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[Mr Moose]

The same people who were calling FF7 and FF16 a flop now calling Doom TDA a success are weird. Both Final Fantasy debuted in 2nd for their launch month like Doom. Both FF were higher in the YTD chart too. FF7 was 7th while Doom is 16th. Think about that.

Remember Starfield?

 

[Kacho]

Nintendo will have bangers in the top 10 by the end of the year.

 

[Mr Moose]

Nintendo will have bangers in the top 10 by the end of the year.

June will be interesting. NPD don't include bunduru games and Nintendo don't share digital.

 

[adamsapple]

That's why it's important to avoid kneejerk reactions and be patient. It takes a few months to see how games truly do.

Correct.

With FF16 and Rebirth, they were deemed as under performing by Square Enix themselves.




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With Doom: TDA, it was somewhat prematurely deemed a flop on GAF by some folks but seems to have done pretty good at retail in its launch month along with being a day 1 GamePass game as well. We'll see how Bethesda labels it later in the year.

 

[Kacho]

June will be interesting. NPD don't include bunduru games and Nintendo don't share digital.

Yeah, dude. I can't wait for June/

 

[Heisenberg007]

No....I'm not sure. No one can be sure without actual numbers. When I look at the games Doom was up against during the month and still managed to get as high in the charts as it did then I have a hard time seeing how anyone says it flopped. Couple that with the effects of the game being on a subscription which is known to eat sales then, for me, it did better than I expected. That's not saying the game is a huge hit. There are levels between hit and flop and I don't see this as a flop.

Definitely not a bomb, like Hellblade 2 or South of Midnight, but below average and expectations.

I see it this way:

- Elden Ring Nightreign is above it with 3.5 million copies sold. So Doom would have sold between 2 and 3 million copies, realistically. Not a great start.
- Forza Horizon 5 launched on PS5 on April 29 and outsold Doom in YTD sales chart. Doom launched on all 3 platforms in May and still ranked below FH5.

So more people on PS5 alone bought FH5 than PS5+XBS+PC people bought Doom.

Again, not a huge flop as it was looking initially, but worse than Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal and definitely below par. With the rising dev costs and decreased sales, not sure how generous the current Microsoft will be with this and iD.

 

[Three]

I think the expectations for DOOM and FF widely differ. Did any DOOM game ever sell 10M+? You sorta expect an FF game to do much much better than DOOM.

Which is fair enough but FF did much higher numbers than Doom too. Doom had hit 3M players in 3 weeks across PC/Xbox/PS5 (and on gamepass). FF hit 3M copies sold in 1 week on PS5 alone. It's still doing better numbers.

 

[Baemono]

Correct.

With FF16 and Rebirth, they were deemed as under performing by Square Enix themselves.




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With Doom: TDA, it was somewhat prematurely deemed a flop on GAF by some folks but seems to have done pretty good at retail in its launch month along with being a day 1 GamePass game as well. We'll see how Bethesda labels it later in the year.

It's hard to approve a Mochizuki post but I must agree with Daniel Ahmad.

I don't think Doom is a flop, and I still wait (hope) for a Switch 2 port

 

[Kacho]

South of Midnight

Oh shit, remember that game? Lolololol

Avowed dropped this year too. Absolutely ghosted.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I think the expectations for DOOM and FF widely differ. Did any DOOM game ever sell 10M+? You sorta expect an FF game to do much much better than DOOM.

It probably sold about 1M across all platforms for May.

 

[phant0m]

TDA not actually a bomba, good to know, I'm gonna give it a try sometime

Buying a single-player only game because it was a sales success is a pretty wild take imo

 

[phant0m]

Doom did okay I guess, 16th of the year is nothing to write home about

I mean for only being on sale for like 20 days I'd say it is. If this was EOY charts then yeah, 16th wouldn't be smashing.

Anywho, can't wait for NeoGAF PRO analysts to tell me how AC Shadows being #3 for the year is still colossal failure

 

[mckmas8808]

Not all doom and gloom for MS. Their 3rd party publisher aspirations are going strong.

Of course it is. There's literally no way MS could spend $80 Billion on acquiring multiple publishers and then put those same games out on all platforms and it NOT do great. Did anyone think it wouldn't?

 

[calico]

Shadows overhauled by a stealth Oblivion remaster which released on Game Pass??

It's (still) ahead of nothing it shouldn't be comfortably ahead of and now behind a game it should also be comfortably ahead of.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Of course it is. There's literally no way MS could spend $80 Billion on acquiring multiple publishers and then put those same games out on all platforms and it NOT do great. Did anyone think it wouldn't?

I think MS will progressively make it all worse, but I expected it to do well at first.

 

[Ebrietas]

Of course it is. There's literally no way MS could spend $80 Billion on acquiring multiple publishers and then put those same games out on all platforms and it NOT do great. Did anyone think it wouldn't?

These threads always deliver the wildest takes. When you buy two prolific publishers it shouldn't be a shock when more of "your" games magically start appearing in the charts.

I think the xbro defense force should spend less time trying to convince the Sony fans and more time convincing MS how great their first party is. Apparently they didn't get the memo given all the mass firings they are doing.

 

[Mr Moose]

Shadows overhauled by a stealth Oblivion remaster which released on Game Pass??

It's (still) ahead of nothing it shouldn't be comfortably ahead of and now behind a game it should also be comfortably ahead of.

 

[PeteBull]

Yep, Shadows is above good sellers such as Split Fiction, Kingdom Come Deliverance II and BO6. Funny, you don't hear a peep from the usual suspects. Seems it's doing decently in the US at least.

Its all in proportion to games budget, same way gta6 would be big flop selling only 50m copies coz its budget is humongous, cant compare flagship AC games sales with its humongous budget to games with relatively small budget/not that many ppl in the dev team
So comparisions to KCD2 or SF are not valid, comparision to BO6 is valid here, but again keep in mind it launched 25oct 2024 so if u only take its 2025 sales ofc it wont be as much as AC:S that launched this year

Ultimate proof of AC:S doing poorly is ubi stopping bragging after 3m active players announcement.

 

[Kacho]

Shadows overhauled by a stealth Oblivion remaster which released on Game Pass??

It's (still) ahead of nothing it shouldn't be comfortably ahead of and now behind a game it should also be comfortably ahead of.

Its all in proportion to games budget, same way gta6 would be big flop selling only 50m copies coz its budget is humongous, cant compare flagship AC games sales with its humongous budget to games with relatively small budget/not that many ppl in the dev team
So comparisions to KCD2 or SF are not valid, comparision to BO6 is valid here, but again keep in mind it launched 25oct 2024 so if u only take its 2025 sales ofc it wont be as much as AC:S that launched this year

Ultimate proof of AC:S doing poorly is ubi stopping bragging after 3m active players announcement.

It's about that time, boys

 

[mckmas8808]

Last year Xbox was being outsold 4:1 globally

Now it's 3:1 in its "stronghold"

Absolute collapse

This is BRUTAL!

To be fair, I doubt many people follow closely enough to know the May report was delayed.

I think we're getting the June report in a couple weeks. Busy month.

Thanks for this info. I was wondering the same as others for a second.

Crazy to see that AC Shadows is the 3rd best selling game this year so far.

And this does not count Uplay+ subscriptions.

It does NOT count UPlay+ Subs

Yep, Shadows is above good sellers such as Split Fiction, Kingdom Come Deliverance II and BO6. Funny, you don't hear a peep from the usual suspects. Seems it's doing decently in the US at least.

Yeah about that. AC: Shadows supposedly went woke, yet it selling great! How is that possible? LOL!

The same people who were calling FF7 and FF16 a flop now calling Doom TDA a success are weird. Both Final Fantasy debuted in 2nd for their launch month like Doom. Both FF were higher in the YTD chart too. FF7 was 7th while Doom is 16th. Think about that.

Call them all out! They are frauds!

 

[BennyBlanco]

From's A Team Miyazaki directed kino Duskbloods will blow the doors of Nightreign. I'm actually surprised how much people like Neightreign. The beta was terrible imo.

 

[mckmas8808]

So what do we expect Xbox Series consoles to sell next month in June, if it did 70K in May?

North or South of 50K?

 

[Fake]

South of Midnight is really a garbage game, so I don't think Doom should be in that territory.

 

[ElFenomeno]

So what do we expect Xbox Series consoles to sell next month in June, if it did 70K in May?

North or South of 50K?

They should be happy with 35k. I don't see it more than that.

 

[Vlodril]

People equating position in the charts with good numbers (which we don't have) is weird. Or rather fanboyish i guess. I wish this industry was more forthcoming with it's sales.

 

[Gaiff]

Its all in proportion to games budget, same way gta6 would be big flop selling only 50m copies coz its budget is humongous, cant compare flagship AC games sales with its humongous budget to games with relatively small budget/not that many ppl in the dev team
So comparisions to KCD2 or SF are not valid, comparision to BO6 is valid here, but again keep in mind it launched 25oct 2024 so if u only take its 2025 sales ofc it wont be as much as AC:S that launched this year

It's doing better than pretty much every game aside from the very obvious Monster Hunter Wilds and Oblivion Remastered, which was behind before.

Ultimate proof of AC:S doing poorly is ubi stopping bragging after 3m active players announcement.

Ubisoft didn't even give the numbers for Valhalla. It said 1.8M players by November 17 2020, and then you heard nothing until February 2022 where they said the game had grossed $1B in revenues. We then had to wait until the fiscal report of 2024-2025 for them to reveal it had recorded the highest revenue on the first day for the franchise. Besides, seeing it at number 3 clearly tells us it's way past 3M, yet Ubisoft didn't update us. Don't let the facts fool you though.

 

[PeteBull]

People equating position in the charts with good numbers (which we don't have) is weird. Or rather fanboyish i guess. I wish this industry was more forthcoming with it's sales.

Whole reason/point to mat piscatela doing those cover up info is so more ppl subscribe to his company's service, ofc he will be vague af, just so more ppl spend money on the sub to get real info, true alfa dog move is to see trough his scraps of info and reach proper conclusion w/o the need to pay him to see all the data, basically un-spin his spinning

 

[drganon]

Remember Starfield?

The remembering is massive and growing.

 

[calico]

Do we think Oblivion will overtake Wilds too? Enthusiasm for Wilds seemed to fizzle out quicker than expected after the launch window.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Microsoft is killing it!

 

[EN250]

Buying a single-player only game because it was a sales success is a pretty wild take imo

Yeah, should have supported the game from day 1, but didn't/don't have the time, heard that it flopped, but I'm relieved to know it didn't, at least in America

 

[Gaiff]

Which is fair enough but FF did much higher numbers than Doom too. Doom had hit 3M players in 3 weeks across PC/Xbox/PS5 (and on gamepass). FF hit 3M copies sold in 1 week on PS5 alone. It's still doing better numbers.

I don't think TDA is doing particularly well either. If you were to ask me, I'd also said it underperformed, but it's hard to know without knowing the expectations.

SE is kind of retarded though. They probably saw BOTW numbers and figured FF used to outsell Zelda, so surely, they can also do 30M+.

 

[mckmas8808]

I don't think TDA is doing particularly well either. If you were to ask me, I'd also said it underperformed, but it's hard to know without knowing the expectations.

SE is kind of retarded though. They probably saw BOTW numbers and figured FF used to outsell Zelda, so surely, they can also do 30M+.

There's no way in the world TDA flopped though. Many people on GAF were/are wrong about that. That much we know for sure now.

 

[Kacho]

Do we think Oblivion will overtake Wilds too? Enthusiasm for Wilds seemed to fizzle out quicker than expected after the launch window.

I doubt it. Wilds had a huge initial burst before bad WOM spread. There's an ocean between that and the rest of the games on the list.

I'd say Oblivion immediately jumping past AssCreed is the more interesting note for May.

 

[powder]

I thought Düm The Dark Ages flopped?

 

[Lucifers Beard]

I'm surprised to see Nightreign doing so well. It's not for me, but it's good to see Fromsoft doing well!

 

[powder]

Sony running to Kadokawa again

 

[viveks86]

There's no way in the world TDA flopped though. Many people on GAF were/are wrong about that. That much we know for sure now.

Yeah. At the minimum, it isn't all Doom and gloom

 

[ByWatterson]

Is Expedition 33 not reporting sales to Circana?

 

[Topher]

People equating position in the charts with good numbers (which we don't have) is weird. Or rather fanboyish i guess. I wish this industry was more forthcoming with it's sales.

We can make some educated guesses, particularly for games that have shown up on the charts multiple months. But you are right.....we can't say factually that the numbers are good. We can only speculate.

 

[calico]

Is Expedition 33 not reporting sales to Circana?

Reporting physical sales only iirc.

 

[mckmas8808]

We can make some educated guesses, particularly for games that have shown up on the charts multiple months. But you are right.....we can't say factually that the numbers are good. We can only speculate.

But we can say for sure that TDA didn't flop and burn. GAF was too quick on that narrative.

 

[Topher]

But we can say for sure that TDA didn't flop and burn. GAF was too quick on that narrative.

Folks are putting far too much weight into Steam CCUs right off the bat these days. Just because a game doesn't set Steam on fire doesn't mean it won't perform better elsewhere.

 

[calico]

Nothing here would make me bullish about Doom.

 

[demigod]

Welfare Estimates:

• PS5: ~225K
• NSW: ~75K
• XBS: ~70K

 

[adamsapple]

Folks are putting far too much weight into Steam CCUs right off the bat these days. Just because a game doesn't set Steam on fire doesn't mean it won't perform better elsewhere.

But watch as this sage advice goes down the drain whenever the next steam CCU thread is made.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Did yall think Doom sold zero copies? It didn't shudder the studio yet. That's the biggest win you're gonna get. Sales like these are unsustainable for 1st party AAA games. Nice to see Elden Ring continue to dominate all things.

 

[Ozriel]

Did yall think Doom sold zero copies? It didn't shudder the studio yet. That's the biggest win you're gonna get. Sales like these are unsustainable for 1st party AAA games.

I see you've gotten your hands on sales and dev cost data. Do share.

 

[Woopah]

June will be interesting. NPD don't include bunduru games and Nintendo don't share digital.

MK's $80 price tag will help though. I do wonder how high it can go though without bundles or digital` though.

 

[yogaflame]

Good numbers for Doom, well deserved. It silence the bashers. Ps5 truly won this generation since sw2 is already considered as next gen. For sure June is for Nintendo switch 2 since it is its launch month.