Controllers |OT| It's the Hall-Effect Life!

=== Polling Rate ===
Average: ←[33m←[1m99.67 Hz←[0m

=== Refresh intervals ===
Minimal interval: 7.92 ms
Average interval: ←[33m←[1m10.03 ms←[0m
Maximum interval: 12.14 ms
Jitter: 2.00 ms

=== Outliers Report (based on IQR method) ===
Number of outliers: 0
Outliers percentage: 0.00%
No significant outliers detected.

I ran the test 4 times twice on each stick with the 2000/4000 options but only kept one result for each stick because I couldn't remember which was which.

The text above is just the last result if the link doesn't show properly.


Sorry for the late reply!
So as I have feared 100/125Hz cap.

I guess I will scratch my 360 itch with that Retro Fighters Hunter 360.

Edit: Too bad it's sold out. And I seem to have retailers selling Retro Fighters controllers in my country but only one that shows up is regular Hunter controller.
 
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Just got my Cyclone 2 in, wow. I'll probably buy cyclone 3 cause it looks like my T4 kaleid, but I'm starting to think Cyclone 2 looks better. I mainly bought it for the hair triggers, but I hate how it feels. I'm probably not going use it even if it gives me a competitive advantage. I love how everything else feels though.


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Factory reset option?


Oh, there isn't any in manual but there should be one. I once bricked my Pro 2 controller by going backwards in firmware updates since I read some firmware had better polling rate or smth, lmao, which did brick it and I could do just that - factory reset it to wake up. And reinstall the firmware in manual option mode in 8Bitdo software by clicking the 3 lines in upper left corner and choose "manual installation" or smth like this.

AI search features in search.brave.com to the rescue:


Do that, reinstall the firmware (you should be able to reinstall it I think although I don't have it now and Xbox app was a bit different I think than regular 8Bitdo app). And tell us if it's fixed.

Edit: Tagging Astray Astray since he has the same controller and this could be useful to him 👋.
Edit2: If you can't reinstall the firmware but you can go backwards just drop just ONE version below, so you won't brick it like I did with mine Pro 2 lmao, it will save you the headaches. Ah, the horrors I went through to unbrick it, I didn't know about hidden manual option under 3 dots in upper left corner took a lot of googling to find this one... This option honestly shouldn't be so hidden, I felt dumb after discovering it.

the AI is talking complete nonsense (which is not surprising)
and I am not sure if you can go back to older firmwares on it either.

but also, I doubt it's a firmware issue.
I hadn't touched the firmware for months, this issue literally just appeared out of nowhere mid gameplay.
and then the next day there was a new firmware update I installed, that didn't fix it.

I might have to send it in if there's no way to factory reset the controller (if that would even help of course)
 
the AI is talking complete nonsense (which is not surprising)
and I am not sure if you can go back to older firmwares on it either.

but also, I doubt it's a firmware issue.
I hadn't touched the firmware for months, this issue literally just appeared out of nowhere mid gameplay.
and then the next day there was a new firmware update I installed, that didn't fix it.

I might have to send it in if there's no way to factory reset the controller (if that would even help of course)


Try this it may be similar. Maybe AI missed a button?

Safest option would be to email 8Bitdo support, and maybe they will share the specific combination for this model.

If not, just send it in.
 
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Try this it may be similar. Maybe AI missed a button?

Safest option would be to email 8Bitdo support, and maybe they will share the specific combination for this model.

If not, just send it in.


the AI missed R1.

I'll try that method and see if it works on the Xbox version of the controller.

edit: yeah, that reset doesn't work on the Xbox controller
 
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I really do hope so but with a controller like this Valve is competing more with the fancy pro controllers than the basic ones. Then again there are lots of decent sub-$100 controllers like the 8BitDos and GameSirs.

I just think given how Valve has been the only one that hasn't raised the price of their device (Steam Deck), they would try to be aggressive with this too. Especially if they want it to sell more than the original, and it helps sell more PC games that don't work well on a normal game-pad.

It could be more than a standard Xbox or Playstation controller, but I don't see them pushing over $100 if they want this to have any kind of market penetration. Same with the Steam Machine, if they price it under $600 they're in a good spot, but I suspect them not showing the prices yet is because they're unsure of the economic factors in the world right now.
 
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Void has released pretty impressive DualShock 4.

It's some Japanese brand I haven't heard about, hmm.

 
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Ended up seeing the Wuchang version of the G7 Pro hit Amazon, and decided to try it out. (phone picture came a little blown out, sorry)

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Impressions
I wasn't sure how good the actual paint-job was going to be in person, but it looks quite nice. Instead of the dot textured plastic like the Black Ember model on the right front, the Wuchang feathers aren't just painted, they are embossed to actually be the textured pattern on the front for grip. Basically you get this kind of scaled feel than little bumps, and it grips well (the back is rubber like the Xbox Elite). I like the turquoise color choice quite a bit, though I wish it was transparent on the triggers like the Black Ember.

The main reason though I got this was to validate if the internet was right, and the Mech White + Wuchang version of this controller improved the d-pad, since the Black Ember apparently got rushed to production. Apparently this d-pad has better latency, and rattles less. I tried a few games, and it's hard for me to notice if the latency is really improved, both feel responsive to me. However, the d-pad is absolutely more stable, and after popping off the d-pad covers on both I think I found out why. The plate below the switches seems to have less flex, and the 4 holes you can see in the picture (below) that each plate have rods to fit into are slightly smaller. So the d-pad plates fit more snugly in, so brushing my finger around doesn't move it much.

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For me it's worth the upgrade, but then I tried ONE more thing, that I 100% recommend on this because it cost nothing on Amazon for me to do. I heard that you can attach o-rings (you can see them above, they're black) around those 4 white holes where the rods connect, and it will further reduce that rattle + make it a bit firmer. It absolutely works, and I think it's because the rubber is flexible, but absorbs some of the play when bending the plate to do sweep movements in fighting games like Blazblue: Chronophantasm Extend that I tried. Even the Black Ember improved, so if you have that one 150% do this.

All you need to do is place 2 o-rings around the holes, and with a pencil, tweezers or any thin pointy thing stuff them down to fill up the hole. You can try 3 if you want (too firm imo), but people on reddit were right 2 each hole is best. I found a pack of 50 of these for like $5 on Amazon. Already loved the controller, this seals the deal for me to pick over the 8BitDo Ultimate 2.

The O-Ring Measurements:
  • 6mm outer diameter (OD)
  • 4mm inner diameter (ID)
  • 1mm width
 
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adamsapple adamsapple https://gamepadla.com/void-ps4-firebird.html

Void has released pretty impressive DualShock 4.

It's some Japanese brand I haven't heard about, hmm.


Found the review channel of the person that uploaded FireBird results on gamepadla.com

Use audio dub or YT auto subtitle translation options since he is Japanese.

Lots of data. Like the dude shares stuff he measured with Prometeus and talks about it in length.



Since G7 Pro is hot right now. It will be pretty relevant for Durin Durin

He shares his controller settings. I knew something was a bit off, there is low sensitivity in Y axis. Looks like something they could improve in software updates.

Apparently one can get used to it but I am jumping controllers like crazy.

Yesterday I used ES Pro, Super Nova and G7 Pro. And I can notice it.

I'm gonna try his settings to make sticks more linear. Maybe instead of getting used to it, I will just get rid of it with his settings.

Edit: Maybe he will share his review of FireBird, since ergonomically speaking I liked DualShock 4 a lot with my girlish hands, lmao.

But I tried to go back to it recently and triggers were meh, compared to any modern controller.

Seems like Void uses TMR sticks and improved triggers.

And it seems to be in a price range of regular DualSense but they might not sell this controller abroad since I can seem to add it to basket on their official site.


Some of Void offerings pop up in amazon.co.jp so I'm gonna see if FireBird pops up there, I can order their stuff there it seems adamsapple adamsapple
 
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The main reason though I got this was to validate if the internet was right, and the Mech White + Wuchang version of this controller improved the d-pad, since the Black Ember apparently got rushed to production. Apparently this d-pad has better latency, and rattles less. I tried a few games, and it's hard for me to notice if the latency is really improved, both feel responsive to me. However, the d-pad is absolutely more stable, and after popping off the d-pad covers on both I think I found out why. The plate below the switches seems to have less flex, and the 4 holes you can see in the picture (below) that each plate have rods to fit into are slightly smaller. So the d-pad plates fit more snugly in, so brushing my finger around doesn't move it much.
Thanks for confirming this.

Bodes well for my G7 Pro x ZZZ preorder!
 
BeardSpike BeardSpike Which TMR module would you recommend for an old Xbox Series controller? Mainly looking to use it with a repurposed old ITX build I have, which I'm gonna install bazzite on and have it as an early Gabecube of sorts.

I'm seeing a lot of them on AliExpress and couldn't remember which one is best.
 
BeardSpike BeardSpike Which TMR module would you recommend for an old Xbox Series controller? Mainly looking to use it with a repurposed old ITX build I have, which I'm gonna install bazzite on and have it as an early Gabecube of sorts.

I'm seeing a lot of them on AliExpress and couldn't remember which one is best.
HallPi x Aknes.
 
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The BitMap Books Trigger Happy was released today. Posting some snipped images below in spoiler tags to give you an idea of the quality of the photos provided. I know that the internet will produce the same images, in a far larger qty without any of the editorial pieces...but there is something great about kicking my feet back and flipping through a book like this.

Large images and tagging them so the bitmap police don't come after me. Some folks don't like their editorial commentary and I can appreciate that, but this book is fucking gorgeous.

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I'm tempted to get the Cyclone 2, but with Steam Controller 2 releasing in "early 2026" I'm trying to refrain.

BeardSpike BeardSpike have you managed to get the Gamesir Connect software working in Linux?
Well it's cheap enough without charging station. If you want to go for it, then go for it, lmao.

I never tried Gamesir Connect on Linux because 8bitdo apps didn't work under Wine for example.

I may try to look at it over the weekend but don't get your hopes up.

I'm pretty sure it won't work but maybe we will be both surprised, lmao.

I have two systems so I just dual boot to Windows mostly to play MP games with friends, and then I just tweak all may controllers and update them in their apps and hop on to CachyOS yet again, never booting Windows up for a while and so on and so forth.

Edit: Additional buttons in Gamesir are remapable without the app so I can always reajust existing profiles on the fly on Linux so yeah whatever.

I don't remember if that was the case with Cyclone 2 because it's like almost a year since I had it I think.

But G7 Pro and Super Nova works this way.

I remember when I used my 8bitdo Pro 2 on Linux I just hopped onto their Android app on my phone lmao because I was to lazy to dual boot. And Gamesir seems to have Android app also I think I'm gonna test it over the weekend.

I only remember that Cyclone 2 had low battery prompt always popping in Linux but it was BS, and otherwise it worked 100% under Linux, be sure to run it in Xinput since it also has DInput and then I think you will get PS style of buttons under Steam in games instead of Xbox style ones, lmao.

But I had Cyclone 2 with this huge ass charger bundled in so dunno if it was just then controller it's self or charging dock was responsive for that notification. I don't remember if I plugged in dongle without charging station because it was such a long time ago.
 
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Convince me I shouldn't pick up a Razer Riju V3 Pro for my PS5. They seem to be available on Amazon today.
Also I'll put my money where my mouth is. If you live in the US and don't like the controller I will buy it from you. Less 10% plus the cost of shipping USPS.

So if you buy it try over the weekend and don't like it I'll take it (or just return it to Amazon…they don't care) but if a few weeks go by and you play one handed with a bucket of KFC by your side you're stuck with it 🤣.

I'm good for it you can check my marketplace rating here (not that it's the hallmark of trust worthiness…but I won't flake on ya).
 
Also I'll put my money where my mouth is. If you live in the US and don't like the controller I will buy it from you. Less 10% plus the cost of shipping USPS.

So if you buy it try over the weekend and don't like it I'll take it (or just return it to Amazon…they don't care) but if a few weeks go by and you play one handed with a bucket of KFC by your side you're stuck with it 🤣.

I'm good for it you can check my marketplace rating here (not that it's the hallmark of trust worthiness…but I won't flake on ya).
I'll keep that in mind.

I think the lack of haptic triggers is going to kill it for me though, and I already have a Dualsense Edge. Can't really justify spending the money, especially since I just bought a Bambu Lab H2C today.
 
I'll keep that in mind.

I think the lack of haptic triggers is going to kill it for me though, and I already have a Dualsense Edge. Can't really justify spending the money, especially since I just bought a Bambu Lab H2C today.
Sure thing. I am going to pick one up here in the next week or so just because I liked the model from the year before so much.
 
Sent both my DSs to a guy I found on Ebay :
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K-silver (or FU ? can't remember) TMR sticks are in, paid 45€ for BOTH sticks on BOTH joypads, guy was a pleasure to work with, a true gent, polite, precise and he was sending me pics on Whatsapp as he was doing the repairs...

You'd think that these 70+€ products wouldn't break down so easily and yet, here we are...
Man, FUCK stick drift and Sony (and MS, and Nintendo) for selling these pieces of shite with minimal QC and Alps potentiometers in the year of our lord 2025...

Hoping they'll stay strong and won't break until the PS-fookin'-6 comes along.

Next gen consoles really NEED to have HAL sticks at the very minimum 'cause frankly, it's a joke at this point.

Cheers boyos
 
Alps potentiometers in the year of our lord 2025...
Alps was such a juggernaut in the 70s and 80s and they had QC then.

Vintage audio gear is another one of my hobbies.

If the stuff had Alps potentiometes in then it was like a tank, basically indestructible.

Sad to see that type of quality in controllers now tbh, even if Analog Joysticks are ancient.
 
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Alps was such a juggernaut in the 70s and 80s and they had QC then.

Vintage audio gear is another one of my hobbies.

If the stuff had Alps potentiometes in then it was like a tank, basically indestructible.

Sad to see that type of quality in controllers now tbh, even if Analog Joysticks are ancient.

Beard, talking about DSs and Alps, the repair guy told me that the newer BDM number Dualsenses are actually WORSE and break more easily than the earlier ones and that stick drift is actually easier to achieve on them.

So, these MFers, not only are not improving on - literally - faulty products but actually making them worse, the term "planned obsolescence" comes to mind and frankly, I don't know how they're getting away with it...
Nintendo had to repair them for free after the NS1 joycon fiasco, MS settled out of court a few years ago due to their terrible QC when it came to their "Elite" series and as for Sony...I don't know if there was also a case about their terrible QC, if there wasn't , it should...

This is a friggin' joke, and the worst thing is, you'll still have people saying "what are y'all doing to your controllers, mine is perfectly fine" and "you're all abusing your shit".
I can understand some items being faulty out of the millions being produced but, the stick drift thing is something which affects a good 90% of these badly produced POS.
I still have OG Xbox controllers working normally , never had a problem with X360 ones, never had a problem with PS2 and PS3 and even PS4 ones (I must have changed ONE dualshock 4 during the whole PS4 generation) but man, I must have gone through 5 XSX joypads due to various defects (either out of the box or ones that showed up not even a year in) and 5 Dualsenses (1 completely died on me being 2.months old, the others due to stick drift).
 
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This is a friggin' joke, and the worst thing is, you'll still have people saying "what are y'all doing to your controllers, mine is perfectly fine" and "you're all abusing your shit".
Yeah, the "I haven't experienced the problem, so it doesn't exist" mentality gets annoying, when stick drift has been a more common thing this gen than any other (barring Switch 1 joycons).

I also had both Xbox Elite Pads (1 & 2) break the same way, just different side bumpers. All because they use some flimsy ass plastic. Literally if the 8BitDo Ultimate 2 was made a bit bigger for my hands, at $60 it makes these first-party controllers look like a joke in terms of build quality + features for the money.
 
Beard, talking about DSs and Alps, the repair guy told me that the newer BDM number Dualsenses are actually WORSE and break more easily than the earlier ones and that stick drift is actually easier to achieve on them.

So, these MFers, not only are not improving on - literally - faulty products but actually making them worse, the term "planned obsolescence" comes to mind and frankly, I don't know how they're getting away with it...
Nintendo had to repair them for free after the NS1 joycon fiasco, MS settled out of court a few years ago due to their terrible QC when it came to their "Elite" series and as for Sony...I don't know if there was also a case about their terrible QC, if there wasn't , it should...

This is a friggin' joke, and the worst thing is, you'll still have people saying "what are y'all doing to your controllers, mine is perfectly fine" and "you're all abusing your shit".
I can understand some items being faulty out of the millions being produced but, the stick drift thing is something which affects a good 90% of these badly produced POS.
I still have OG Xbox controllers working normally , never had a problem with X360 ones, never had a problem with PS2 and PS3 and even PS4 ones (I must have changed ONE dualshock 4 during the whole PS4 generation) but man, I must have gone through 5 XSX joypads due to various defects (either out of the box or ones that showed up not even a year in) and 5 Dualsenses (1 completely died on me being 2.months old, the others due to stick drift).

Yeah, the "I haven't experienced the problem, so it doesn't exist" mentality gets annoying, when stick drift has been a more common thing this gen than any other (barring Switch 1 joycons).

I also had both Xbox Elite Pads (1 & 2) break the same way, just different side bumpers. All because they use some flimsy ass plastic. Literally if the 8BitDo Ultimate 2 was made a bit bigger for my hands, at $60 it makes these first-party controllers look like a joke in terms of build quality + features for the money.
Yeah, this mentality gets annoying.

I've seen it time and time again.

But I will give you an example of my friend.

His PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4 controllers still go strong, while his PS5 controllers already broke once but he didn't know about Hall or TMRs then, and repaired them with Analog sticks, and I think he may have already have a problem with another DualSense after a year.

So there is definitely a pattern there.

Since he handles his controllers with care.

Seems like QC for those went downhill with probably some cost cutting here and there. I suspect Analog modules can be durable but probably from other manufacturers.

I was planning to buy ZD Ultimate but the position of trigger stop switches worries me. Elite 2 has similar position of switches for triggers and it has been pissing me off to the infinity and beyond, lmao.

This controller has a bunch of modules to put in including TMR and Puyao analogs I am curious how those perform and if they are more durable than Alps. But if they don't redesign those switches position I won't be getting one ...

But apparently people were complaining about those to ZD and there is a chance they will release v2.

Edit: First LeadJoy batch of controllers has started to pop up on reddit.

I'm keeping my eye on this one. But so far only this has popped up


And it looks like they copied Gamesir and at worse quality at that.
 
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His PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4 controllers still go strong, while his PS5 controllers already broke once but he didn't know about Hall or TMRs then, and repaired them with Analog sticks, and I think he may have already have a problem with another DualSense after a year.

So there is definitely a pattern there.

Since he handles his controllers with care.

Seems like QC for those went downhill with probably some cost cutting here and there. I suspect Analog modules can be durable but probably from other manufacturers.

Stuff like that also feeds into the whole planned obsolescence thing, because they actually make decent profit off the accessories vs the console box.

Just doesn't make sense outside just being cheap. I just know I don't have any desire to pay more than $100 for a pad, unless it's actually doing something unique.

Just glad Valve is putting in TMR sticks for the next Steam Controller, and sticking with iFixit for replacement parts.
 
I've been using my Gamesir G7 Pro Wuchang controller on XSX for a little more than a month now and I love it. It's absolutely a perfect replacement for the Elite V2.

V2 could have been perfection if it was reliable, instead you get stick drift, you get face buttons that eventually (or way too early) have to be pressed in so firmly it's just ridiculous, shoulder buttons same issue and so on. If this nonsense doesn't happen with the G7 Pro it'll be all I need.

While battery life on V2 with around 40 hours is great, my G7 Pro lasts until almost 18 hours and it's absolutely more than good enough. The face buttons that just click in are great too. And the extra R5 button is ideal for Borderlands 4 where you use X button a lot, so I made R5 into X button.
 
I'm loving the GameSir G7 Pro as well, it's been my daily driver on my PC since I got it and I have no reason to switch to anything else.

Tons of hours poured into ARC Raiders and Trails of Cold Steel III and I'm definitely loving it.
 
I'm loving the GameSir G7 Pro as well, it's been my daily driver on my PC since I got it and I have no reason to switch to anything else.

Tons of hours poured into ARC Raiders and Trails of Cold Steel III and I'm definitely loving it.
Definitely my "surprise" controller of the year. Out performs devices 2x more expensive.

I want a black one, but the color is my only complaint.
 
Huh, this is kinda unique...

That's very inventive. Having the rudder 'pedals' underneath the controller doesn't seem like the best idea though. I guess they couldn't figure out a way to link the R/L triggers mechanically, as that would be a more sensible location.

If the sliders and switches have some decent weight to them, this could be a nice option for console flight sims.
 
8bitdo released a special colorway for their Analogue 64 controller, seriously sick!


I was happy to take or leave the standard colours, but that looks sexy.

I was just clicking through the pre-order process to get the price and as I was thinking about whether or not to pre-order I absent-mindedly clicked through and finished the order. So I guess that's that!
 
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Found a lot of cool curve settings for G7 Pro.

The reason for this is likely because Gamesir G7 Pro's JS16 TMR sticks have low sensitivity near neutral point and high sensitivity at the edges. Whilst the Hyperkin Xenon has regular potentiometers with a ~linear output.

Monoru has two options for linearizing the G7 Pro:
1. (5,5)-(20,21)-(60,63)
2. (15,16)-(25,28)-(50,53)

Theres also GreedZz variant of #2:
(9,10)-(25,28)-(50,53)

Search monoru on YouTube and you'll find his G7 Pro review that explains the pros/cons of the settings.

Basically you have to set three dots and adjust x,y points from what I understand.

You can basically use the dpad on controller to kinda put them in the place and the rest you have to nail with a mouse and hover it above dot points to see x,y position.

Kinda wish Gamesir would add an option for text input, like you would set a fan curve for example...

I did a round with GreedZz variant and it was like it clicked.

Monoru G7 Pro stick curve:
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To visualise what this data points mean.

I'm gonna try to set one of Monoru stick curves next.
 
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Durin Durin Stafford Stafford Astray Astray Diseased Yak Diseased Yak

Found a lot of cool curve settings for G7 Pro.



Basically you have to set three dots and adjust x,y points from what I understand.

You can basically use the dpad on controller to kinda put them in the place and the rest you have to nail with a mouse and hover it above dot points to see x,y position.

Kinda wish Gamesir would add an option for text input, like you would set a fan curve for example...

I did a round with GreedZz variant and it was like it clicked.

Monoru G7 Pro stick curve:
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To visualise what this data points mean.

I'm gonna try to set one of Monoru stick curves next.
I did actually try the first option: 1. (5,5)-(20,21)-(60,63). I'd have tested the others...but can I just say what a pain in the ass the app is to line the values up? Just let me input the values in a field or something.

However, I do I have the sticks to raw instead of circular, so not sure if that hurts the preset?

Honestly though...it's hard for me to tell much of a difference with a short test, because I'm also just coming to these controllers without even using TMR at all before this...so they're all kind of massively better than my Xbox Elite 2 or DualSense.

One cool thing joining the GameSir Discord, people keep asking for Steam Input support pretty much daily when I look it up for all their controllers. Seems like a lag on Valve's part, or GameSir lacking a direct contact with them, because there was a post from someone at the company saying they want to do it.
 
Controller Deals

I've been shopping for parts for my new NAS build for Black Friday, but noticed that sites are already posting deals on gamepads, so figured I'd share a few for the other controller bros interested (US specific):

GameSir G7 Pro (Shadow Ember) - $80 $60 at Best Buy (I have an older post in this thread about using o-rings to improve the d-pad, but my favorite controller so far)
GameSir Cyclone 2 (Black or White) - $56 $44.79 Amazon
8BitDo Ultimate 2 (Wuchang version) $65 $52 at Amazon (solid controller, but my hands were a bit too big for it, crazy value though)
- Solid Purple & Black Variants of Ultimate 2 - $60 $48 Amazon
8BitDo Ulimate 2C (Wukong version) $25 $19.74 Amazon
- Other solid colors: $20 $16 Amazon
 
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Controller Deals

I've been shopping for parts for my new NAS build for Black Friday, but noticed that sites are already posting deals on gamepads, so figured I'd share a few for the other controller bros interested (US specific):

GameSir G7 Pro (Shadow Ember) - $80 $60 at Best Buy (I have an older post in this thread about using o-rings to improve the d-pad, but my favorite controller so far)
GameSir Cyclone 2 (Black or White) - $56 $44.79 Amazon
8BitDo Ultimate 2 (Wuchang version) $65 $52 at Amazon (solid controller, but my hands were a bit too big for it, crazy value though)
- Solid Purple & Black Variants of Ultimate 2 - $60 $48 Amazon
8BitDo Ulimate 2C (Wukong version) $25 $19.74 Amazon
- Other solid colors: $20 $16 Amazon
Hey...its the black G7 pro I wanted.

Thank you father christmas
 
others...but can I just say what a pain in the ass the app is to line the values up? Just let me input the values in a field or something.
Same, same.

One cool thing joining the GameSir Discord, people keep asking for Steam Input support pretty much daily when I look it up for all their controllers. Seems like a lag on Valve's part, or GameSir lacking a direct contact with them, because there was a post from someone at the company saying they want to do it.
That would be so awesome 👌🏻 .

I won't touch another controller besides G7 Pro for a while, will do a few profiles with both raw input and circular. See what's what because it not a bad controller at all. I'm thinking that I am just switching them too much.

I played a bit of Ninja Gaiden Sigma yesterday and combos felt the smoothest on G7 Pro and it's mechanical ABXY buttons.

Like the feedback and timing wise I could get in rhythm better than on membrane buttons.
 
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