James Sawyer Ford
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Dunno but Helldivers 2 made them bank
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Concord bombs on Steam with less than 1k players on launch day
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Dunno but Helldivers 2 made them bank
Dr.Morris79
Member
The thing that gets me the most was them shuttering all of those brilliant studios that made them who they are (Or was in some senses..)
And now we get this guff
They're losing the plot.
ReyBrujo
Member
Seriously. What were they thinking…
I wonder if AVGN would ever bash a game for these kind of characters nowadays. I guess no even though they deserve it.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Tons.
Bungie alone cost $3.6 billion. Destiny 2 sales and profits tanked to the point of being in the red, tons of layoffs, severance pay. And I think $1 billion was retention bonuses. So youre not getting that back in a resale of a company. There is zero chance of Bungie still being worth $3.6 billion. Probably not even worth $1 billion if Sony tried to divest them. At some point, Sony will write off a billion or more due to Bungie revaluation.
Concord has bombed. The Deviation Studios game they partnered with is dead, Fairgames who knows. Factions 2 dead. I think some kind of Horizon MP game is dead.
You can tell it's eating them alive since the past couple years, profit margins have shrunk to 6% when historically since PS4 started rocking it, profit margins were about 13% for 4 years in a row.
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Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
They will hide it better instead of being so brazen about it. SBI and co, and their ilk, will rebrand and will be far more low-key - but they will still be trying their hardest to subvert and destroy shit.
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
This just made me laugh such an unreasonable amount, my girl asked me to show her wtf is so funny, slowly turned her head and called me a fuckin nerd
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TheAmazingSpiderMan
Member
lol we all said it was DOA, the writing was on the wall, ever since that reveal from the PS SOP or wherever it was first shown.
Jamesb0ndjr
Member
I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a non-stop deluge of negativity towards a game that actually ended up being good.
clarky
Gold Member
Less a than you would think. At 40 bucks and half of those being on steam coupled with a lengthy dev cycle it say it made a decent amount of money sure, but not successful GAAS money.
The monetization model is kinda weak as well, especially now the player base has evaporated.
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newtypepilot
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Raven117
Member
We are just seeing the stupidity of Sony coming home to roost from the pivot to GaaS. This was their stated strategy over the last 5 years (or a tad longer). Was it Ryan’s initiative? I don’t know.
We are now at the height of that decision where these projects are being cancelled and failing.
Sadly, we still have a few more years before we get the games we are used to from Sony.
We are now at the height of that decision where these projects are being cancelled and failing.
Sadly, we still have a few more years before we get the games we are used to from Sony.
clarky
Gold Member
Except is just ok at best, its certainly not good.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Depends on the studio.
Black Myth studio doesnt seem to care about GAAS mania. They got a hot selling and nicely reviewed game. And all they did was do a souls-like action game (not innovative) but fuse it with Chinese mythology (something interesting and different). Doesnt seem like any DEI attitude either.
But for lots of studios, that carrot coloured money green dangles above their head. It's got a couple stamps on it already called COD, Minecraft, Fortnite, FIFA..... and they want their name on it hoping it rakes in a billion revenue per year too.
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
And the bigger point is that everything surrounding the core mechanics is actively offputting. If it was just people on GAF shit talking the game, that'd be one thing, but look at the numbers. It ain't just that.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
400M+ is a lot of profit
clarky
Gold Member
Its not just that, the modes are so uninspiring and the maps are hardly maps at all. Very dull.
Receipts please, not saying it didn't but would like to know how well it actually did. Do we know how many units it sold and the split? I know it sold gangbusters on steam.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Thats sales, not profit.
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
It's like...I want to be a good person, right? I don't want anyone to lose their job and suffer, right? I want you to thrive, my neighbors.
But then a power bomba thread happens on GAF and the memes are so tasty and the roasting so funny, I'm cool with going to hell. Fuck it. Tbag this motherfucker
But then a power bomba thread happens on GAF and the memes are so tasty and the roasting so funny, I'm cool with going to hell. Fuck it. Tbag this motherfucker
MarkMe2525
Gold Member
I'm not one for knee jerk reactions, it's too early to say anything definitive. Sony could get some big time streamers on board and this game could blow up. It's possible at least.
Fake
Member
Sony: Yes.
clarky
Gold Member
If you are shit at your job you loose it where i come from. Thats the private sector for you.
No tears spilt. The decent devs from this studio will find decent homes I'm sure. Things like "the proff" I'm not so confident.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
F2P a coming!
clarky
Gold Member
Wont save this game imo. How would they make money even if they had a few players? Wegovy injections for your avatar?
Schmendrick
Member
In a few weeks the management emails will come
HeisenbergFX4
Member
You going by just sales numbers or have they said this somewhere?
I am legit asking
With an 8 year dev cycle of HD2 with all the costs associated with that last figure I saw was 12 million units sold just makes me curious where that number comes from
Fbh
Member
The world and character design is just terrible. Which is important in a character based game (Be it a hero shooter, MOBA, fighting game, etc)
Even if you don't care about pronouns and want more diversity in games like these...most of the characters just don't look good, or cool, or fun.
Say you want a non white elderly woman in your online shooter.
Which design is more appealing? which design do you see people putting on shirts or using as avatars? which design is more likely to resonante with people and make them like the character enough to also want some cool skins for her?
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
12 million three months ago. Probably at 15 million now at least. A portion of sales coming from the $60 version and you're easily looking at $500 million in revenue even with valve's cut
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Kings Field
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Huh?
clarky
Gold Member
Oh yeah i didn't say it hasn't made bank, its one of the most successful, if not the most successful games of the year. I thoroughly enjoyed what I played as well.
I'd say closer to 400million, with my knapkin maths, but then you have the MTX on top, not sure how well they are doing with those as it was light on monetisation, when i was playing at least.
Shadowstar39
Member
They waste so much money yet had to kill Motorstorm devs, socom devs etc... What caused the shift from Sony? Was it Jim Or before that?
clarky
Gold Member
Twas a joke my man.
You go free to play you have to monetize it somehow, i cant see many people buying skins as it stands, hence the weight loss jabs joke (for your concord avatar, not your avatar now i read it back lol). I'll see myself out.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
So out of your ass. Got it.
I heard it made $45.00
Making shit up is fun. I see why you do it so much.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
When it comes to business and companies, let them rot.
If they want to waste money and peoples time (workers and customers) with a shit product, thats on them. Let them suffer.
Even worse is it's the video game industry. So unless you buy online and score an e-store digital refund, youre stuck with the game. They got ya.
At least in most other products, if it sucks you got 30 days to return it. Whether it's a shitty sweater that rips, a table that falls apart or a microwave breaks, you can always refund it. For more durable products you even get 1 yr warranty and a service store will repair it. Gaming, youre stuck with their shit game unless you can do a digital refund asap hoping they agree. If youre a disc gamer youre fucked. And there's no real warranty except hoping they release random patches.
Always be extra weary when it comes to industries and companies that have hit and miss quality and sketchy customer policies trying to rip off consumers. Thats why costco is such a beloved store. If it sucks, you always can return it and get a refund. And then Costco returns it back to the manufacturer for their refund. So you can why suppliers put forth their best foot with a good product at a good price because they want to minimizes returns. Gaming studios and e-store policies are like the wild west.
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clarky
Gold Member
you're suggesting HD2 cost around 50 million to make? That would be a great return on investment. How big is arrowhead?
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Yeah out of my ass, it’s not hard to estimate that it brought in $500-600M so far and then net out costs
Your entire post history is talking out of your ass so I can see why you like to make shit up
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Sushi_Combo
Member
Gameplay was tight. But those character models did not do the game any favours.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Much bigger now than 8 years ago but I guess it cost 100M tops
Buggy Loop
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
asdasdasdbb
Member
The problem with HD2 is that if the majority of the sales were on PC... that's not exactly great for Playstation.
I could see that although that might be the upper bound. Didn't someone say Firewalk has 150 employees?
I could see that although that might be the upper bound. Didn't someone say Firewalk has 150 employees?
clarky
Gold Member
iI dont think it was a massive split 60-40 at most if i remember correctly
clarky
Gold Member
Weren't you claiming that same figure to me in the Corcord beta thread for Concord?