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Civilization V |OT| of Losing My Religion, And I Feel Fine...
- Thread starter XiaNaphryz
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The Amazon reviews are great, I've been laughing my ass off for the past few minutes going over them. Most of these people don't understand why they hate Steam, barring the ones that are complaining about not being able to buy or sell a product they purchased.Akia said:
I truly believe a good portion, if not majority, of Civ players aren't ardent gamers. They play Civ religiously and maybe a few other titles - and that's it. There's no other way to explain the shellshock these souls are expressing.
Mr. Luchador
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Need 
Bloody European date. Suppose you American guys need a good head start :lol
Bloody European date. Suppose you American guys need a good head start :lolplayed this pretty-much all day yesterday. dozens of crashes/freezes. combat dynamic is so very good. lots of the other stuff i feel i still don't have a full grasp of, but overall seems like the endgame will be much less annoying, where you normally have far too many units in play (i only made it into the middle ages or so).
do you always get pop-up ads when you start the steam client? - that's awful.
do you always get pop-up ads when you start the steam client? - that's awful.
graywolf323
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XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Not surprising, given some of his negative impressions in previews. Isn't he one of the more hardcore Civ player types?graywolf323 said:
ChoklitReign
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Are there any reviews from casual players? I need to know if it's easier to improve from Civ IV.
I actually agree with most of his complaints even though I don't ascribe nearly as much importance to them. I fully expected the CivFanatics-types to give the mechanics a huge MEH (or worse) until at least a few patches in so that's no surprise. More important to me are some of the interface and diplomacy issues he discusses.XiaNaphryz said:
was definitely having too much fun with units and combat to delve too deeply into some of the other systems... so there may be issues there. the game is definitely *way* too buggy for release and should have been tested more.
i didn't realize that the social policy stuff was all permanent buffs... that's too bad. i figured you'd be able to mix-and-match them a bit as time went on ("once upon a time, our culture cared about liberty - those days are long past").
happiness seemed poorly explained too, though i was chocking that up to too much combat fun and not a lack of clarity in the system itself. it's unfortunate if there's not enough info to properly micromanage these systems.
horrid bugs notwithstanding, the game gave a pretty good first impression.
i didn't realize that the social policy stuff was all permanent buffs... that's too bad. i figured you'd be able to mix-and-match them a bit as time went on ("once upon a time, our culture cared about liberty - those days are long past").
happiness seemed poorly explained too, though i was chocking that up to too much combat fun and not a lack of clarity in the system itself. it's unfortunate if there's not enough info to properly micromanage these systems.
horrid bugs notwithstanding, the game gave a pretty good first impression.
This is what I did this afternon, takes five minutes max. The instructions are for Borderlands, but it works the same http://gamesync.net/2009/10/28/how-to-access-borderlands-on-steam-now/Dommel said:
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Mutagenic said:
I'm forced to agree with him, too. I've only played for about 4 hours, but civilizations definitely feel a lot less unique to me than they did in Civ IV. Maybe my opinion will change as I go on, but that is my current impression.
ChoklitReign said:
Most reviews are from casual players. It seems like a lot of reviewers are trying to pretend they know what they are talking about but for the most part they're all just parroting the same talking points. Civ 5 is setup for new/casual players, it's the more fanatic players that some of the changes are really grating against. Not because things are changed but there is definitely some problems with how they designed the game. Then again the difference between the original Civ4 and the patched BTS expansion for Civ4 is quite substantial as well. I've put a lot of hours into Civ 1,2 and 4 and I'm waiting a few months for things to be ironed out before I consider purchasing it, Civ4 is a better experience for what I'm looking for. For new/casual players jump into Civ5 instead for sure.
Hari Seldon
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I agree with Tom Chick about the social policies. Although I haven't played that much of the game yet just having 3 hours of gametime so far. I definitely prefer civics + religion to social policies. The idea that you can never change your civilizations government is really silly and not historically accurate or gameplay fun.
I am not sure I agree with him about the combat AI (although I have only played 3 hours). I assume that if they made AI as good as a real war game it would not be as fun since in a real war game the units are balanced in some way. If the AI was awesome and they were 1 tech higher than you in Civ, you would get demolished, which while historically accurate would not be much fun.
I am not sure I agree with him about the combat AI (although I have only played 3 hours). I assume that if they made AI as good as a real war game it would not be as fun since in a real war game the units are balanced in some way. If the AI was awesome and they were 1 tech higher than you in Civ, you would get demolished, which while historically accurate would not be much fun.
So I played the demo. I've gone from not at all wanting this game because of it being on Steamworks, to accepting Steam as my new daddy and really really wanting this game, to playing the demo and realizing I'm not so crazy about it.
Admittedly, I'm playing it on a slightly outdated system, e8400 and 4850. It just feels sluggish. It's not that the framerate drops or anything, I can't really put my finger on it, it just feels a little bit slow.
So now I'll probably wait for a sale. Not expecting much this Xmas sale though since it'll be so new, maybe next Xmas.
I did reinstall Civ 4 today though, will be playing that now instead.
Admittedly, I'm playing it on a slightly outdated system, e8400 and 4850. It just feels sluggish. It's not that the framerate drops or anything, I can't really put my finger on it, it just feels a little bit slow.
So now I'll probably wait for a sale. Not expecting much this Xmas sale though since it'll be so new, maybe next Xmas.
I did reinstall Civ 4 today though, will be playing that now instead.
Takeda Kenshi
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graywolf323 said:
Tom, this is one of those rare situations where you and I are in 100% agreement. Well done, lad.
Ysiadmihi said:
Dumbed down is the wrong phrase. Dumbed down would mean that this game was changed to appeal to people whom would have found CIV 4 to be too complicated. The word you're looking for is ""streamlined" . Which is exactly what they did to CIV 4 when you compare it to 3.
graywolf323
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iam220 said:
wasn't 3 also a lot more streamlined than 2?
I know a guy that refuses to play any of the Civ games after 2 because he thinks they became too "n00b friendly" :lol
I'm have dual monitors. Monitor on the left shows my desktop, monitor on the right is playing Civilization V.
Problem is, I cannot scroll to the left in the game by dragging my mouse over to that side of the screen because the mouse pointer just moves onto my desktop as if I was playing in a windowed mode.
I have fullscreen checked, I don't know why it is doing this. Anyone know?
Problem is, I cannot scroll to the left in the game by dragging my mouse over to that side of the screen because the mouse pointer just moves onto my desktop as if I was playing in a windowed mode.
I have fullscreen checked, I don't know why it is doing this. Anyone know?
Hari Seldon
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iam220 said:
From what I remember Civ 3 had an insane amount of micro management that it just did not remain fun after a while. I need more time in Civ 5 before I can judge it against the rest of the series.
graywolf323
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iam220 said:
I got into the series with Civ 3 so I don't know either
Ysiadmihi said:
It would be silly if the game left no room for random chance, just like you can win battles that are indicated as losses. Realistically it makes more sense anyway, how many times in history has a large enemy force lost to a smaller one due to certain conditions on the day or other random thing.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
You got a bad roll in that one combat, that's all. Sometimes you'll also win a combat you're supposed to lose. I don't think even the most hardcore wargames out there completely remove randomness.Ysiadmihi said: