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[FoxMcChief]

It might well be time for a console to come out of china.

I'm not even joking.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

I worry that once the numbers will not improve even if they went F2P. That's a real possibility right now.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Alright GAF, I didn't want to make a new thread for this poll, so I just made one on Strawpoll. Let's see it.

What are the 3 biggest reasons you DIDN'T you buy Concord?​

What are the 3 biggest reasons you DIDN'T you buy Concord? - Online Poll - StrawPoll.com

What's your opinion? Vote now: Bad impressions (gameplay, systems, etc)., Already invested in another PVP shooter., DEI focus., Not into PVP or shooter games., Don't like Sony., Tri...

strawpoll.com

To quote Topher

And everything they stood for

 

[Unknown Soldier]

It might well be time for a console to come out of china.

I'm not even joking.

inb4 "everything is already made in China including all consoles"

 

[FoxMcChief]

I worry that once the numbers will not improve even if they went F2P. That's a real possibility right now.

I honestly think the only way I would play this game is if someone paid me to play it.

 

[Holammer]

I haven't seen any of the YTbers I follow play it, wonder if they even got offered sponsorships at all or if everyone consider it a poison chalice.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

It will have to, to try and recuperate something because fml player base for day 1 is shocking, better trying to get people to play rather than leave it to die

i think the open beta had lower numbers, right?

 

[Complistic]

I'd love to be in the conference room where they discuss this game's day 1 performance, or Studios' financial projections after this.

Sooo badly.

 

[Diddy X]

Redfall, Lawbreakers, Suicide Squad, etc. ALL REDEEMED.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

i think the open beta had lower numbers, right?

Open Beta peaked at 2388 players

 

[Drew1440]

More millions in the garbage for Sony.

Imagine if they had invested all this money and talent they have to make awesome single player games like they have been doing the past gens.

Ryan go and eat shit.

I hope China gets in the game hard and streamroll everyone.

Instead we could have gotten sequels to Killzone, Resistance, Lair, WipEout. Instead Sony prefers to fund this.

 

[Yamisan]

Damn, another person reposting this.

 

[Moridianae]

Yikes.

What are our predictions? F2P within 3 months? 6?

Included in a random PS+ month before the end of the year?

No way this isn't a megaton bomb.

 

[Killer8]

Concord one of the worst bombs in years.

Helldivers II lost 90% of its players in 6 months.

Layoffs, cancellations and restructuring at Bungie.

The Last of Us Factions cancelled.

Destruction AllStars bombed.

It's over for Sony GaaS.

 

[clarky]

Pushing 170 heads, in Seattle WA. The last 2 years alone have exceeded $100,000,000. Total spend is probably close to, if not exceeding, $200,000,000. That 5 minute Marvel style CG shortfilm they did was $15,000,000+. They were likely expecting 10 million+ sales lifetime, expecting it to out earn their premier first party Lesbian Simulators.

I dont follow you. care to break down how 170 employees cost 50,000,000 a year?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Open Beta peaked at 2388 players

and the close beta?

 

[FoxMcChief]

and the close beta?

Is that what we are calling launches now?

 

[Antwix]

Yikes.

What are our predictions? F2P within 3 months? 6?

Included in a random PS+ month before the end of the year?

No way this isn't a megaton bomb.

Regardless of what they do, December 6th will be this game's final nail in the coffin (when Marvel Rivals comes out).

 

[Senua]

 

[DavidGzz]

Sweet Baby, that's a wrap..

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

and the close beta?

Actually I dont know if that 2388 was open or closed, my bad maybe the open beta was lower

 

[King Dazzar]

8 years. What a result!

 

[clarky]

Regardless of what they do, December 6th will be this game's final nail in the coffin (when Marvel Rivals comes out).

its already dead. Regardless of other releases.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Actually I dont know if that 2388 was open or closed, my bad maybe the open beta was lower

maybe it was double the close beta.... either they are fucked

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

maybe it was double the close beta.... either they are fucked

I just see the Concord beta peaked at that 2388 but don't know which one it was

I think 2388 would be amazing numbers for this now at this point

 

[Reaseru]

Japan Studio. Evolution Studio. Team Soho. All multi-million dollar franchise studios closed to buy this crap studio and Bungie.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Unplug the servers it is already dead.

Opportunity costs.

By the looks of it half way through launch day, it'd probably be better financially to cut the cord by end of day.

8 years of dev, tons of money in costs ($50M? I threw out a number for fun), and all that happens is it'll sell xxxxxx copies at $40 each. And any Steam copies is really $28 after Valve cut. After all the PC and PS5 copies sold are tallied up it might not even break 10,000 gamers.

On the plus side, all the disc copies they sold into stores are sales. So unless they take back unsold copies in an approved RA (return authorization), they got those disc sales too.

 

[Gambit2483]

 

[Haint]

I dont follow you. care to break down how 170 employees cost 50,000,000 a year?

Sure thing, Seattle is a top 10 most expensive city in the US, and Sony are paying to employ 170 ostensibly skilled professionals who are in high demand that they have to both poach and fend off poaches from. The average coastal US game dev salary exceeds $150k/year in salary alone, the actual costs to the business is way higher than that. They also have to pay mountains of premium benefits on every single head (i.e. platinum family insurance plans, cellphone plans, work from home internet plans, luxury car leases for the C-suites, etc...), mountains of state and federal employee taxes on every single head, and lease a luxury office studio with artisanal juice bars, meditation corners, and fine dining lunch caters. Then millions upon millions more in miscellaneous overhead like farms of high end computers/monitors, Herman Miller chairs/desks throughout, utilities, office supplies, toilet paper, etc... How much exactly do you think all that costs, a couple million a year? How else do you think Miles Morales, a 4 hour long DLC that reused every single assets within, cost $150,000,000 to produce?

 

[Lokaum D+]

fuck you Sony, well deserved

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Kena Bridge of Spirts PC peaked at 2,600 gamers. And Godfall at 1,700.

 

[mdkirby]

The budget, I mean, do we know how much money they sunk into this dumpster fire?

Given a dev said the other day that it’s been in dev for 8 years, the studio is in Washington, so wages will be high, and we know from the insomniac leaks that the much quicker to develop Spider-Man 2 cost 300mil to make. My guess would be similar, then substantial marketing costs on top. Even if you slice a third off it, it’s one hell of a financial black hole. Oh and Sony not only paid for development but also bought the studio for an undisclosed sum (at least I failed to find out from google), but given historical purchases, another couple hundred million would not be out of the question.

Either way this is competing with suicide squad for biggest flop of the generation.

 

[CherryFalls]

Why play trash when you could play treasure?

 

[MiguelItUp]

A monkey conquered!

To be fair, the monkey just did great on its own. Don't relate a good game to this, haha. Their grave was made no matter when they decided to release, lol.

 

[Mikado]

Sure thing, Seattle is a top 10 most expensive city in the US, and Sony are paying to employ 170 ostensibly skilled professionals who are in high demand that you yourself have to both poach and fend off poaches from. That's on top of paying mountains of benefits on every single head (i.e. platinum family insurance plans, luxury cars for the C-suites, etc...), mountains of employee taxes on every single head, and lease a luxury office studio with artisanal juice bars, meditation corners, and fine dining lunch caters. How much exactly do you think that costs, a couple million a year?

So about 15 years ago, a good estimate of game studio operating costs was about 10K per month per head. That's not necessarily all salary (includes software, hardware, facilities as well as benefits and taxes etc), and ofc not everyone has the same cost but it's a good average place to start.

It would be reasonable to think that about 20K per head is common for modern costs for an ostensibly AAA studio in an expensive, American, tech-heavy city.

170x20Kx12 = about 40M a year, so it's certainly in the ballpark.

 

[ArtHands]

not fair to start comparing the numbers rn. Give it some time guys. The china people are sleeping right now,

 

[lem0n]

8 years

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

PlayStation needs a complete rethink on its strategy going forwards from this. To think of the talent. The studios they let go and the IPs they had, and we end up with this POS.

Screw PlayStation after this. I’m going PC next time around: Both XBOX and PlayStation have thrown their names in the gutter.

 

[Fake]

Thanks to our professor

 

[StreetsofBeige]

not fair to start comparing the numbers rn. Give it some time guys. The china people are sleeping right now,

How many DEI ex-pat gamers live in China?

 

[tusharngf]

8yr cycle + 100 people thats expensive. They have a few days left as a studio.

 

[Roufianos]

The fact that Sony decided to buy this studio, based on this game, raises huge questions about their game citation going forward.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Why play trash when you could play treasure?

Unrelated but how tf do you unlock this skill before this fight? I scoured every inch of that first map once I read there were missable bosses.

 

[Haint]

The fact that Sony decided to buy this studio, based on this game, raises huge questions about their game citation going forward.

Jim Ryan was genuinely retarded.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Behold the true size of the Modern Audience

 

[Lord Panda]

 

[ByWatterson]

bom/ba

 

[clarky]

Sure thing, Seattle is a top 10 most expensive city in the US, and Sony are paying to employ 170 ostensibly skilled professionals who are in high demand that they have to both poach and fend off poaches from. The average coastal US game dev salary exceeds $150k/year in salary alone, the actual costs to the business is way higher than that. They also have to pay mountains of premium benefits on every single head (i.e. platinum family insurance plans, cellphone plans, work from home internet plans, luxury car leases for the C-suites, etc...), mountains of state and federal employee taxes on every single head, and lease a luxury office studio with artisanal juice bars, meditation corners, and fine dining lunch caters. Then millions upon millions more in miscellaneous overhead like farms of high end computers/monitors, Herman Miller chairs/desks throughout, utilities, office supplies, toilet paper, etc... How much exactly do you think all that costs, a couple million a year? How else do you think Miles Morales, a 4 hour long DLC that reused every single assets within, cost $150,000,000 to produce?

I dunno, thats why I asked. I'm from the UK and could not imagine each employee costing close to 300k a year all in.

You think they'd just go somewhere cheaper.

 

[Evolved1]

Imagine how bad that was if they went ahead with this piece of shit and stuff like Fairgames but cancelled that.

I guess that is possible. But having played a thousand hours of the original, I suspect there was actual, original fun buried in there somewhere. The core game is unique and engaging. Concord is a clear pile of derivative shit.

 

[Klayzer]

OMG. This is a bomb of epic proportions. This studio might not make it to the end of the year.