Dating-Age |OT3| Positivity, Confidence, and Not Being a "Nice" Guy

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Need some advice fellas. I can't believe I'm back here almost a year later over the very same girl.

Quick backstory (longer story can be found here), been good friends with a girl for a long time, and there's definitely a mutual attraction going on. I've asked her out, got denied, and realized I really didn't want to / couldn't handle being "just friends" with her, so stopped talked to her completely. This went on for about 9 months, until I got a random IM from her. We had a good conversation, and anytime she tried to flirt I'd either ignore it or change the topic. The thing is, she has contacted me multiple times now (I haven't initiated it at all), wanting to talk / asking when I'm going to be in the area. She's invited me to go out with her even. Problem is, her friends will be there, which is strange to begin with....girl's night out + me?

I guess what I'm asking is, I know this girl likes attention and is a flirt, but why contact the guy who asked her out and she said no to after all this time? My friends tell me there's no chance here (I agree), but I'm curious what GAF thinks. I'm just not entirely sure how to proceed with a girl who has said she's not interested in dating, and 9 months later comes back to me as if nothing at all has happened.

Go out and bring your own friends. When you see her, look happy to see her, then be bold and hit on her friends. Either she'll get jealous, de-friendzone you and sleep with you or you'll sleep with her friends. You win both ways.
 
I guess what I'm asking is, I know this girl likes attention and is a flirt, but why contact the guy who asked her out and she said no to after all this time? My friends tell me there's no chance here (I agree), but I'm curious what GAF thinks. I'm just not entirely sure how to proceed with a girl who has said she's not interested in dating, and 9 months later comes back to me as if nothing at all has happened.

I have experience with this, and I think that they are naive enough to think that you both can share fun moments, good talks, quality time together without you having feelings any more. She has good memories of you AS A FRIEND, so she wants to relive some of those. They think that you can turn of the switch and be the fun girlfriend she wants of you. If you want her company, go in with zero expectations. If you have fun with her, go hang out, but don't bother calculating how to win her over.

If she indeed wants you (highly unlikely), let her make the move. If she's basically inches away from you wanting to kiss you, don't have a conversation. Grab her face, and kiss her. If she backs away, tell her you don't need another friend. You did fine without her for 9 months, so no loss if she gets annoyed and rejects you.


I don't want to friend-zone myself this time, as I am oft known to do, but I want to know where the line between being nice and being "a nice guy". I always have trouble putting my point across on what I want. What's a good way to say "Hey, I like you" with the current means of contact I have with her (phone, text, facebook), cause doing it through those means isn't something I really care to do, as it seems like a crappy way to do it.

Am I fretting too much and driving myself crazy?

Girls want romance. There is NOTHING romantic about telling her over facebook/text. Just make hard plans to get together, and escalate.
 
^Don't tell her you're into her now (although she may already be aware), tell her the next time she visits.

I wasn't planning on it, I just want to make my point clear of what I want, without actually saying it without her here.

Girls want romance. There is NOTHING romantic about telling her over facebook/text. Just make hard plans to get together, and escalate.

Oh absolutely. I brought this up before but didn't get a response, but was thinking of sending flowers for valentines, and going from there.
 
Oh absolutely. I brought this up before but didn't get a response, but was thinking of sending flowers for valentines, and going from there.

Depends on where you are in your relationship. Have you kissed her? has she told you she likes you? Flowers too early can be a big turn-off for a girl. I'd do something more unique or funny instead.
 
Depends on where you are in your relationship. Have you kissed her? has she told you she likes you? Flowers too early can be a big turn-off for a girl. I'd do something more unique or funny instead.

That's my fear. Maybe not flowers but I definitely want to do something. No we haven't kissed, and she hasn't specifically said she likes me (she is kind of shy now that I think of it)

Maybe I'll send her this: http://i.imgur.com/rDh5Z.png kinda as a joke, funny thing.
 
Go out and bring your own friends. When you see her, look happy to see her, then be bold and hit on her friends. Either she'll get jealous, de-friendzone you and sleep with you or you'll sleep with her friends. You win both ways.

Most definitely NOT going to happen - while I think her friend is nice, but I'm in no way, shape, or form attracted to her. I hadn't considered bringing my own friends though.

I have experience with this, and I think that they are naive enough to think that you both can share fun moments, good talks, quality time together without you having feelings any more. She has good memories of you AS A FRIEND, so she wants to relive some of those. They think that you can turn of the switch and be the fun girlfriend she wants of you. If you want her company, go in with zero expectations. If you have fun with her, go hang out, but don't bother calculating how to win her over.

If she indeed wants you (highly unlikely)
, let her make the move. If she's basically inches away from you wanting to kiss you, don't have a conversation. Grab her face, and kiss her. If she backs away, tell her you don't need another friend. You did fine without her for 9 months, so no loss if she gets annoyed and rejects you.

I think I was doing just fine over the 9 months....as a friend, I really don't want her company anymore. I've had it for years, and it's at the point (well, beyond actually) where it's time to either put up or shut up. Doors have been opened that can't be closed, so to speak. The bolded is a good wake up call though, thanks.
 
That's my fear. Maybe not flowers but I definitely want to do something. No we haven't kissed, and she hasn't specifically said she likes me (she is kind of shy now that I think of it)

Maybe I'll send her this: http://i.imgur.com/rDh5Z.png kinda as a joke, funny thing.

Errrr... I don't know her style, but you did say she's not too much into texting, so something she might actually touch is better. You don't want to give her something she'll delete or leave behind on her inbox.

How about a small tiny box with her favorite candy inside? or some chocolate. A simple note like "thinking of you" or a funny inside joke between you two can go a long way.
 
Errrr... I don't know her style, but you did say she's not too much into texting, so something she might actually touch is better. You don't want to give her something she'll delete or leave behind on her inbox.

How about a small tiny box with her favorite candy inside? or some chocolate. A simple note like "thinking of you" or a funny inside joke between you two can go a long way.

Ah I didn't get my point across. I was going to print it out and mail it to her. Your small box is a great idea. She loves nutella, so that would be perfect.
 
^Don't tell her you're into her now (although she may already be aware), tell her the next time she visits.



I have a very small problem gaf. I was talking to this girl who I met on set one day, we had a nice little chat and became facebook friends before parting ways. I messaged her asking if she'd like to hang out and she said she was out of town (she has pictures to verify this). I responded saying to let me know when she's back and she said "I will :)". She's been back for a week now and hasn't said anything. Should I just initiate conversation again or is she not into me?

Well there could be 2 reason's 1. she's not into you 2. she forgot about it.
your best changes are to chat a little bit with her like how she's doing etc.. and say like your gonna hang out tonight with some friends. If she did forgot about the hang out thing then she should remember it. If she don't say anything about hanging out then she probably isn't into you. good luck :)
 
Well hell, I normally hate the idea of double dates, but it seems like the only way I'm gonna get a shot at this one girl is through a double.

The background is that she's one of my friend [has a boyfriend]'s roommates, whom she knows I've thought was really cute for a while. The reason the first date would be a double is that I've literally had the worst possible luck and timing whenever this girl is around--I'm on business call that I can't pause, I get stuck in a crowd, etc. Literally the worst luck you can have.

Maybe I'm overanalyzing it, because she said this girl was really shy and normally has to have her opinion on guys dragged out of her. She also remembered who I was even though I've only spoken to her once.

Any ideas other than a typical dinner & movie? My schedule also is a nightmare right now, but hopefully we can get something going on at night.
 
Guess what sexy bitch has a girlfriend!

<----- that sexy beast fuck yeah

I just have a problem of lasting way too long...I guess it's not a problem, but it's frustrating.

Dude it becomes a problem when you last tooo long (that's me)

I know this girl likes attention and is a flirt, but why contact the guy who asked her out and she said no to after all this time?
Bold is answer to question
About your situation, I would try to bring some wingmen, or go, say hi, socialize and then bail the fuck out! I agree that checking out her friends for potential mates is a good idea, but don't blatantly hit on any one girl, hit on all of them and let them see that this is your "normal you" so they don't feel alienated or that you are being sleazy. Your original girl will most likely have her woman juices flowing if she sees that you don't specially care about her and you might even get lucky.
Do this fast though. Hang out no more than 30 minutes.

I'm having a bit of trouble discerning the line between being 'nice' and being a 'nice guy'.
Whenever you find yourself doing something for a girl that you wouldn't do for a mate with full blown dick and she is not showing any tangible sexual attention to you, then you are being "too nice"
I've been talking to this girl for a while, off and on, and lately we've been talking a lot more recently.
Am I fretting too much and driving myself crazy?

Dude you are TEXTING. You can't have sex with your fucking phone. Stop fretting about this mail-friend bullshit, and don't think much of her until you can actually see her god damn face. Also, you never say a girl that you "like" her before she kisses your baby mask (face) There are exceptions, it's ok when you do it in a joke like setting, like "well I like you, but my mother would disapprove of you".
No flowers unless your dick has been inside her body more than 3 times.



She's been back for a week now and hasn't said anything. Should I just initiate conversation again or is she not into me?
I would call her up on her Bullshit: "So do you want to go out with me or not? I am rotting over here!"
Watch her scramble for excuses.



The reason the first date would be a double is that I've literally had the worst possible luck and timing whenever this girl is around--I'm on business call that I can't pause, I get stuck in a crowd, etc.
What you call worst luck, I call being a fucking ace! Girl sees I am busy, girl wonders what my deal is.
Don't do a double date! MAN UP! she remembers you! She wants you, or what? is she a swinger or what the shit? GO ALONE! You can do it champ
Any ideas other than a typical dinner & movie? My schedule also is a nightmare right now, but hopefully we can get something going on at night.
Are you ready for dating or not? GO MAKE SOME TIME. To answer your question, I would like to know What kind of stuff are you into?
 
I have a very small problem gaf. I was talking to this girl who I met on set one day, we had a nice little chat and became facebook friends before parting ways. I messaged her asking if she'd like to hang out and she said she was out of town (she has pictures to verify this). I responded saying to let me know when she's back and she said "I will :)". She's been back for a week now and hasn't said anything. Should I just initiate conversation again or is she not into me?
Good chance you'll see her in person again? You can playfully engage her then.
 
Will do. Also congrats on getting the girl.

Might I pick your brain, someone up suggested sending a little box of candies or what have you for valentines day. Yay or nay? Going out of my norm here. Ha.

OK, reread your posts again.

Let me ask you TWO questions:

1. Would you send a little box of candies to a male buddy?
2. Have you considered that she might just be having her pussy rammed by some college dude in NY?

Look man, the distance thing is too much. You should be more worried about that one girl you saw at the bookstore than some person that you will not be able to see in a long time! For your own sake, get yourself detached from this girl
 
I'm having a bit of trouble discerning the line between being 'nice' and being a 'nice guy'. I've been talking to this girl for a while, off and on, and lately we've been talking a lot more recently, and now I'm not sure what message I've been putting across. She goes to school in NY (me being in Philly) so we've been texting as our means of communication. We had a good time together before she went back to school (went to the aquarium, went to her house, she made mac n cheese, and we talked) and so I've been trying to keep in contact with her every so often.

Let me preface this by saying she told me straight up that shes not too keen on the texting thing and I understand that, so I don't incessantly text her, but it ends up being me initiating contact more often than not. Am I looking into this too much? A couple of the times I've sent her little anecdotes or cool places her and I should go to when she's back for spring break and she seems into the idea. Am I looking into it too much when I kinda think a bit to how I am mostly the one to initiate contact? Or should I accept that she truly isn't too big a fan of texting?

I don't want to friend-zone myself this time, as I am oft known to do, but I want to know where the line between being nice and being "a nice guy". I always have trouble putting my point across on what I want. What's a good way to say "Hey, I like you" with the current means of contact I have with her (phone, text, facebook), cause doing it through those means isn't something I really care to do, as it seems like a crappy way to do it.

Am I fretting too much and driving myself crazy?

If you have to ask, you're probably being 'nice guy'

I don't really like the term 'nice guy' because some people wrongly interpet the alternative as being 'not nice.' You never want to be an asshole to the girl. It's not about being nice vs being not nice. I've known people who get upset about always being the 'nice guy' and they turn around and become dicks; their luck with women doesn't improve, but now people think they're a douchebag.

It's really about being platonic vs being romantic. If you meet a girl you'd like to get to know romantically, you need to be romantic from the start. You obviously start off light and playful, but it should still be clear to them that you're coming on to them. If you come off as someone who just wants to be friends (you keep playing it safe and don't communicate anything romantic/sexual), that's where they'll set their expectations for you and that's how you get friendzoned.

I have a feeling this girl won't react to a valentine's gift the way you'd hope she would, but I'm only going off the post I'm quoting above (I don't know the entire context).
 
That's really lame, man (and not the cute kind of lame). Don't send her that.

That card is just pussy:
1. You don't tell a girl she is cute.
2. If you do, you don't do it via card
3. If you do, you don't say "kind of" cute

I am truly a nice guy. I do shit for other people that most people don't do. But I am a nice guy to everyone

Thing is, I don't stand women's bullshit. Many things that I say and do in front of a woman project the following message:

"You try to pull one bullshit move on me and you will lose your one shot"

Girls have so much trouble getting attention from the men they want, that when they see they have an opportunity with a genuinely nice guy with ambition and that will respect them and adore them, they should start running to get in fucking line. Us men have the advantage of choosing which girl we approach. Girls have the advantage of choosing which one out of all their suitors will be her mate.

As soon as you realize and work on being the best partner there can be, you will no longer tolerate bullshit. They will be too careful to not lose you to do anything that might displease you. They will stop talking about their exes, talking about what guy they thought was hot, asking you to hang unless they want some romance. They stop being impossible and start being the sweet creatures we all love.

Most of them. Some are plain out crazy. Avoid
 
That card is just pussy:
1. You don't tell a girl she is cute.
2. If you do, you don't do it via card
3. If you do, you don't say "kind of" cute

I am truly a nice guy. I do shit for other people that most people don't do. But I am a nice guy to everyone

Thing is, I don't stand women's bullshit. Many things that I say and do in front of a woman project the following message:

"You try to pull one bullshit move on me and you will lose your one shot"

Girls have so much trouble getting attention from the men they want, that when they see they have an opportunity with a genuinely nice guy with ambition and that will respect them and adore them, they should start running to get in fucking line. Us men have the advantage of choosing which girl we approach. Girls have the advantage of choosing which one out of all their suitors will be her mate.

As soon as you realize and work on being the best partner there can be, you will no longer tolerate bullshit. They will be too careful to not lose you to do anything that might displease you. They will stop talking about their exes, talking about what guy they thought was hot, asking you to hang unless they want some romance. They stop being impossible and start being the sweet creatures we all love.

Most of them. Some are plain out crazy. Avoid

Exactly.
Besides, being nice is not a problem, guys need to stop being push overs/white knights. It's pathetic, really.
My girlfriend always says I'm the nicest guy ever, but she knows I have a low tolerance for bullshit. She actually calls me a jerk and an asshole too, though so I don't know.
 
I'm going to be a dick here and say that if it's the same girl BW had been chasing and complaining incessantly about, then he's a straight-up idiot.
 
Third date ended at my place. Needless to say, we had fun

HAHA! Have a cigarette

That was sudden :P

Flu girl? Or were you playing the field a bit? Congrats regardless

Flu girl. Turns out she really was sad that she could not go out with me today, sent me a couple of sms's ("Just ate your Twinkies and was thinking about you <3" to which I answered "Now I have to eat YOUR Tinkie! ;)") then went to her house and we talked about the whole thing and I believed her story. She didn't want to blow the friendship away so she was confused. Serious family trouble. She likes me. I told her I am no boy, I am a man and I own up to what I show, and that is what sold her. We kissed (just a little though, didn't want me to catch the flu), watched some series and then I bailed so she could get some rest.

So I put my foot down, was harsh (but fair) with her when she blew me off (the date, no BJ today lol) and I still got the chick (and she got the dude).

I'm going to be a dick here and say that if it's the same girl BW had been chasing and complaining incessantly about, then he's a straight-up idiot.

I am no idiot, but you are entitled to your opinion
 
Good luck, dude. No snark meant whatsoever.

So I'll probably be bringing some extra cash for a motel room tomorrow night. Good god, this girl is something else. If she's just a big tease, sure I'll be bummed, but it's been a hell of a fun week nonetheless. Teasing and flirting are my bread and butter, and this girl gives as good as she got it.
 
Oh man thank god it's friday! Time to hit the bar scene of my town with my mates, we'll see how this evening will turn out girl-wise.
The evening was great! Talked to a bunch of girls, high fived random people and had free drinks coming all night. Also a female friend of mine hooked me with this really hot blonde, she studied in a university and was a teacher also. Hot and smart, damn. Got her phone number and agreed to have a date sometime.

Also the singer girl I was talking about earlier texted and called me the whole night. She is super nice, but a bit clingy perhaps. We shared a cab and I gave her a kiss after the ride. She also called me soon after I left the cab and wanted to talk until she was home. Also turns out she might be rich as hell, this is somewhat intimidating.
 
The evening was great! Talked to a bunch of girls, high fived random people and had free drinks coming all night. Also a female friend of mine hooked me with this really hot blonde, she studied in a university and was a teacher also. Hot and smart, damn. Got her phone number and agreed to have a date sometime.

Also the singer girl I was talking about earlier texted and called me the whole night. She is super nice, but a bit clingy perhaps. We shared a cab and I gave her a kiss after the ride. She also called me soon after I left the cab and wanted to talk until she was home. Also turns out she might be rich as hell, this is somewhat intimidating.

And why is that?
 
I seem to have a slight problem. When I go out (I'm at College) on the weekends, I only seem to attract unattractive girls. I have two specific girls constantly coming after me that I am really not attracted to in any way. In one way it is sort of flattering and creepy (I've told both of them I just want to be friends, one of them is really nice the other seems mildly psychotic), but I also feel like they are kind of blocking me from moving on to bigger and better things.

There is also a group of girls in my dorm a few halls down that are all really attractive. I vaguely know all of them, I had dinner with them once a long time ago, but I haven't really spoken to any of them since (there's 5 of them). Last weekend I thought I'd take a chance with one of them (just asked her to dance at a party) and got shot down. If I got shot down by one of them, what are my chances with any of the others, because I always felt like at least one of them was attracted to me. I don't know if the other girls know I got denied, but I feel like that puts me in a bad spot with them.
 
What you call worst luck, I call being a fucking ace! Girl sees I am busy, girl wonders what my deal is.
Don't do a double date! MAN UP! she remembers you! She wants you, or what? is she a swinger or what the shit? GO ALONE! You can do it champ
Haha that's the thing, I would normally have no trouble approaching a girl but the only times I spot this one I get pulled away by a professor or something like that. Hence why my friend jumped in. Normally I move fast on girls I like but the circumstances on this one have been totally whack. And obviously I'd prefer a single date, but it'd effectively be a blind setup with how little we've actually interacted. She thought a double would make it less awkward.
Are you ready for dating or not? GO MAKE SOME TIME. To answer your question, I would like to know What kind of stuff are you into?
Oddly enough I'm not too into bowling. Typically I like more laid-back, conversation driven dates, but normally that's after I've broken the ice with a girl (sorta different than this scenario). Drinking and raising hell are part-time hobbies, haha!
 
Okc sucks in the LI/ny metro area...its literally nothing but wannabe hipster transplants living in Brooklyn talking about their graduate degrees. If it allowed you to search by "5 miles" that would be cool but minimum is 25...lame.

Sorry! Had to vent.

Some people might benefit from reading: www.reddit.com/r/seduction

Don't take everything they say to heart as most of them are trying to be players. But if you sort by top all time and read the first few pages of posts and comments I guarantee you'll learn some new information to help your love life, social life, and maybe career life.

If you need a wingman... hit me up. :P I find most of my best matches tend to be from Astoria but that's way too far from me (live near Stony Brook)
 
Her parents own well known stores and other companies. She also lives in a neighbourhood where only rich people live. Yesterday she was taking a limo ride with her friends while going out.
And why would that be a problem?

I don't know if the other girls know I got denied, but I feel like that puts me in a bad spot with them.
ask them, what have you got to lose?

Oddly enough I'm not too into bowling. Typically I like more laid-back, conversation driven dates, but normally that's after I've broken the ice with a girl (sorta different than this scenario). Drinking and raising hell are part-time hobbies, haha!
Can you think of a date that involves talking that doesn't involve raising hell and having more than 2 drinks?
 
Her parents own well known stores and other companies. She also lives in a neighbourhood where only rich people live. Yesterday she was taking a limo ride with her friends while going out.

You're thinking way too far into the future. You're not asking her parents for her hand in marriage. Your life and career is also not fully set in stone yet. For all we know, you could invent something that'll make you millions within the next 5 years. Who knows. All of this said, you need to stop giving a fuck. I've some really wealthy friends and they're all really nice (defying the rich people = dicks stereotypes) so don't assume just because she's rich her parents or her friends are going to be assholes.

You're not even taking this girl on dates yet. If you get deeper into things, like meeting her parents, I have experience (dating girls with wealthy parents) with this situation so I'll share that info when and if it matters.

Just focus on having fun, getting to know her, and finding out if she's not crazy for now. c:
 
Long-time lurker, first-time poster here. Got a bit of a story for everyone, hoping just for opinions. Think of this as a venting post, just want to hear what others think. You people are the only ones I've told this, I generally keep my love life private from my friends (majority of them are too immature).

Try to follow if you can. My thanks in advance to anyone who reads the whole thing. So, here goes...



Years ago I attended a lady-friend's birthday at a club. It was there I met her friend "Girl A", who immediately took to me and made moves to grind. I'm not one to ever refuse this so I went ahead, then at one point I stopped because I wanted to see what else the club had to offer. Girl A is extremely attractive, has a big ego. I am confident most people would rate her at least an 8.5 or 9. She is your typical shallow party chick.

The night ends, we all split. It was during this time that I was new to Facebook and was trying to network. I was adding everyone and their mother, lol. After a month or so I randomly spotted Girl A on a friend's wall, and I added her. I remembered that she was fun to party with and figured it couldn't hurt to have that kind of crowd. We start talking alot, exchanging playful messages and corny disses. She also posted some jokes about being in a Facebook relationship, and joked that I should take her out. Anyway, she invited me to go clubbing and from there we developed a very odd relationship. I spent every weekend grinding on that ass, but never took it further due to cultural differences and some doubts I had about her character. I figured she was ok with this since she eventually met someone else.

While meeting someone else she maintained a flirty and touchy relationship with me. Often times she would not invite her significant other and instead go out with me. Now, I don't like being a part of this kind of bullshit so I stopped communicating in order to respect myself AND her then-boyfriend. During this time she was speaking VERY ill of her then-boyfriend, since he was a rave junkie and very immature for a guy his age. What is ironic is that she became a rave junky as well, yet still talked crap about the guy.

So, we continued hanging out but with less talking and more of nothing. At one point I started attracting other women, which made her QUITE jealous. One particular night 3 of us went clubbing, and I ended up making out with her friend just because. Funny enough, she hit on some random dude 3 seconds after I did this, LOL! When we hung out after this she would often deliberately ignore me.

Anyway, time passed and she accused me of being a player, not knowing how to love, weird things like that. Its odd because I was never in a relationship with her to begin with. Our current "friendship" is awkward. She's developed a discomfort around me since I discovered she was a rave junkie, and often lies about the fact completely. Sometimes she starts lying out of the blue. When we hangout now there is little talking. She often maintains silence even though she is out-going.

What often happens is we won't speak for months, then she'll come out of nowhere and initiate some contact. It usually goes nowhere. We agree to hangout but for whatever reason it never works out. She just recently invited me to an event, I already declined.


I can't lie, I've had a great urge to fuck her. The reason I've held back is because I fear such intimacy could make me like her too much. She's very attractive and fun, yet could be dangerous just because of that. I've managed to hold it all back in order to preserve my own sanity.

SO, GAF:

What's her deal? Did she like me or was she just into me because of intimidation and the fact that I rejected her?

I've dated and had sex since then--albeit not often, mind you--but her recent invite has got me wondering. Want to see what you guys (and girls?) think.
 
I now have a date for Wednesday night. I've been working everything I've learned in this thread on this girl and it has been paying off. The final thing that I think clinched her interest in me was telling her I was gonna vape weed with my friends last night, but the guy with the machine passed out so we never got to. She thought I was against weed when I'm actually for it. After I told her I was open to it she just started talking to me, not even about weed, just being more open.

The last hurdle, aside from my Cystic Fibrosis, is the fact that I still consider myself somewhat of a Christian, but I'm shifting more towards agnosticism, while she is an atheist. But she seems pretty open to opinions. Hell, I haven't been to church since Christmas and I'm not feeling any desire to go until Easter week. I'm of the opinion beliefs are a very personal thing and I rarely bring mine up unless asked. My parents, one is a recently ordained Episcopal priest, are also very open to my not going to church much. They both agree that as I become an adult my faith will morph with me, it is all a time of growth and personal formation.
 
SO, GAF:

What's her deal? Did she like me or was she just into me because of intimidation and the fact that I rejected her?

I've dated and had sex since then--albeit not often, mind you--but her recent invite has got me wondering. Want to see what you guys (and girls?) think.

It does seem like you can quite easily make a move and at least make out with her. I would hit it too, and maybe you are right. If the sex is really good (which will probably be cuz it has been building up for a while), you might start to like her a lot, BUT you have to remain level-headed and think practically on it all. From the beginning, you knew her type. Unstable I think it's what I would qualify her type as. You also know how she treated a past boyfriend. If you introduce all the drags of a relationship, what is to say that she won't get bored with you, and look for attention elsewhere?

Just keep asking yourself, "should this be my life partner and mother of my children?" if not, have fun, and take it for what it is. If you are young, now is the time to make stupid decisions and enjoy them.
 
Just keep asking yourself, "should this be my life partner and mother of my children?" if not, have fun, and take it for what it is. If you are young, now is the time to make stupid decisions and enjoy them.
She often presents herself as two people to me. On one hand she's a shallow idiot, on the other hand she loves kids (I've seen it with my own eyes). That kind of stuff makes me melt inside. I have a strong defense up until I let that person in, which is why I've been ignoring and hiding. Fucking her would definitely be amazing, we're talking YEARS of sexual tension. But, as you said, I'm afraid of her type. The last thing I need is deep depression due to a failed relationship. I just got into Law school, I'm looking to move forward.

EDIT: I'm a white Christian and she's Islamic. That alone means there is absolutely NOTHING that can come of anything.
 
Okay, so my GF's friends don't seem to like us together. She's in HS (I'm 18, she's 17). Apparently there is a lot of shit talk going around for absolutely no reason. I know they like us individually, but not together. Probably cause me and her hang out often. I've hung out with her and her friends simultaneously, and they seemed to have a great time.

I'm a guy who almost never receives hate, I am generally likable. I really can't stand drama, yet they seem to be way too willing to start it. Some of you must have dealt with this before. What should we do? I can't exactly tell them to fuck off, as that would be immature.
 
SO, GAF:

What's her deal? Did she like me or was she just into me because of intimidation and the fact that I rejected her?

I've dated and had sex since then--albeit not often, mind you--but her recent invite has got me wondering. Want to see what you guys (and girls?) think.

If she was as hot and ego manic as you said, she probably digged you because you seem to ignore that aspect of her. You could have/probably still can hit that but I would not be surprised if she ignored you completely after that.
 
Okay, so my GF's friends don't seem to like us together. She's in HS (I'm 18, she's 17). Apparently there is a lot of shit talk going around for absolutely no reason. I know they like us individually, but not together. Probably cause me and her hang out often. I've hung out with her and her friends simultaneously, and they seemed to have a great time.

I'm a guy who almost never receives hate, I am generally likable. I really can't stand drama, yet they seem to be way too willing to start it. Some of you must have dealt with this before. What should we do? I can't exactly tell them to fuck off, as that would be immature.

Well...my logic is if you want to be attached to a girl, you got to also be attached to those close to her as well.

Feeling insecure is ok I think, just have a talk NICELY to your GF?
 
Well...my logic is if you want to be attached to a girl, you got to also be attached to those close to her as well.

Feeling insecure is ok I think, just have a talk NICELY to your GF?
Of course, I know that feeling. Her family loves me though, which is great. I just have not done a damn thing to earn this.

We've talked about it, I was a bit angry and I think she could tell. One of them in particular is clearly bitter, so she's been a bitch to my GF as well. I'll try to hang out with them more often. Thanks for the help. I would appreciate any other help people can offer.
 
Just got back from my date. She was SOOOOOO cute, my lord. We sat down to eat, and she couldn't decide what to have because she was giggling so much from my constant eye contact. Never a lull in conversation, which was what I was afraid of all night, then as we're leaving the restaurant, she takes my hand and leads me over to her car, where I push her up against it and kiss her hard. We made out for about ten minutes in the freezing cold with cars driving by us before we got dessert at DQ. Talked a little bit more, a bit on the serious side this time, then left at closing. Made out a lot more, some fingering happened, and we made a second date for Monday. Overall, a successful first date in my opinion.
 
Just got back from a third date. Here's a trick for those who are in the "in between" phase where you don't know of you should ask her out or not. YMMV.

I looked into her eyes and said "you know... we're at that point where we kinda don't know where to go from here... kinda like we should..."

Then I started pointing to her and myself back and forth

She says "become official?"

I respond "I was thinking more along the lines of get matching shirts but I guess that works" lol. Worked like a charm. I officially asked her out after...
 
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