you just let the cities police handle it they'd likely need a precinct right by the Campuses in their city anyways.
It's a rather insignificant difference.
BobTheFork
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I would agree. As I said, I'm sure the critical difference will be explained, as soon as they make one up.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Without a doubt. There is no reason he should have ever even unholstered his weapon in this stop.
EdibleKnife
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I'm squeamish, so can someone tell me if the video has gore in it? I want to confirm what happened, but I don't want to see someone get a hole in their head
There's no gore. At least the YouTube one is from a newscast and isn't raw
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Even if the police could do that it still wouldn't matter here because the video shows that the car didn't move until after the shooting.
Veritigo_X
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There is no difference. Especially true with UC Police. They are true blue police officers.
Future PhaZe
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sad part is I doubt he went into the stop with the intent to kill but the perfect blend of idiocy, adrenaline, and straight up lack of professionalism led to it
BlueTsunami
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Seems like the cop escalated things by reaching in the car then. Flips out when there's resistence, and pops some off.
It could easily be part of the officer's defense. It'd be a legal killing if he can argue that letting him flee was an imminent danger to the public. Earlier in the video Dubose passed him a Gin bottle. If the officer can argue that he reasonably thought Dubose was intoxicated and had shifted into drive, that could be a defense.
Whether that actually happened or not, the car not being in park is relevant.
GoldenEye 007
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Yup, same training, requirements, etc. State benefits/pensions, and everything else too.
Shake Appeal
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Pretty sure cops are supposed to tell the driver to put the vehicle in park, to ask them to move slowly for things like their license or seatbelt, and not to just reach into the vehicle themselves.
This cop obviously did none of that. He was fucking up even before he panicked and murdered someone in a heartbeat.
Officerrob
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Yep, not any middle ground here, that's straight-up murder.
Bornstellar
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Absolutely. And holy hell at the people asking why details are relevant. Details provide potential insight into the thought process that resulted in murder.
Shake Appeal
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Are you kidding me.
"The driver had a closed gin bottle, didn't show me his license, and looked like he was about to drive away, so obviously he had to die."
Nothing short of the driver pulling a gun of his own would justify what is shown on this tape.
Exactly.
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