Dating-Age |OT3| Positivity, Confidence, and Not Being a "Nice" Guy

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I think I'm a decent conversationalist. Hell, sometimes you can't get me to shut up, I just keep going and going. It's just initiating conversation that's an issue. In class, I can have pretty good conversations with people around me after a week or two of adjusting to new people.

The keep going and going is incredibly annoying. Good conversation skills requires listening time too, and knowing if the person you're talking to is getting really tired and just wants to fall asleep like me on my last first date. Girl, foot diseases ain't that interesting!

Anyway, a while ago (I think it was in my thread, Dating-age 2), I said that if getting a girl was that hard, our species would cease to exist. There are stupid, ugly and crazy ass people, that somehow, managed to attract someone of the opposite sex and have kids with them.

It's the stupid, ugly, and crazy that are procreating. The rest of us are just having sex. I think this is an important distinction because if you looked at the stats in the Western world people are having less kids.

But you're right, don't forget there is a biological imperative. "SEX! Now for women, too!"

However, don't be get caught up in comparing yourself to others. Hell, don't even compare yourself to others in this thread. Just do your thing and do what you think is right for you. Just adhere to the general tips that people give. Ultimately, every situation is different. You have to play it by ear and go with the flow. Just do your best. That's all you can do.

That is the TLDR version of 'why not get jealous'. Well put.

You're kidding right?

The amount of "I met this chick but I'm kinda also seeing these other chicks"/ "Don't worry I've got a back up date" posts I've seen in this thread make me think its quite the opposite, especially when I see this replicated among most of the men I know, but none of the women.

The difference is women IN relationships have backup suitors. And every single woman I know has them and not even one of the men.

I've got two dates this week.

One was originally scheduled for today, but cancelled because she caught the flu. We might be up for Monday if she gets better by then. I initially wasn't that keen on her because she was 18, but after talking to her more, I really like her, plus she's pretty damn attractive.

The other one is with someone my age, doesn't seem as interesting as the first, but might light up in person.

I still feel bound by my dating history and have this sense that neither of these two are going to work out for some inexplicable reason. It's awful and I realize I shouldn't feel that way, but I can't help it. It's just a bit frustrating if anything.

On the plus side, Avengers is coming out this week! HYPE. Also, I told my lesbian friend that if both dates flatline, we're going out to town and picking up cute ladies the old fashioned way.

Is there something wrong with having a sense that things aren't gonna work out? That's pretty much how I feel but I'm enjoying myself, continuing to meet new people, and I'll let things work out if they will. As long as it doesn't negatively affect your actions too much, it's OK to have doubts. It's good to listen to your instincts, I think.

Also now I'm imagining a fantasy scenario where you both find a bisexual woman and...
 
It's been a bit over a month since my ex fiancée of 5 years broke up with me and she still sends me Draw Something plays. Even went to far as to "nudge" me because I didn't respond to one that fast a couple of days ago. I'm probably reading too much into that but it's just weird since she started responding again after I unfriended her off of FB. Life is weird. Why would she care if I responded or not? I guess I'm just still confused that she would want to still do that.

Emotionally wise it's gotten better. I still miss her and have even hung out with a couple of girls. Ugh.
 
(ie. roommate comes home with girls and hooks up with them while he's there), he shouldn't be bothered by it.
He does--what, did you guys really think I made that post out of jealousy? No, I made it because he brings the morons home (and they ARE morons, I at least try to be nice to them and make chit chat) and fucks them in the room next door, then I generally have to put up with them in the living room or retire once I get too much of a headache.

But it was a spur-of-the-moment post; it's not a big deal (and I totally agree with the rest of that big post of yours).
 
Ye Sealda it sounds like you were way too needy. Imaging the opposite situation where you had a girl constantly texting you asking where you were, what time your arriving, where you are when your late, why you dont text back etc. It would be incredibly annoying.

Just forget it and move on. Dont overthink it and try to weasel your way back in. That is just a continuation of your neediness. Start focusing on other girls, build your social value back up and maybe you can try again in the future.
 
True that and fuck them and their irrationality

No.

There is nothing irrational about getting skeeved out by the stench of desperation.

Your weakness is not an excuse to get angry at others. Work on yourself and you will be happier. We've all been there, except for the unfairly gifted and the liars.
 
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Don't take it the wrong way, but you handled all of that wrong and way creepily. That's OK. I think everyone gets into a creeper mood at some point.

Specifically it fell apart when you brought a girl to the party where you wanted to see another girl. That is a MAJOR fuck up.

Secondly, she's obviously dating the one guy, not quite to boyfriend phase. I think you had a chance but you blew it when you glommed on to this girl like you did. You constantly went after her, every moment wanting to know where she was, what she was doing. That destroyed you. It was you, not anyone else.

The second you ask a girl why they're not messaging you that weakens your position drastically no matter what and makes you seem controlling even if you're not. Major alarm signs go off.

Finally, if I was that girl I'd be seriously afraid that you're a serial killer right now, showing up at a place and asking her why she doesn't reply. Jeez.

Not gonna bash you, but seriously don't do that stuff.

sealda maybe you should send her like 500 emails?

Lol, I wasn't even half way before I wanted to find that emoticon to copy paste.

I swear it's easier to just get laid than to actually snag a chick you like as a person.

That is absolutely definitely true, and most people have probably experienced that (by end of life I mean). Our sex drive is 'simple', our entire complex brains and all that are not.

Also, so this girl you didn't actually date once? I wouldn't have texted her so much, as fun as that can be, unless you want to be friends. Old advice, but you're giving her free attention. If you limit yourself from the start she knows she'll have to seek you out for attention. Then you can build a lot more intimacy on all fronts.


Been seeing a woman for about a month. Things are going good and I should be happy and take everything for what it is, but I seem to over-analyze a lot and have high expectations. I also seem to always rush into strong feelings way too quickly and then feel like shit because I can tell I feel more involved then the person I'm seeing.

Any tips on how to be cool and not always be like this in relaitonships?

Date more than one woman at a time (when early in a relationship). I think this is crucial. It gives you perspective, makes you more secure when there naturally is no security in meeting someone early on. It'll be harder to have ALL your feelings for a single person that way.
 
Ye Sealda it sounds like you were way too needy. Imaging the opposite situation where you had a girl constantly texting you asking where you were, what time your arriving, where you are when your late, why you dont text back etc. It would be incredibly annoying.

Just forget it and move on. Dont overthink it and try to weasel your way back in. That is just a continuation of your neediness. Start focusing on other girls, build your social value back up and maybe you can try again in the future.


i already have plenty girls, thats why i felt i did not need to cherish my reputation w this girl...back fired


low g thanks for the explanation! makes sense now!
 
Guys I need advice.

Meet this incredible cute girl in match.com in the middle of last week. We've been writing to eachother on match.com and at the end of last week she added me to Facebook. We have been chatting everyday till Friday when I took the bus to meet my sister that is in the hospital. The day before we agreed that we would see each other with her sister. she said that she had a great time.

I came home we chatted some more and she said she had a good time with me. Now the thing is that she is not feeling well, she tried to take her life last year because of her shitty ex boyfriend and is home on sick leave (or whatever you call it in America) . She doesn't have that many friends and we share the same interest (diablo, aliens and many more) which I'm happy since nobody else seems to have the same interest as me.

She hasn't been online since then and today morning she added a guy her friendliest on Facebook..
I know she has a life and so do I but I'm getting terrible Anxiety since she is the first girl that has shown interest in me since everyone in match.com and here I live seems to ignore me completely. I really don't want to lose her :( I'm sick and tired of being alone and I don't have the will power to go and find another one like her.
 
Guys I need advice.

Meet this incredible cute girl in match.com in the middle of last week. We've been writing to eachother on match.com and at the end of last week she added me to Facebook. We have been chatting everyday till Friday when I took the bus to meet my sister that is in the hospital. The day before we agreed that we would see each other with her sister. she said that she had a great time.

I came home we chatted some more and she said she had a good time with me. Now the thing is that she is not feeling well, she tried to take her life last year because of her shitty ex boyfriend and is home on sick leave (or whatever you call it in America) . She doesn't have that many friends and we share the same interest (diablo, aliens and many more) which I'm happy since nobody else seems to have the same interest as me.

She hasn't been online since then and today morning she added a guy her friendliest on Facebook..
I know she has a life and so do I but I'm getting terrible Anxiety since she is the first girl that has shown interest in me since everyone in match.com and here I live seems to ignore me completely. I really don't want to lose her :( I'm sick and tired of being alone and I don't have the will power to go and find another one like her.

Well, telling you not to be anxious won't do anything. That's something that needs to be addressed by a professional, not any of us. Anyway, it's probably co-worker, old classmate or a friend. It's not that big of a deal.

I just have to ask, why didn't you get her number? Seems to be a much more sensible means of communication right.
 
Well, telling you not to be anxious won't do anything. That's something that needs to be addressed by a professional, not any of us. Anyway, it's probably co-worker, old classmate or a friend. It's not that big of a deal.

I just have to ask, why didn't you get her number? Seems to be a much more sensible means of communication right.

Forgot to add that I got her number the day before I went to see her
 
Guys I need advice.

Meet this incredible cute girl in match.com in the middle of last week. We've been writing to eachother on match.com and at the end of last week she added me to Facebook. We have been chatting everyday till Friday when I took the bus to meet my sister that is in the hospital. The day before we agreed that we would see each other with her sister. she said that she had a great time.

I came home we chatted some more and she said she had a good time with me. Now the thing is that she is not feeling well, she tried to take her life last year because of her shitty ex boyfriend and is home on sick leave (or whatever you call it in America) . She doesn't have that many friends and we share the same interest (diablo, aliens and many more) which I'm happy since nobody else seems to have the same interest as me.

She hasn't been online since then and today morning she added a guy her friendliest on Facebook..
I know she has a life and so do I but I'm getting terrible Anxiety since she is the first girl that has shown interest in me since everyone in match.com and here I live seems to ignore me completely. I really don't want to lose her :( I'm sick and tired of being alone and I don't have the will power to go and find another one like her.

All I can say is it starts with a trickle and then it starts to rain. She may be your first but if you can get her interest you can get others, seriously. Your perspective may make you think otherwise, but your perspective is skewed by anxiety.

You found her, you did have that will power. That will power won't go away, it'll only grow because now that you know you've achieved one point of success you'll try for 2, then 4, and so on.
 
All I can say is it starts with a trickle and then it starts to rain. She may be your first but if you can get her interest you can get others, seriously. Your perspective may make you think otherwise, but your perspective is skewed by anxiety.

You found her, you did have that will power. That will power won't go away, it'll only grow because now that you know you've achieved one point of success you'll try for 2, then 4, and so on.

I've been trying for 12 years and in 2 years I will turn 30. Everyone I know has a girlfriend, family or has had a girlfriend/wife. In fact I'm the only one that hasn't gotten a girlfriend and I'm sick and tired of it.

Also I've tried to reinvent myself on match.com with no success at all. Heck, I've been training for 6 months now and nobody has even looked at my way. When I'm out with my friend to dance the girls alway pick him and I'm always standing alone. I'm always the one that has to force myself to go up and ask if they want to dance. Sometimes I wonder if I'm cursed or something like that
 
So, my long running friends with benefits just escalated to a full relationship. We'll see how that goes, i really like her as a person but i'm not too sure about my ability to keep a healthy relationship.
 
So, my long running friends with benefits just escalated to a full relationship. We'll see how that goes, i really like her as a person but i'm not too sure about my ability to keep a healthy relationship.

Just be open and honest with her along the way. Most relationships could be great or salvaged if people would just communicate worth a damn.
 
You were absolutely right on this one. Scary how spot on this was :D Old feelings gone and things are looking really good with my current girl. She's a catch. Thanks for the awesome advice man!

Feelings are fucking weird sometimes.
No problem. Great to hear it, man!

Been seeing a woman for about a month. Things are going good and I should be happy and take everything for what it is, but I seem to over-analyze a lot and have high expectations. I also seem to always rush into strong feelings way too quickly and then feel like shit because I can tell I feel more involved then the person I'm seeing.

Any tips on how to be cool and not always be like this in relaitonships?
First, take a deep breath.

Ok, the reason you're over-analyzing things is like you said, you're really digging this girl. It's only natural and it happens to the best of us. This is especially evident in the early stages of dating, when there are still a lot of unknowns and you haven't built up that level of trust yet. When you do finally build up that level of trust, chances are you won't be feeling like this anymore, but obviously that comes with time.

My advice? Play it cool and try to positively reinforce your thoughts by thinking of all great times/interactions you two have had together. You say things are going good so I would imagine you have at least a few instances that you can use. Tell yourself how awesome you are and how lucky she is to have you, try and stay positive. Positivity is key in these situations and will work wonders. Hope that helps!
 
Ye Sealda it sounds like you were way too needy. Imaging the opposite situation where you had a girl constantly texting you asking where you were, what time your arriving, where you are when your late, why you dont text back etc. It would be incredibly annoying.

Just forget it and move on. Dont overthink it and try to weasel your way back in. That is just a continuation of your neediness. Start focusing on other girls, build your social value back up and maybe you can try again in the future.

Sealda, this is pretty much what you have to do.
 
I know how this feels, the problem is that by the time I realize that a girl is attracted to me I end up doing something incredibly stupid or it's too late and they move on because I'm oblivious as fuck.

We live in the same world... but I'm usually not attracted to these girls when talking to them.
 
Then i text "Evening saved"...

I end the night really early but before leaving the building complex, i text her asking if she wants to meet me now. She does not respond. So i call her, she does not respond. So i call her like thrice in total that evening. I also, texted her, telling her,its a bit humiliating for me to be ignored.

The next day, i text her, saying its kinda rude not to answer and even if she answered no, i would not have a problem with it. And i say, its just a bit awkward and mean to ignore a person like that. After all, 3 texts and 3 phone calls. How hard can it just be to JUST FREAKING ANSWER "No, sorry" or "im sorry, but im tired!"

In one of the texts, i even told her "do not read up my txts to your friends please, dont tell them"

So,...

Today, i went to the grocery store...

and on the way out, i meet her and her gf. The gf is holding her hand basically. (she is a friend of hers, not a real gf, maybe she is, that would explain things)...

So, i just, get her attention, with a knock on her shoulder, as we crosses each other. Now, she continues to walk and i stop. And i ask in a non aggressive matter, more confused: "hey, why dont you text me back?" Then she just says nothing. and her gf tries to grab her to make her continue to walk away from me...

So, i take 1 step towards her, and grabs her hand, making her do a 180, so she are facing me,while her friend keeps walking away holding her..and, ask again "why, dont you text me? its so weird of you!"...and then, she just says "oh, im so sorry, ah, i was busy..."

so, i say "okay...well, u should answer my texts:S"...then, she says "oh, yea yea...CYA!"

and, then her friend already basically drags her away completely...everything is over in 15 seconds...


Now, her friend, i never really paid any attention at the party last friday. I talked to almost all of that girl gang expect her...and her friend is actually quite ugly...(from china btw).


Basically, my image in that group is now that i am a big creep! Which i am totally not. Let me tell you, that i no way, look like a weird guy. I actually look nice and dresses nicely etc. There are no "hidden details". I am no way, weird, in anyway. I never ever experience these reactions.

Basically, i think, her nutty friend has brain-washed her into thinking, she needs to stay way from me. Like "The best thing to do, is to ignore guys like him, they are nothing to keep" etc.



Now, my fucking problem is that, i DO NOT EVEN CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT THIS GIRL...But basically, in front of that whole gang of guys and girls of Japanese exchange students, im scared of getting a "Creepy" STAMP. Because, her stupid friend/s made me into a monster for doing nothing.

I do not think there is any chance of me getting this girl, BUT, i want to come clean from this terrible stamp on my forehead.

I am pretty sure, that if i talk to her tonite, (there is a huge party at her building complex),her friend will basically, drag her away, NO MATTER WHAT I SAY. Actually, i think, i am basically one confrontation away from one of her guys friends stepping in saying "Hey, man, just leave her alone, she does not want you, okay?! What is your problem"...The thing is, no matter what i say to her, what arguments i use, no one will basically hear it...they will only see Me (the monster) chasing after that poor girl again and the girl needs to be protected.


Things have escalated out of no where. Its all thanks to that chinese girl, jealous or just angry at me for probably not wanting her...


I have no idea what to do really...Maybe, become friends with her insane chinese friend? She seems to be her damn protector, willing to mark me a creepy pervert stalker for nothing just out of her own feelings...

Wow, way to come off as a creep. It went from bad (texting the girl, only to call when she hasn't texted back) to far far worse. You shouldn't ever touch a girl, especially when she hasn't answered your desperate cries for attention. The way you handled everything was just wrong and you have to analyze why a girl would see you as some creeper. Play it off cool next time man!
 
I had a great conversation with a girl on Saturday night and now can't find her on facebook :( However, she did mention she was doing a course at the same University as me so I had to resort to behaving like a stalker by asking student services for her exact name.

I wouldn't resort to such weird behaviour if she wasn't super cool... If that doesn't work out I won't be going super internet-detective on her. I guess I'll just have to learn from my mistakes.
 
Just be open and honest with her along the way. Most relationships could be great or salvaged if people would just communicate worth a damn.

Yeah, the escalation was gradual because i wanted to be as honest as possible, we laid it all on the table and decided to give it a try. Maybe it's not the most romantic start, but i'm crossing my fingers. Just feels weird being in a relationship again, i hope i won't make the same errors (mostly comparing it to past idealized relationships).
 
After them blantly cancelling their smoking after seeing me, the next time i saw her i touched her shoulder said hi and continued walk to the bar just ro show i saw her and im not gonna murder her looooool

Um... yeah... Sure.
That will show them... ?
 
Saelda HAS to be a joke poster at this stage....I mean if I'm wrong then so be it, no offense intended etc...

But I mean....come on! The intentional spelling errors, the blatantly creepy behavior that would be obvious to ANYONE, the continuous posting in this thread for attention even supposedly from the club that these girls also happened to be at, the continued creepy behavior even at the club, the misplaced rage etc...

I mean, sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction, so maybe I'm wrong and if so sorry to bring it up, but looking at the evidence there is just no way I can believe he is not trolling us, and if he is then everyone is playing right into his hands.

I don't know....I tend to be cynical and err on the side of caution but I mean come on!
 
After them blantly cancelling their smoking after seeing me, the next time i saw her i touched her shoulder said hi and continued walk to the bar just ro show i saw her and im not gonna murder her looooool

:)

You should leave. Why post so much about when you apparently don't care about her.

Ryujin: I think I agree - troll. But kind of funny.
 
After them blantly cancelling their smoking after seeing me, the next time i saw her i touched her shoulder said hi and continued walk to the bar just ro show i saw her and im not gonna murder her looooool

They think you're a freak and never want to see or be near you again. Sorry but you gotta realize this and you clearly aren't. To you, they don't exist anymore.
 
Saelda HAS to be a joke poster at this stage....I mean if I'm wrong then so be it, no offense intended etc...

But I mean....come on! The intentional spelling errors, the blatantly creepy behavior that would be obvious to ANYONE, the continuous posting in this thread for attention even supposedly from the club that these girls also happened to be at, the continued creepy behavior even at the club, the misplaced rage etc...

I mean, sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction, so maybe I'm wrong and if so sorry to bring it up, but looking at the evidence there is just no way I can believe he is not trolling us, and if he is then everyone is playing right into his hands.

I don't know....I tend to be cynical and err on the side of caution but I mean come on!

Probably.

Anyway, I've got a first date on Tuesday and we're going for coffee. If it goes well what could we do after that? When I've been for coffee with friends it never really lasts long.
 
Haven't you guys ever read a Sealda post? I don't want to gang up on the guy, but that's his regular posting style. He makes the best/worst crazy conjectures.
 
Wow, way to come off as a creep. It went from bad (texting the girl, only to call when she hasn't texted back) to far far worse. You shouldn't ever touch a girl, especially when she hasn't answered your desperate cries for attention. The way you handled everything was just wrong and you have to analyze why a girl would see you as some creeper. Play it off cool next time man!

Huh? The way he did it was creepy as hell, but really?
 
Also I've tried to reinvent myself on match.com with no success at all. Heck, I've been training for 6 months now and nobody has even looked at my way. When I'm out with my friend to dance the girls alway pick him and I'm always standing alone. I'm always the one that has to force myself to go up and ask if they want to dance. Sometimes I wonder if I'm cursed or something like that

Men are supposed to go up to girls, so YOU are the normal one. Some dudes have it that girls flock to them, but that is the anomaly. Perhaps going out with this friend is affecting your self-esteem? I know it was like that for me during high school, and college was an entirely different world for me in a different environment.

With that said, it doesn't seem like you are ready to date that girl AT ALL. It's the damn wrong reason to like someone because she's the one person to finally give you attention. You probably won't even manage to land a relationship with her, because you will reek of desperation.

You need to stop hating yourself or thinking you have some bullshit curse. At age 30, you don't reinvent yourself. You become damn proud of who you are as a person. Think of at least three good qualities you have, and what you have to offer someone else as a partner. From training, look at the changes of your body, and acknowledge that you look so much better now. If girl X doesn't appreciate this, fuck her, she doesn't deserve a minute more of your attention. Another girl will.
 
I've been trying for 12 years and in 2 years I will turn 30. Everyone I know has a girlfriend, family or has had a girlfriend/wife. In fact I'm the only one that hasn't gotten a girlfriend and I'm sick and tired of it.

Also I've tried to reinvent myself on match.com with no success at all. Heck, I've been training for 6 months now and nobody has even looked at my way. When I'm out with my friend to dance the girls alway pick him and I'm always standing alone. I'm always the one that has to force myself to go up and ask if they want to dance. Sometimes I wonder if I'm cursed or something like that

Me and you are the same. Im 28 too. But ive been training for 2 years+! Yaaaaaayyyyy!
 
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