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[GraveRobberX]

I gave up on DC when Batman went from 2 good books to like 5+ mediocre books

DC always feels they have to reshuffle the deck every few years to stay in the comic news

Also duck Aqiaman (yes I'm still biased to that Mermaid King of the Sea)

 

[Angelus Errare]

Barry Allen, And Carol danvers are the CSPAN of comicbooks. Boring as shit and you wonder who reads the stuff

Goddamn…stealing that.

 

[ReiGun]

http://www.newsarama.com/26809-new-creative-teams-for-aquaman-new-suicide-squad-teen-titans.html

Greg Pak on Titans starting in Feb.

He's pretty damn solid.

Pak on Titans and Abnett on Aquaman.

We in there.

a lack of a fun teen book makes me think this as well.

An idea: A new "Young Justice" book starring an all female team consisting of Star Girl, Equinox, Bumblebee, Power Girl, Spoiler, and Arsenal/Speedy/whatever they decide to call Emiko.

It's diverse, features young girls with cool modern designs, and since they're just a bunch of c listers, the writers will have more freedom to do what they want. It'd be a hit with the crowd that likes Ms. Marvel and Batgirl and such.

Nu-52 Wonder Woman was fucking fantastic. The best that character has ever been.

No because

Just my opinion but WW being Zeus' kid took more away from her character then it added.

Pissed on Cassie too.

This. Also ruined the Amazons, failed to really flesh out its cast beyond a few characters, and most of it was spent on THE BABY.

Azz's run was alright, but far from the end all, be all of WW stories it's hyped to be.

 

[Arnie7]

Rumour has it that Marc Silvestri might be the new artist for Batman series.

 

[NumberTwo]

And then Azrael was only introduced in the universe like a month ago.

What book? I need more Azrael in my life.

 

[tim1138]

Pak on Titans and Abnett on Aquaman.

We in there.

An idea: A new "Young Justice" book starring an all female team consisting of Star Girl, Equinox, Bumblebee, Power Girl, Spoiler, and Arsenal/Speedy/whatever they decide to call Emiko.

It's diverse, features young girls with cool modern designs, and since they're just a bunch of c listers, the writers will have more freedom to do what they want. It'd be a hit with the crowd that likes Ms. Marvel and Batgirl and such.


No because


This. Also ruined the Amazons, failed to really flesh out its cast beyond a few characters, and most of it was spent on THE BABY.
Azz's run was alright, but far from the end all, be all of WW stories it's hyped to be.

Couldn't agree more. Azz's run went on way too long with the baby, it was basically a three year long arc that hardly developed any of the characters.
Perez, Rucka, and Simone are still the Wonder Woman runs to beat.

 

[Busaiku]

What book? I need more Azrael in my life.

Batman & Robin Eternal

 

[ReiGun]

Couldn't agree more. Azz's run went on way too long with the baby, it was basically a three year long arc that hardly developed any of the characters.
Perez, Rucka, and Simone are still the Wonder Woman runs to beat.

It's telling that the biggest thing we learned about Lennox - that he is Cassie's biological dad, making her Diana's niece - happened outside Wonder Woman and in Teen Titans. Scott Lobdell was more interested in developing that character than Azz was. Scott Lobdell.

And Lennox was still one of the standouts, along with Strife and Hera.

 

[NumberTwo]

Batman & Robin Eternal

Thanks!

 

[oni_saru]

If they make Hush and Heart of Hush canon again, then I'm game!! Still mad about that

 

[Shrennin]

That's another issue with New52 - they didn't have their continuity in order when the books launched. One of the big examples was the titles that were changed in the trades to remove any references to the original Teen Titans and Tim's tenure as Robin.

That's why I think IF you are going to do a reboot, it needs to be a full on reboot or none at all. It didn't help that DC wanted to maintain the 5 year timeline. I felt like that alone limited a lot of writers/artists.

 

[Johndoey]

Hush could of been such a good character but instead eh.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

The convoluted messes that the New52 made out of Bart Allen and Superboy's back stories are just plain mind blowing.

 

[Tragicomedy]

I know it is Bleeding Cool, so take it with a mountain of salt, but they're saying it'll be a relaunch with new issue #1s, aimed at being more accessible for the DCCU audience.

More Bat titles is basically impossible. They publish a dozen Bat titles per month.

 

[E the Shaggy]

DC tried Marketing with the New 52 in the form of attempting a once a week editorial writeup with Comic Book Resources, similar to Marvel's Axel Alonso feature.

It was an unmitigated disaster, with the editors essentially just saying that the fans were too mean when the only questions they ever got were about the mistreatment of their writers and artists at the time.

When people did ask questions about the characters or storylines, every response was basically "You'll have to wait and see!" So now you never hear anything from DC because they're terrified of fan backlash for whatever shit they've pulled recently.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

It's telling that the biggest thing we learned about Lennox - that he is Cassie's biological dad, making her Diana's niece - happened outside Wonder Woman and in Teen Titans. Scott Lobdell was more interested in developing that character than Azz was. Scott Lobdell.

And Lennox was still one of the standouts, along with Strife and Hera.

I'm pretty sure Azz told Lobdell to include that bit in Teen Titans since Cassie made no appearance in his run.

 

[Angelus Errare]

There should be a comic called Bruce Wayne, which is basically about how much drugs Bruce has to consume in order to be in like 7 different comic stories simultaneously.

 

[ReiGun]

I'm pretty sure Azz told Lobdell to include that bit in Teen Titans since Cassie made no appearance in his run.

Azz didn't even know there was a Wonder Girl. It was Scott's idea.

 

[nicanica]

For me DC died with 52. I loved and lived it before the event. Then DC shit on everything and deleted or ruined every character and book I cared about.

Shits made me bitter.

Essentially this for me. I fear that DC might be dead for me. I heard that they brought back the original heroes in convergence or whatever, but I just cant give a damn any more. The damage is done and the continuity is just a shit show. It's like their biggest ideas are to end and begin universes; and fail to plan ahead.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Azz didn't even know there was a Wonder Girl. It was Scott's idea.

Oh..........that's kinda funny. lol

Azz didn't care at all what was happening in the DC universe outside of his book. Never once did he mention WW's relationship with Superman at all throughout all 35 issues. The majority of people would say it worked best in his favor.

 

[kylecoley182]

I'm not buying Scott leaving batman until i hear it from him

 

[GringoSuave89]

I'm not buying Scott leaving batman until i hear it from him

Even before this Rebirth malarkey, it was rumored he and Greg got offered something new and DC spanning once Greg wrapped up with Millar. The rumor about Snyder taking over Detective is the only wrench in that rumor, but who knows.

 

[voodoopanda]

The blue color of the curtain in the image + rebirth.

This is just building hype for the return of Ted Kord Blue Beetle.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

There should be a comic called Bruce Wayne, which is basically about how much drugs Bruce has to consume in order to be in like 7 different comic stories simultaneously.

There's a Wolverine story about that (not the drug part, but what his week is like trying to appear in 10 different comics).

 

[Busaiku]

The blue color of the curtain in the image + rebirth.

This is just building hype for the return of Ted Kord Blue Beetle.

Who wants this.

 

[voodoopanda]

Who wants this.

Booster Gold

 

[kylecoley182]

Maybe theres going to be a big event this summer turning the back the cock.

 

[Satch]

Ain't nobody scared of Satch

you thought i wouldnt see this?

 

[Slayven]

you thought i wouldnt see this?

Your next question should be do I care?

 

[Blues1990]

If it's another large-scale relaunch, chances are we are going to go through the same song & dance number like the last 4 or 5 times they had to clean up shop. You know, to simplify and improve the DC Comics Universe by keeping what worked for the character, but will streamline their origins in contemporary contexts and get rid of decades of baggage. (Anyone remember the time when Ruhollah Khomeini had offered The Joker to become the Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations? How about that time when Marvel Comics had pseudo-resurrected Barry Allen after "dying" from Crisis on Infinite Earths, and then he had forgotten about that little trip when he was resurrected for one of DC's major crossover events?)

"This is the new status quo!" "We are marching onward with this."

Point is, I'm not buying that they are going to keep their word. They will most likely toss ideas around to see what works (and what doesn't), it will only be this way for 6-7 years, and then things will revert with whatever new concepts were popular.

 

[MHWilliams]

If it's another large-scale relaunch, chances are we are going to go through the same song & dance number like the last 4 or 5 times they had to clean up shop. You know, to simplify and improve the DC Comics Universe by keeping what worked for the character, but will streamline their origins in contemporary contexts and get rid of decades of baggage. (Anyone remember the time when Ruhollah Khomeini had offered The Joker to become the Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations? How about that time when Marvel Comics had pseudo-resurrected Barry Allen after "dying" from Crisis on Infinite Earths, and then he had forgotten about that little trip when he was resurrected for one of DC's major crossover events?)

"This is the new status quo!" "We are marching onward with this."

Point is, I'm not buying that they are going to keep their word. They will most likely toss ideas around to see what works (and what doesn't), it will only be this way for 6-7 years, and then things will revert with whatever new concepts were popular.

Honestly, if they want to keep reboot, they should just set a number.

"Every decade we're rebooting. Every 10 years, we'll take a look at your lineup, keep the good stuff, cut what doesn't work, and rework the shit."

Then you at least know what you're working with.

 

[kylecoley182]

a part of is thinking we are in a another Crisis event

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

More Bat titles is basically impossible.

Not really,

There could be a Batgirls book teaming up Barbara, Cass, Steph and Harper.
a Tim Drake book
Batwoman comic could return
Huntress comic

 

[Blues1990]

Honestly, if they want to keep reboot, they should just set a number.

"Every decade we're rebooting. Every 10 years, we'll take a look at your lineup, keep the good stuff, cut what doesn't work, and rework the shit."

Then you at least know what you're working with.

That....Is actually a good idea.

Huh.

 

[BKatastrophe]

Pak on Titans and Abnett on Aquaman.

We in there.

An idea: A new "Young Justice" book starring an all female team consisting of Star Girl, Equinox, Bumblebee, Power Girl, Spoiler, and Arsenal/Speedy/whatever they decide to call Emiko.

It's diverse, features young girls with cool modern designs, and since they're just a bunch of c listers, the writers will have more freedom to do what they want. It'd be a hit with the crowd that likes Ms. Marvel and Batgirl and such.

What about our Fuckless Females book? Diana, Barda, Mera, and Waller

 

[ReiGun]

What about our Fuckless Females book? Diana, Barda, Mera, and Waller

Well we were discussing fun books for the kids. Fuckless Females is for the older crowd that needs women who are bout that life.

 

[BKatastrophe]

Well we were discussing fun books for the kids. Fuckless Females is for the older crowd that needs women who are bout that life.

It's like Birds of Prey, only way less drama, because they're too busy straight body-bagging everyone.

 

[Satch]

#FreeStarling2016

 

[ReiGun]

It's like Birds of Prey, only way less drama, because they're too busy straight body-bagging everyone.

Exactly. They don't give a fuck what any of y'all talking about because they're too busy saving the world/universe/multiverse.

#FreeStarling2016

She in limbo already?

 

[Satch]

She in limbo already?

somebody can correct me if im wrong but Starling hasn't been in anything since she left the Birds of Prey

and it sucks cuz she was my favorite thing about the New 52 100%

 

[BKatastrophe]

Exactly. They don't give a fuck what any of y'all talking about because they're too busy saving the world/universe/multiverse.

I'm really excited for this series now

 

[ReiGun]

I'm really excited for this series now

It'll be dope once one of us takes over DC and forces someone to write it.

 

[BKatastrophe]

It'll be dope once one of us takes over DC and forces someone to write it.

I can't imagine anyone resisting it. At worst, remove Waller and call it "The Warriors Three."

 

[exmachina64]

Honestly, if they want to keep reboot, they should just set a number.

"Every decade we're rebooting. Every 10 years, we'll take a look at your lineup, keep the good stuff, cut what doesn't work, and rework the shit."

Then you at least know what you're working with.

Unless the next reboot makes the comics a shared universe with the DCCU, they should just reboot every year.

Each title's a limited run with "hot" creators, they get to put out new #1s for their major titles every year, they can try wacky approaches to continuity and not worry about the consequences.

Experiments like Grant Morrison's Multiversity could have filled out an entire year of publishing under this model.

 

[besada]

Honestly, if they want to keep reboot, they should just set a number.

"Every decade we're rebooting. Every 10 years, we'll take a look at your lineup, keep the good stuff, cut what doesn't work, and rework the shit."

Then you at least know what you're working with.

While reading comics today, I decided that Marvel and DC both need three lines of comics.

1. Cinematic Universe - used for marketing movies and bringing in new comic book readers.
2. Main Universe - Complex continuity, big events, all the mainstream cape stuff
3. Other - Out of continuity books of all sorts, with an eye towards new properties, new takes, and new talent. Elseword/What If books and series go here. Vertigoesque stuff, too. Non superhero stuff, as well.

Both publishers are trying to be everything to everyone, and it just keeps being a mess. When older reader's desires are diametrically opposed to new reader's desires, it's crazy trying to service both inside the same comic line. That's why we have the constant reboots, to give the new fish a place to start. But Marvel never quite goes whole hog, so it never quite cleans up its continuity, and DC blows up everything so regularly that it feels like we have a new round of origin comics every two or three years.

Let the main universe line run and run and run, building up the gooey continuity complexity and hereditary hero lines that long time readers love, and just reboot the cinematic universe every so often to coincide with whatever is being done with the films. Use it to draw new readers, and feed them into the main universe.

And, of course, all of the lines need to do a better job of catering to younger and more diverse readers, if the industry wants a future.

 

[BKatastrophe]

While reading comics today, I decided that Marvel and DC both need three lines of comics.

1. Cinematic Universe - used for marketing movies and bringing in new comic book readers.
2. Main Universe - Complex continuity, big events, all the mainstream cape stuff
3. Other - Out of continuity books of all sorts, with an eye towards new properties, new takes, and new talent. Elseword/What If books and series go here. Vertigoesque stuff, too. Non superhero stuff, as well.

Both publishers are trying to be everything to everyone, and it just keeps being a mess. When older reader's desires are diametrically opposed to new reader's desires, it's crazy trying to service both inside the same comic line. That's why we have the constant reboots, to give the new fish a place to start. But Marvel never quite goes whole hog, so it never quite cleans up its continuity, and DC blows up everything so regularly that it feels like we have a new round of origin comics every two or three years.

Let the main universe line run and run and run, building up the gooey continuity complexity and hereditary hero lines that long time readers love, and just reboot the cinematic universe every so often to coincide with whatever is being done with the films. Use it to draw new readers, and feed them into the main universe.

And, of course, all of the lines need to do a better job of catering to younger and more diverse readers, if the industry wants a future.

I'd support this

 

[MHWilliams]

While reading comics today, I decided that Marvel and DC both need three lines of comics.

1. Cinematic Universe - used for marketing movies and bringing in new comic book readers.
2. Main Universe - Complex continuity, big events, all the mainstream cape stuff
3. Other - Out of continuity books of all sorts, with an eye towards new properties, new takes, and new talent. Elseword/What If books and series go here. Vertigoesque stuff, too. Non superhero stuff, as well.

Both publishers are trying to be everything to everyone, and it just keeps being a mess. When older reader's desires are diametrically opposed to new reader's desires, it's crazy trying to service both inside the same comic line. That's why we have the constant reboots, to give the new fish a place to start. But Marvel never quite goes whole hog, so it never quite cleans up its continuity, and DC blows up everything so regularly that it feels like we have a new round of origin comics every two or three years.

Let the main universe line run and run and run, building up the gooey continuity complexity and hereditary hero lines that long time readers love, and just reboot the cinematic universe every so often to coincide with whatever is being done with the films. Use it to draw new readers, and feed them into the main universe.

And, of course, all of the lines need to do a better job of catering to younger and more diverse readers, if the industry wants a future.

Would the Cinematic Universe actually be tied to the films/TV, or simply the one that most reflects whatever is happening in those mediums?

For example, to use the recent Captain America news.

Steve Rogers: Captain America would be the Cinematic Universe book...

Sam Wilson: Captain America would be the Main Universe book...

And the John Walker: US Agent mini-series by Warren Ellis would be the "Other" book?

 

[besada]

I think the line would always be fuzzy, but I think the more tightly tied to the movies the comic line is the easier it is to bring people from the movies to the comics. In the same way they did the Marvel shorts, the Cinematic line can act as bridging between movies, introducing us to people coming up in the next film. And they need to do a better job with tie-ins, from the writing to the art. Quit worrying about how much Coulson looks like Coulson and get someone who does exciting art. Put some of your best writers on the Cinematic stuff, bcause it's going to be the first impression. They should also distribute the Cinematic line in non-comic shop venues, including grocery stores. Leave the other two at the comic shops, but get the cinematic books where mom and dad can grab them while shopping again.

 

[BlackGoku03]

I'm just now catching up on the New 52. Oh well. Let's see what they got.

Let's hope it sticks for a while this time.

 

[IndoAssassin]

While reading comics today, I decided that Marvel and DC both need three lines of comics.

1. Cinematic Universe - used for marketing movies and bringing in new comic book readers.
2. Main Universe - Complex continuity, big events, all the mainstream cape stuff
3. Other - Out of continuity books of all sorts, with an eye towards new properties, new takes, and new talent. Elseword/What If books and series go here. Vertigoesque stuff, too. Non superhero stuff, as well.

Both publishers are trying to be everything to everyone, and it just keeps being a mess. When older reader's desires are diametrically opposed to new reader's desires, it's crazy trying to service both inside the same comic line. That's why we have the constant reboots, to give the new fish a place to start. But Marvel never quite goes whole hog, so it never quite cleans up its continuity, and DC blows up everything so regularly that it feels like we have a new round of origin comics every two or three years.

Let the main universe line run and run and run, building up the gooey continuity complexity and hereditary hero lines that long time readers love, and just reboot the cinematic universe every so often to coincide with whatever is being done with the films. Use it to draw new readers, and feed them into the main universe.

And, of course, all of the lines need to do a better job of catering to younger and more diverse readers, if the industry wants a future.

I would add a 4th option, a separate lone universe continuity where, batman is the only superhero in his universe, superman in his, WW in his etc. They don't tie in with anything other than their own timeline and their own villains/sidekicks. With every line starting from year one, they could try to even bring about new characters this way, without needing to worry about all the crossover crap.