GringoSuave89
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That'd be interesting if it wasn't bullshit.
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DC Extended Universe |OT2| A League of xX-=DaMaGeD=-Xx Gentlemen
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That'd be interesting if it wasn't bullshit.
Young Justice
Lol at Mamoa looking exactly the same
Gal looks like Katie Holmes there
Snyder is out, to be replaced by Paul WS Anderson
Was this the same one that said Gotham City Sirens had stalled a day before we got the update?
thehypocrite
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Smokey_Run
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It was in the past few days. I check r/DECUleaks from time to time to see the most recent dumps. I think it was listed 12/16 or something like that.
Haha, I just read that one. I keep up with r/DCEULeaks too
The very last one you posted gets points for being thorough and without any real leaps in logic.
Not enough Batman to be believable.
Smokey_Run
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The best is seeing the flip flop between Leto hating and being fine with Joker/WB lol.
Third box is the most convincing. Why? Cause when it comes to Aquaman instead of making shit up, they just say they haven't heard anything.
Third box is the most convincing. Why? Cause when it comes to Aquaman instead of making shit up, they just say they haven't heard anything.
Discotheque
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Hope and Inspiration. Hope and Humor. Tonal Balance. Hope and Optimism.
lmao. these people need some new descriptors. sooner or later they're going to change Geoff John's title to DCEU Hope and Optimism executive officer.
lmao. these people need some new descriptors. sooner or later they're going to change Geoff John's title to DCEU Hope and Optimism executive officer.
thehypocrite
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Pure hopioum!!
GringoSuave89
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Sad but true
Discotheque
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that's like the case for practically all comic book movies now though. speculating and arguing about them is more enjoyable than actually watching them.
Smokey_Run
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I'd say that's becoming the case for a lot of things these days which is rather depressing.
Poodlestrike
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I really like the plot of that first Riddler Batman movie, but it'd have to be really carefully done to avoid having people pick it to pieces over "but why's even trying to save them though."
Also, it's probably bullshit. But it could be cool.
Also, it's probably bullshit. But it could be cool.
GringoSuave89
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I really need to see how Snyder justifies Batman killing peeps in BvS before thinking of any Batman solo movie plotlines. I would love Under the Red Hood, but the crux won't work. I'd love that Riddler plotline from 4chan, but it also doesn't hold water. Like, I cannot think of a way to have Batman's sole rule work. It kinda fucks up a lot. Like, TDK wouldn't work with this Batman.
I really hope Snyder makes it work. I didn't think he could explain away Superman's destructathon from MoS, but I was incredibly satisfied. Hope the same happens here.
Poodlestrike
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Tbh, the Destructothon in MoS was always overblown. That shit was never really his fault.
As for Bats... I'm not sure. Under the Red Hood could work in a couple of different ways; you could keep Killer Batman, and have him argue that Jason is going too far even for him, or you could pretty easily explain BvS as Batman's nadir, and have him go back to no-kill afterwards, and use that to have him relate to Jason in a different way. He's been there, he understand the sheer appeal of killing, but he's realized that it's wrong. amn who kills is a man who can be made to kill the wrong people.
I think the second fits better with the whole arc. We know from Joker being alive that Batman wasn't going around killing people en mass before, and we can see from Alfred's behavior that Bruce's attitudes and behavior in BvS was atypical. So long as it's addressed, it doesn't seem an insurmountable obstacle.
GringoSuave89
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No, I agree, but at least it was addressed. Making the movie kind of hinge on it had the ability to be really stupid, and it worked, cause of all the pieces. Batman was pissed cause he personally lost from it, the government had to step in, Lex used it to get a foothold. It worked. And now Justice League, along with carrying the whole DCEU on its back, has to make me go "okay, I can see why Batman killed, and now I believe he is past that". Batman killing in BvS is kind of a mountain out of a molehill in that with the films, Batman always kills some poor sap, it's just not focused on for longer than a split second after it happens. Snyder's style makes that incredibly hard to do. Hell, I still wanted to write it off as just artistic license. But then that damn Ultimate Edition cut... They just had to have the guy that got hit by the box have a fucking bloodsplatter.... That's when I couldn't write it off like I could MoS' destruction. It's not artistic license at that point, Snyder wanted those dude's dead. It sucks.
It still is completely hypocritical. And not in any way to serve the story. The way the argument plays in the comic works cause you see Jason's side of it, and you have to at least slightly agree. If Batman was a killer, stopped, and then goes "hey man stop that killing", I can't side with him, I'm with Jason all the way. Batman kills, Red Hood kills, who cares?
Poodlestrike
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What if it's structured less like a lecture on morality ("hey man stop that killing 'cause killing is wrong") and more like a father's desperate plea to his son? "I've been where you are, you think you're making it better, but that's not how it really works." Throw in some context where Bruce is deeply troubled by his actions in BvS, boom.
I feel like the Marvel movies are so secretive for the most part, there aren't many rumors that don't turn out to be true. But then again I don't follow it as much as DC
GringoSuave89
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The only way I could see it work is with a shit ton of flashbacks. We would have to set up:
- Jason's backstory
- Batman during those years (shows how he was "then"/creates contrast with modern Bats)
- Jason's death and the fallout
- the string of events that gave us the Batman we see in BvS (has to be more than just Jason's death)
That is such a burden, having to bring up that much of the past, I can't see DC/WB/Ben wanting to go that way. Onwards and upwards, etc etc. The more I think about it, the less likely UtRH being involved in any meaningful way is... I just want my Jason Todd damn it. I have a feeling he's dead and staying that way in this universe.
More than anything, I just don't think there's a reason to create bogus leaks for Marvel, cause... they don't need it? Everything "leaked" from DC is either "hey, we're fixing all the things you hate, don't sweat it!" or "oh shit, we have no idea what we are doing, this universe is messed from the get go, we should just reboot". It plays into whatever narrative you want to believe about a cinematic universe with a crazy mixed track record. Marvel has been solid since day one. The craziest I've seen rumors go for Marvel is how the fucking Lego tie in sets fit into the movie.
That's why I thought us getting Giant Man in CW was bullshit, until we did hahaha
I think Snyder is more honest than other directors. People say it's gratuitous what happened in MOS and Avengers did it right, however Snyder wrote Superman into a position where he had trouble saving people he saved people when he could but it was one guy fighting three Superpowered brings who would not give him a breather to save people and will exploit his concerns if anything. Snyder shows how frightening that shot would be in real life, you couldn't be able to evacuate large amounts of people so quickly, people will stand and stare, when Iron Man leads a giant alien between skyscrapers the ground is unlikely to be barren and empty. When flying objects fly through the sky people may not immediately evacuate the building. People may not like this, but that's what would happen.
Also Arkham Bats is brutal, but do you think some of the criminals in the Arkham games didn't suffer from internal bleeding, broken bones and crushed organs? Boxers can die in the ring when they are punched with padded gloves and access to immediate first aid, Batman doesn't so much as call an Ambulance or do first aid. Batman may not kill immediately but his actions probably lead to deaths. The way people kid themselves about this is amusing
GringoSuave89
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First half of the post, I agree. I'm simply saying that the reaction was heard, it was explained and rationalized for what Snyder wanted to say, and I found it worked.
I disagree with the second half, cause you KNOW that no one takes a beating like the kind Arkham Batman dishes out and doesn't have severe injuries, but they are never shown, nor talked about. In BvS, it's right there. Nothing is left open, nothing can be brushed off as just "Hollywood blockbuster stuff". The majority of Batman stories don't touch on this, so for the sake of the narrative, we don't pay any mind. In Mad Love, Harley gets pushed out a window and survives. The likelihood in real life that a person would survive that fall, the one shown in the cartoon/comic, is low. But it's not real life, so you don't dwell. I can't not dwell on the Bat violence in BvS. It is front and center, it's that apparent. And yes, it serves a purpose to the narrative of the story, but it breaks a fundamental part of Batman.
I know a lot of people are sick of Batman, and how he has to be a part of everything WB/DC is doing, and I can agree that there is a bit of fatigue. But for such a comic accurate portrayal of Batman to fully disregard a key part of the character, it's just that much more infuriating. They just could not stick the landing, and I'm a bit peeved by it.
I hope at least some of this makes sense. I am crazy tired and I feel like I'm just typing nonsense at this point, but I wanted to at least try and explain myself hahaha
Batman has killed since detective comics 27. I get the feeling people let the many deaths in the Nolan films slide because it wasn't so brazen. I get the feeling people don't realise why certain decisions were made in BVS. Like the jolly rancher scene in BVS, the point of it was to compare and contrast how one senator was literally eating out of his hand whilst another Senator Finch told him to piss off.
Also, the killing is part of a character arc as was the case in Affleck's Daredevil but it's odd how people don't want certain characters to have an arc like Batman or Superman in the Snyder films. Captain America has had a limited character arc in all the Marvel movies. Meanwhile Batman starts off in a bad place and is looking to be less of a sadist by stopping with the branding. Superman doubts himself and tries to find his way in the world. Hell fucking Judge Dredd had more of a chatacter arc in Dredd, than say Captain America in all the marvel movies.
If the Martha scene had hit the way it should have and Alfred was a bit less cryptic about the "change" they wouldn't have to use another movie to explain what happened to Batman. It's what both scenes were meant to accomplish from point A to B. For me it worked out fine but I can definitely see why it wasn't enough for hardcore Batfans.
GringoSuave89
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And Alfred started out fat. Just cause that's how the character starts doesn't mean that's what's established. Batman has had the no kill rule for generations. Now I just think you're being contrarian. Plus I think you're reading far too deep into the film for subtext. A viewer shouldn't have to make connections that may or not be what the director/writer was going for. I'm not saying it should be dumbed down, just less ambiguity.
It's not just that those two scenes didn't land, it's that they made such a serve change to an established character. But thank you for seeing where I'm coming from
Razgriz-Specter
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That Sirens thing would be worth it for Shiva
Kelly Hu please.
Katana maybe having plot and characterization would also be nice.
Kelly Hu please.
Katana maybe having plot and characterization would also be nice.
Even though, without exception, these Reddit rumours are always absolute bollocks they are an oddly entertaining read.
Almost. It's the most coherent of the three sets of rumours but still clearly written by someone whose sole industry knowledge comes from IGN or something.
Abrams is developing a show called 'Glare' for HBO and the film and TV departments of major studios very rarely work this way.
King Arthur comes out May 2017. Also, WB already have Ocean's 8 scheduled for summer 2018.
I'd have thought that a "mid level" executive at Warners would know the year that the films his company makes are released.
Almost. It's the most coherent of the three sets of rumours but still clearly written by someone whose sole industry knowledge comes from IGN or something.
Abrams is developing a show called 'Glare' for HBO and the film and TV departments of major studios very rarely work this way.
King Arthur comes out May 2017. Also, WB already have Ocean's 8 scheduled for summer 2018.
I'd have thought that a "mid level" executive at Warners would know the year that the films his company makes are released.
broncobuster
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The person tries but immediately stumbles with the Interstellar mention.
And Alfred started out fat. Just cause that's how the character starts doesn't mean that's what's established. Batman has had the no kill rule for generations. Now I just think you're being contrarian. Plus I think you're reading far too deep into the film for subtext. A viewer shouldn't have to make connections that may or not be what the director/writer was going for. I'm not saying it should be dumbed down, just less ambiguity.
It's not just that those two scenes didn't land, it's that they made such a serve change to an established character. But thank you for seeing where I'm coming from
The thing is, I think the departure of the no kill rule was kinda needed. I often read people's arguments about how to improve the film and they often tried to argue that Batman would have his no kill rule but for Superman he'd drop it. It IMO makes sense to drop the no kill thing for consistency. What's he going to do put Superman in jail. Also Batman's no kill rule depends on the story cinematic Batman have killed more way more often than they have not. As for whether I am reading too much into the film, maybe but I think it's logical and consistent for the character.
bishopcruz
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I still think that people vastly overstate Batman's killing in BvS. The worst ones to me were the machine gun through the car, and the blowing up the people with the batwing. Everything in the warehouse scene was fine, he wasn't going out of his way to kill people and the stuff he did was in no way outside of stuff like Arkham. Also, you can bleed from the head and not be dead. It's not like there was brain splatter.
Major Gripex
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"OMG Gal Gadot can't even act in a picture!!!!!" - The HatersSomething for the holiday
Kenzodielocke
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To me, the Batmobile sequence was a mistake.
Cut that shit out and instead show us how Batman infiltratest LexCrop.
Cut that shit out and instead show us how Batman infiltratest LexCrop.
beyond_death
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For me, I think having a Batman that does not kill/cause collateral damage and even goes out of his way to ensure that there are no casualties makes his need to kill Superman more interesting. He feels so strongly about Superman being a threat that he is willing to break is rule and it could also add to the notion that he simply does not view Superman as a human being. Also it could give another dimension to the Martha scene, he last minute realizes he's about to become a straight up murderer for the first time. They wanted to make a Batman that is more brutal but it could have been achieved by just having him break bones or even torture a little. I dunno, its not a huge deal to me as I still fucking love this movie but if someone were to ask me what I would change, this would be it.
Holy fuck that was unexpected!
Holy fuck that was unexpected!
Something for the holiday
Very cool!
They can't bitch about the color in the picture so they had to say something else. I hate how easy it is to guess what the first set of comments in the OT threads will be. We can't even make it past page one anymore. Now it's the first comments in a thread where the BS starts.
Something for the holiday
Only just noticed the Flash symbol actually has white behind it.
Kenzodielocke
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Flash thinking on that picture "Fucking Aquaman got a movie before me? Damn."
When will you learn not to enter any DC related thread other than this one. ;P
broncobuster
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I want Affleck to go back to his BvS suit with a redesigned cowl for his Batman film.
I wanted either the LexCorp break in scene or a Batmobile scene in the Knightmare earth or against Doomsday. LexCorp break in would've been awesome though.
Yeah the BvS suit is already the GOAT Batsuit, just minor tweaks are enough for me. I hope we get to see a suit along the lines of Capullo's Rebirth suit at some point, the colors could look great on the big screen.
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