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COMICS! |OT| June 2016. The Manhattan Project
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Unfortunately, Marvel just recently realized it needs to start representing race and gender more equally in their titles, so I think we're a little ways off before we see them commit to actually doing the same with their creative staff, not to mention showing they're not afraid to have LGBT characters more prominent than on their fringe titles.
I wouldn't go that far because Marvel has quite a few female and minority creators working for them now.
It's gotten a lot better in the last year or two for sure, but I still think they can do more and hope they don't feel complacent with how much progress they did make in a relatively short amount of time.
I'm not saying it's enough, but I don't agree with the idea that they aren't committed to it.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
My favorite thing about some older comics? The melodramatic yellow narration boxes.
I know they've gone out of style but sometimes they just put a smile on my face.
I know they've gone out of style but sometimes they just put a smile on my face.
I'd love to see them hire a female writer for a popular male-led book (and then not publicize it all to hell on The View as this great accomplishment, that'd be even better.). They're making great strides but they're still doing the thing where African Americans and women are put onto books that are African American or woman-led titles, respectively.
Has a woman ever written Captain America or one of the many (Peter Parker led) Spider-Man titles? Or even someone like the Hulk? How about an African American? I'm honestly curious.
I think the biggest shift for creators, particularly with Marvel, is that young artists and writers don't see big two work as the best all end all of a career in comics. More and more, the young creators are using big two work to get financially solvent enough to fund creator owned work. Y'all were talking about Kate Leth before, I've seen her tweet that the only reason she doesn't have an Image book yet is that she can't afford to launch one, but when she can she will. Unless Image collapses, or by some miracle Marvel and DC can turn Icon and Vertigo into legitimate creator owned imprints, this is going to be the new reality. The Johns', Bendis', and Slotts of the world will become even more scarce.
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Ann Nocenti worked on Amazing Spider-Man and there was another woman whose name I sadly forgot. Also not sure what her position was, but Stan Lee spoke in high tones about her.
All decades ago.
Good call, Nocenti did work on a few Spider-Man titles in the late 80s / early 90s, but they were mostly 1 off issues in between larger arcs written by men. The longest run I can find was 3 consecutive issues (Peter Parker: Spider-Man #29-31).
I know both Ann Nocenti and Weezie Simonson have written Spidey in the past. Weezie also had a super long wrong on X-Factor (she created Apocalypse) and New Mutants among others.
Isnt Life in a Mad Dogs Ward completly by her? She is the only writer who gets credit on the cover IIRC.
Also dont let us forget her acclaimed run on Daredevil.
Ah, yeah, she wrote Web of Spider-man #1-3... about the same as Nocenti, a few one-offs here and there and then a 3 issue run.
Nocenti's Daredevil run and Weezie's X-Factor / New Mutants are the closest I've found to a woman having an ongoing w/ a high level Marvel series... it's better than nothing, I guess?
21st century cowboy
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Just catching up. Thanks for the info. I have handled one in store and after using the air 2 sing August the 50% increase seems like a lot. I will see what they do with the seconded iteration of it.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Yo no one told me Dangerous Golf came out wtf I thought this was a comics thread
Basically since the dawn of cape comics and the Silver Age, the industry has largely been a boys club. If you go back to the Golden Age, women creators were not uncommon at all.
The three biggish female writers at Marvel in the 80s (Simonson/Nocenti/Jo Duffy) all started as editors before transitioning into writing. So did Jim Owsley (now Christopher Priest). You still have a decently-sized pool of female editors at Marvel (or did, a few years ago) but that transition rarely happens anymore outside of oddities like Flashpoint or if your name is Dan Didio.
Also, Daredevil is at least as big as Hulk... Nocenti started writing right after Born Again too, so this isn't when he's a trash version of Spider-Man either. Simonson on early the X-Men spinoffs when it's the most popular comic in the world and before there were a million books feels significant too.
Also, Daredevil is at least as big as Hulk... Nocenti started writing right after Born Again too, so this isn't when he's a trash version of Spider-Man either. Simonson on early the X-Men spinoffs when it's the most popular comic in the world and before there were a million books feels significant too.
Tragicomedy
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Nocenti Daredevil was the first book I ever read. It was glorious. Very dark, very poetic, and very moving. I haven't kept up with her work since then, but her Daredevil stint was glorious. Creepy and great. Really top notch art.
That's a good point. Back then there was probably still that mentality of "there just aren't any good female comics writers" too, which we know is one of those recursive mindsets that has kept people out of the industry long enough.
Kevin Wada SLAYING on commissions again!
Catwoman
Early 60s, Breakfast at Tiffanys fashionization
So, so good
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Howards drawn by James Harren is the biggest badass in BPRD.
Harren + BPRD is literally the best comics has ever been
I completely forgot about Jo Duffy. She had that long run on Power Man and Iron Fist, wrote a bunch of Star Wars comics when they were originally with Marvel, and more relevant to my interests did that weird Fallen Angels miniseries. She also wrote Catwoman for DC in the early 90s.
I think the really interesting thing about 80's Marvel vs now is that you didn't really have "well you're black/a lady so we'll put you on the black/lady book" thing you kinda have now. There's a funny anecdote where Christopher Priest (who ended up quitting comic because of that) talks about how when Joe Quesada called him up for Marvel Knights he was super excited because he thought he was gonna get Daredevil. He was actually really disappointed when they offered him Black Panther instead cuz he thought the character sucked at the time. It took a while for him to realize he wasn't going to get to write Spider-Man/Wolverine etc comics again like he did in the 80s when they only gave him stuff like Captain America and the Falcon or The Crew.
TheDarkKnight774
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Aw yea!! CMX and marvel have finally finished adding the rest of Peter David's Hulk run on the store. Now to wait for the next Line wide and finish out one of my CMX library wish list items I've been wanting for years!
Indeed, he's the best artist that has worked on BPRD, it's a shame he only did 3 or so arcs.
Freezasaurus
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When are they going to release the next Peter David X-Factor complete collection. It's been ages.
Oh nice. That will all be mine next time Marvel has a huge sale.
Didn't he manage to make Black Panther a more worthwhile book/character in the process? Huge bummer that he didn't get his dream books when he was obviously great.
yeah, he just wasn't a fan of the character (or at the very least had a negative perception of the character) before working on the book.
e: AAA writer as a term is out of place for comics, i think
Drop it after 5-6, that arc is meh.
Also, yes, Marvel is gathering up stock so those writers can be notable later on, it's already working with Arron and Ewing.
That's Bendis for you.
Jason Aaron is Marvel's best name right now besides Bendis and Aaron sells better than him.
it's why i don't give his books a chance monthly and they are all relegated to MU, i like reading them for the most part but they're sooooooooooo small.
Small Bendis is are better than Large Bendis where he gives no fucks and ruins books because I NEED IMPACT
Spencer too but Glories was a mess and Fix is still new.
Spencer too but Glories was a mess and Fix is still new.
Pretty much. As long he's on the right book(like Iron Man and Spider-Man) he's good, but they move slow.
Wtf!! What that happened? Oh man. And yea agreed the dynamic between Wonder Woman and power girl was great.