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[Rivdoric]

We need to have sales numbers and the budget to know either way.

I think at this point, exact sales number for AC Shadows is FBI classified secret.

 

[Topher]

We need to have sales numbers and the budget to know either way.

Topping the US sales charts and being second YTD isn't enough to say "not a flop"? Come on.

 

[Kilau]

Topping the US sales charts and being second YTD isn't enough to say "not a flop"? Come on.

Depends on your definition of flop I suppose. A product can sell a lot units but still be unprofitable if costs outweigh revenue.

 

[PeteBull]

I think at this point, exact sales number for AC Shadows is FBI classified secret.

If ubi had some solid number they would post it, there is a reason they stopped bragging after official info of 3m players worldwide, game isnt a flop obviously, but it doesnt look like big success either, with time we will get actual info, no worries, like always us avg mortals just gotta be patient and thats quality we dont lack here xD

Putting things into perspective, that crazy bugged and awfully performing cp2077 had official info of 13m sold copies 2weeks after launch, with all the refunds, controversy, worldwide known youtubers like yangyea removing their reviews of the game, no next gen consoles patch and such

'Cyberpunk 2077' sold 13 million copies in its first two weeks, despite refunds and controversy

As the dust begins to settle on 'Cyberpunk 2077', what has the gaming community learned from it?For one, hype is never real and should never be trusted. The ex...

entertainment.ie

Wonder why we didnt get official info of 10m sold copies or at least 10m active players here in AC:S case, i mean mr Piscatella is claiming such an overwhelming success after all

 

[graywolf323]

nice to see that Suikoden & XCX charted

 

[Kacho]

Current gen hardware is struggling. Not even the PS5 Pro can stem the bleeding.

Verdict is still out on Shadows. Hitting #1 in a dead month is expected and its legs will likely be terrible. Still haven't seen convincing data that it's a success. PR has gone silent since the x million players stuff. Yikes.

Xenoblade performed about as expected I guess. Didn't move the needle.

 

[Topher]

Depends on your definition of flop I suppose. A product can sell a lot units but still be unprofitable if costs outweigh revenue.

I can't recall ever seeing a game that topped the Circana charts being called a flop. We never see the budgets for the vast majority of games which is why profitability of each game isn't part of the discussion. Why would it be now?

 

[asdasdasdbb]

I can't recall ever seeing a game that topped the Circana charts being called a flop.

FF7 Rebirth

 

[Ozriel]

Or there might be a reason why they don't disclose digital sales for that title on Xbox. Maybe because it's insignificant, just like it's physical sales on Xbox.

 

[Kilau]

If ubi had some solid number they would post it, there is a reason they stopped bragging after official info of 3m players worldwide, game isnt a flop obviously, but it doesnt look like big success either, with time we will get actual info, no worries, like always us avg mortals just gotta be patient and thats quality we dont lack here xD

Putting things into perspective, that crazy bugged and awfully performing cp2077 had official info of 13m sold copies 2weeks after launch, with all the refunds, controversy, worldwide known youtubers like yangyea removing their reviews of the game, no next gen consoles patch and such

'Cyberpunk 2077' sold 13 million copies in its first two weeks, despite refunds and controversy

As the dust begins to settle on 'Cyberpunk 2077', what has the gaming community learned from it?For one, hype is never real and should never be trusted. The ex...

entertainment.ie

Wonder why we didnt get official info of 10m sold copies or at least 10m active players here in AC:S case, i mean mr Piscatella is claiming such an overwhelming success after all

Not really a fair comparison with CP2077 because Ubisoft doesn't seem to give sales numbers. Even AC Valhalla was 20 million "players". They did say $1billion revenue for Valhalla but that would include mtx and revenue isn't profit.

 

[PeteBull]

Not really a fair comparison with CP2077 because Ubisoft doesn't seem to give sales numbers. Even AC Valhalla was 20 million "players". They did say $1billion revenue for Valhalla but that would include mtx and revenue isn't profit.

Its not fair, its in favour of ubi, coz their 20m active players would still bring less revenue than 20m sold copies, but once again, we didnt get 20m active players, nor 10, nor even 5m

 

[Ozriel]

FF7 Rebirth

Entered the chart at #2.

 

[Topher]

FF7 Rebirth

Well....technically it came in second that month, but point taken.

 

[Kilau]

I can't recall ever seeing a game that topped the Circana charts being called a flop. We never see the budgets for the vast majority of games which is why profitability of each game isn't part of the discussion. Why would it be now?

I didn't say it was a flop but something can be number 1 for a period of time and still not turn a profit. I'm not sure why profit isn't considered, it absolutely should be and is considered when discussing the actual success of a product.

 

[QLQ]

Confirmed. Assassin's Creed Shadows is NOT a flop

 

[Topher]

I didn't say it was a flop but something can be number 1 for a period of time and still not turn a profit. I'm not sure why profit isn't considered, it absolutely should be and is considered when discussing the actual success of a product.

It should be considered if we have that information, but we don't.

 

[Kilau]

Its not fair, its in favour of ubi, coz their 20m active players would still bring less revenue than 20m sold copies, but once again, we didnt get 20m active players, nor 10, nor even 5m

I'm just saying we should only hold Ubi to the standard they set, not to what other publishers do. If Ubi had always given sales numbers until now then yeah, roast em.

 

[Topher]

 

[Kilau]

It should be considered if we have that information, but we don't.

So then back to my original point, we can't say it's a success or failure yet.

 

[Topher]

So then back to my original point, we can't say it's a success or failure yet.

Then we can never say that that about any game.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Strong performance indeed.

True its good performance, being a gamepass title with relatively smaller budget.

 

[Kilau]

Then we can never say that that about any game.

We do get that information on some games sometimes many years later and sometimes through leaked/hacked data.

 

[Topher]

We do get that information on some games sometimes many years later and sometimes through leaked/hacked data.

True. It is rare, but it does happen.

 

[Woopah]

Or there might be a reason why they don't disclose digital sales for that title on Xbox. Maybe because it's insignificant, just like it's physical sales on Xbox.

There's no need for these conspiracy theories. Major League Baseball didn't make this decision specifically to protect Xbox.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

True its good performance, being a gamepass title with relatively smaller budget.

That's the benefit of setting the bar real low.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Or there might be a reason why they don't disclose digital sales for that title on Xbox. Maybe because it's insignificant, just like it's physical sales on Xbox.

There's no conspiracy. MLB, which is the publisher for the Xbox and Switch versions of MLB The Show 25, is not providing digital sales data to Circana.

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Buy MLB® The Show™ 25 and shop other great Nintendo products online at the official My Nintendo Store.

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As for why it shows up on PS? It's because SIE publishes that version themselves and is part of the Circana Digital Data Sharing Participating Publishers.

MLB® The Show™ 25

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store.playstation.com

 

[PeteBull]

I'm just saying we should only hold Ubi to the standard they set, not to what other publishers do. If Ubi had always given sales numbers until now then yeah, roast em.

U keep trying to hide lack of info from ubi, they dont have to give number of sold copies worldwide, thats fine, supposedly plenty ppl subbed to ubi service to play the game, so they can give us some 10m active players or dunno 600m usd revenue number, something tangible like they announced 3m active players back then.
Lack of official info besides initial 3m active players shows ubi has something to hide, and what could that be? We cant be 100% sure as of yet, but what we assuming is subpar worldwide performance of the game, we dont know if we are right yet but thats our suspicion.

 

[thismeinteil]

Yes? Shadows ranked 3rd in revenue for the franchise but it could have ranked lower than the previous titles in terms of unit sales? Units sales would have gotten us a better understanding of the games success. Its pretty obvious imh why unit sales comparison are better than dollar sales for games in the same franchise rankings.

Well, we do know AC3 sold ~3M units in its first month, and that's with a late PC release. It also has competition from COD and Halo 4.

Shadows had very little competition and launched the same day on PC, and we only got 3M players, which still hasn't been updated. I'd imagine it only sold ~1.5M in March.

As much as people like to beat their chests about chart position and engagement numbers, it doesn't paint the most positive picture for its performance. Especially since MLB beat in on PS5. Ubisoft financials should tell more.

 

[Kilau]

U keep trying to hide lack of info from ubi, they dont have to give number of sold copies worldwide, thats fine, supposedly plenty ppl subbed to ubi service to play the game, so they can give us some 10m active players or dunno 600m usd revenue number, something tangible like they announced 3m active players back then.
Lack of official info besides initial 3m active players shows ubi has something to hide, and what could that be? We cant be 100% sure as of yet, but what we assuming is subpar worldwide performance of the game, we dont know if we are right yet but thats our suspicion.

I'm not trying to hide anything. The lack of press could indicate a softer performance and a monthly ranking with no numbers doesn't tell us much otherwise.

 

[yazenov]

There's no need for these conspiracy theories. Major League Baseball didn't make this decision specifically to protect Xbox.

There's no conspiracy. MLB, which is the publisher for the Xbox and Switch versions of MLB The Show 25, is not providing digital sales data to Circana.

The series was introduced to the Xbox platform and released on Gamepass on day one for MLB The show 2023 I believe? This year's version is the 1st for Xbox without a day one Gamepass launch.

When you've trained your audience to rent games for cheap instead of buying them, chances are they wont buy the latest version and wait for the game to come to Gamepass instead. Its not rocket science guys. The Xbox sales for this series is a non factor.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

The series was introduced to the Xbox platform and released on Gamepass on day one for since MLB The show 2023? This year's version is the 1st without a day one Gamepass launch.

When you've trained your audience to rent games for cheap instead of buying them, chances are they wont buy the latest version and wait for the game to come to Gamepass. Its not rocket science guys.

But how do you explain College Football doing very well on Xbox Series? All EA games go into Game Pass Ultimate 6 - 12 months after release so why are these Xbox users buying the game and the more pricey bundle instead of just waiting for the game to drop on GPU?

 

[Woopah]

The series was introduced to the Xbox platform and released on Gamepass on day one for MLB The show 2023 I believe? This year's version is the 1st for Xbox without a day one Gamepass launch.

When you've trained your audience to rent games for cheap instead of buying them, chances are they wont buy the latest version and wait for the game to come to Gamepass instead. Its not rocket science guys. The Xbox sales for this series is a non factor.

The level of sales of the game on Xbox is completely unrelated to Circana not having digital data.

 

[yazenov]

But how do you explain College Football doing very well on Xbox Series? All EA games go into Game Pass Ultimate 6 - 12 months after release so why are these Xbox users buying the game and the more pricey bundle instead of just waiting for the game to drop on GPU?

For MLB the show specifically, this was always a PlayStation game first and foremost as it a exclusive to PS up until 3 years ago. No chance that the splits for this game is lower than 90% to 10% in favor of the PS, given the huge userbase difference and the franchise history on PlayStation. We've seen 80/20 splits for many multiplatform games as an example in the Euro charts and UK charts. As I said, the Xbox share for this game is insignificant, especially when it comes to games associated with Playstation.

 

[mckmas8808]

We can move on now with AC Shadows "controversy"? They could have put "it's maam" as the main character and it'd have sold well, because the brand (Assassin's Creed) has its following no matter how many times Ubislop fumbles the releases, some brands when too big, can escape the "go broke" rhetoric

Or............maybe the "Go Broke" narrative is wrong. And the bad so-called "Woke Games" that don't sell are just bad games in general.

The series was introduced to the Xbox platform and released on Gamepass on day one for MLB The show 2023 I believe? This year's version is the 1st for Xbox without a day one Gamepass launch.

When you've trained your audience to rent games for cheap instead of buying them, chances are they wont buy the latest version and wait for the game to come to Gamepass instead. Its not rocket science guys. The Xbox sales for this series is a non factor.

Facts!

For MLB the show specifically, this was always a PlayStation game first and foremost as it a exclusive to PS up until 3 years ago. No chance that the splits for this game is lower than 90% to 10% in favor of the PS, given the huge userbase difference and the franchise history on PlayStation. We've seen 80/20 splits for many multiplatform games as an example in the Euro charts and UK charts. As I said, the Xbox share for this game is insignificant, especially when it comes to games associated with Playstation.

Exactly! Not sure why people are acting like what you are saying is crazy.

 

[yazenov]

Or............maybe the "Go Broke" narrative is wrong. And the bad so-called "Woke Games" that don't sell are just bad games in general.



Facts!



Exactly! Not sure why people are acting like what you are saying is crazy.

I seem to remember not too long ago saying Gamepass affects game sales was considered a conspiracy theory and gets you banned in some places

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

For MLB the show specifically, this was always a PlayStation game first and foremost as it a exclusive to PS up until 3 years ago. No chance that the splits for this game is lower than 90% to 10% in favor of the PS, given the hue userbase difference and the franchise history on PlayStation. We've seen 80/20 splits for many multiplatform games as an example in the Euro charts and UK charts. As I said, the Xbox share for this game is insignificant.

I don't think you can apply platform splits from the UK and/or Europe, where the Xbox Series is struggling to move units, to the US, where the XBS is slightly behind the XBO, but is still selling decently enough.

Anyways, MLB is an American-centric sport and should sell very well on console, regardless of whether it's on PS5 or XBS.

 

[mckmas8808]

I seem to remember not too long ago saying Gamepass affects game sales was considered a conspiracy theory and gets you banned in some places

Funny how things change.

 

[yazenov]

I don't think you can apply platform splits from the UK and/or Europe, where the Xbox Series is struggling to move units, to the US, where the XBS is slightly behind the XBO, but is still selling decently enough.

Anyways, MLB is an American-centric sport and should sell very well on console, regardless of whether it's on PS5 or XBS.

Ok I'll play ball. What do you realistically think the sales percent splits are for this game in the US?

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Ok I'll play ball. What do you realistically think the sales percent splits are for this game in the US?

Well, I just don't think the platform splits are that lopsided in favor of the PS5, even when accounting for what you've said (and yes, I don't think anyone would deny that the PS5 is the best selling SKU for the game)

For MLB the show specifically, this was always a PlayStation game first and foremost as it a exclusive to PS up until 3 years ago. No chance that the splits for this game is lower than 90% to 10% in favor of the PS, given the huge userbase difference and the franchise history on PlayStation. We've seen 80/20 splits for many multiplatform games as an example in the Euro charts and UK charts. As I said, the Xbox share for this game is insignificant, especially when it comes to games associated with Playstation.

 

[yazenov]

Well, I just don't think the platform splits are that lopsided in favor of the PS5, even when accounting for what you've said (and yes, I don't think anyone would deny that the PS5 is the best selling SKU for the game)

Ok cool. But give me a number? It's just an assumption, no pressure. Mine is 90% to 10% in favor of PS. What's yours?

 

[Goalus]

PlayStation 5 hardware dollar sales fell 26% in March vs YA,

Ooof...

Digital only SKUs have accounted for 75% of Xbox Series and 50% of PlayStation 5 hardware units sold year-to-date.

Interesting.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Ok cool. But give me a number? It's just an assumption, no pressure. Mine is 90% to 10% in favor of PS. What's yours?

I don't really have enough data to give a number since I haven't kept track of the rankings in the US Xbox Store for this year's MLB when it released back in March (I'm not even sure if their top paid games list is ordered by revenue just like it's on PSN). As for physical sales, Xbox users prefer digital a lot more than PS users, so it would kinda be pointless for example to look at how well the Series X MLB SKU is selling compared to the PS5 MLB SKU on Amazon US.

If I were to give you my platform splits, it would just be pure speculation on my part, just like yours is. :/

 

[calico]

This is about the 5th thread using some variety of 'it outperformed MLB The Show' as the benchmark for 'proving' how successful Shadows was. Kinda funny that this is how low the bar has to be set for Shadows to be declared a success.

 

[EDMIX]

I see this game being number 1 has hurt many feelings lol

So much for folks buying a fucking video game for a history lesson. Who would have thought that AC gamers where out here buying games to play for fun? wild!

What did we learn?

 

[drganon]

Ooof...

Interesting.

Don't look at Xbox hw sales.

 

[Goalus]

Don't look at Xbox hw sales.

Wow, I am surprised you are able to talk.

 

[drganon]

Wow, I am surprised you are able to talk.

I'm surprised you're still here. Must be hard these days being such a pathetic green rat.

 

[DannyDanger]

MLB The Show not being in the top 10 on Xbox after been removed from GamePass shows they never cared about it.

Huh?!? It's not on Gamepass? I assumed it was and that was reason nobody bought it. Side note, Sony might as well start making more sports games, seems like a gold mine.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Side note, Sony might as well start making more sports games, seems like a gold mine.

The license is a big deal apparently. The People Who Buy Yearly Sports Games want the teams and updated rosters.

 

[Woopah]

Exactly! Not sure why people are acting like what you are saying is crazy.

Saying sales of The Show on Xbox might be low is completely fine.

Saying "there might be a reason why they don't disclose digital sales for that title on Xbox. Maybe because it's insignificant, just like it's physical sales on Xbox." is a baseless conspiracy theory.