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DC Universe Rebirth Begins This May

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Slayven

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Would the Cinematic Universe actually be tied to the films/TV, or simply the one that most reflects whatever is happening in those mediums?

For example, to use the recent Captain America news.

Steve Rogers: Captain America would be the Cinematic Universe book...


Sam Wilson: Captain America would be the Main Universe book...


And the John Walker: US Agent mini-series by Warren Ellis would be the "Other" book?

When did Walker get his arm and leg back?
 

Patryn

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While reading comics today, I decided that Marvel and DC both need three lines of comics.

1. Cinematic Universe - used for marketing movies and bringing in new comic book readers.
2. Main Universe - Complex continuity, big events, all the mainstream cape stuff
3. Other - Out of continuity books of all sorts, with an eye towards new properties, new takes, and new talent. Elseword/What If books and series go here. Vertigoesque stuff, too. Non superhero stuff, as well.

Both publishers are trying to be everything to everyone, and it just keeps being a mess. When older reader's desires are diametrically opposed to new reader's desires, it's crazy trying to service both inside the same comic line. That's why we have the constant reboots, to give the new fish a place to start. But Marvel never quite goes whole hog, so it never quite cleans up its continuity, and DC blows up everything so regularly that it feels like we have a new round of origin comics every two or three years.

Let the main universe line run and run and run, building up the gooey continuity complexity and hereditary hero lines that long time readers love, and just reboot the cinematic universe every so often to coincide with whatever is being done with the films. Use it to draw new readers, and feed them into the main universe.

And, of course, all of the lines need to do a better job of catering to younger and more diverse readers, if the industry wants a future.
Wasn't the Ultimate line Marvel's attempt to do this?

Of course, eventually it got bogged down in continuity itself and now it's dead.
 
What would help is more cross promotions. I'm surprised they haven't given out free digital comic vouchers with movies, just to get people started. Imagine Court of Owls given away with the new Batman film, John's Aquaman, or Forever Evil with JL. It'd be easiest for marvel with their database service.

I still don't think the big issue is barrier of entry but distribution method and costs.

Of course this would piss off retail, which is still their main money maker.
 
I would add a 4th option, a separate lone universe continuity where, batman is the only superhero in his universe, superman in his, WW in his etc. They don't tie in with anything other than their own timeline and their own villains/sidekicks. With every line starting from year one, they could try to even bring about new characters this way, without needing to worry about all the crossover crap.

DC has something like that called Earth One but I think the characters all exist in the same universe. They haven't ran into each other though. The Earth One books so far have been focusing on the individual characters and their origins. This was DC's answer to introducing a new audience to their characters before the New 52 happened.
 

Sou Da

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DC has something like that called Earth One but I think the characters all exist in the same universe. They haven't ran into each other though. The Earth One books so far have been focusing on the individual characters and their origins. This was DC's answer to introducing a new audience to their characters before the New 52 happened.

He's right, Earth One is pretty much what you're asking for.

Superman Earth One is MoS done right as far as I'm concerned.
 
He's right, Earth One is pretty much what you're asking for.

Superman Earth One is MoS done right as far as I'm concerned.

Eh, I found it really obnoxious. It was like if Will from Good Will Hunting walked around with no Ben Affleck or Robin Williams just stroking his ego the whole way.
 
Wasn't the Ultimate line Marvel's attempt to do this?

Of course, eventually it got bogged down in continuity itself and now it's dead.

yup. that approach doesn't work. also consider that you're tying the cinematic universe to things that happen in print, which the vast majority of movie watchers aren't reading and will only confuse them.
 
Wasn't the Ultimate line Marvel's attempt to do this?

Of course, eventually it got bogged down in continuity itself and now it's dead.

Ultimate line went badly awry 'cause Loeb, and also psyching itself out after the New 52 took off. At the start, it fit the bill pretty well, and then things went sideways.
 
DC has something like that called Earth One but I think the characters all exist in the same universe. They haven't ran into each other though. The Earth One books so far have been focusing on the individual characters and their origins. This was DC's answer to introducing a new audience to their characters before the New 52 happened.

Cool thanks. Too bad it takes 3 years to release a book.
 

arkon

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Long story short, the artist got backed by the editor on how the book should be done, the writer was told he'd be writing it again himself and they'd keep his name as writer. The artist guy was pretty nutty as hell and did not get along with the writer at all. End result, the actual writer got kicked off or quit, can't remember which and was blamed for the books failure by many people because they didn't know he wasn't actually writing it until he took to the net to defend himself. Bleeding Cool actually did have some good articles about it. Oh yeah, the writer guy lost a job or two based on "his work" of NuDC Blue Beetle. Like I said, dude got screwed. It was a true shit storm.

Are you sure that was Blue Beetle and you're not confusing it for Static Shock? Because that sounds a lot like what happened on Static Shock between John Rozum and Scott McDaniel. Also don't remember reading about any trouble between Tony Bedard and Ig Guara who were on Blue Beetle.
 
My guess is they're afraid it will cut into their trade sales which are usually really high. That or they're just working on it so it's up to par with what marvel is offering, rather than putting it out as fast as they can and looking bad in comparison.
 

Slayven

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My guess is they're afraid it will cut into their trade sales which are usually really high. That or they're just working on it so it's up to par with what marvel is offering, rather than putting it out as fast as they can and looking bad in comparison.

They making all those back issues of Cyborg 3D
 

Rooster12

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I would add a 4th option, a separate lone universe continuity where, batman is the only superhero in his universe, superman in his, WW in his etc. They don't tie in with anything other than their own timeline and their own villains/sidekicks.

This is doggone brilliant.

But you know they will still try to create that universe's version of Batman or Superman

While reading comics today, I decided that Marvel and DC both need three lines of comics.

1. Cinematic Universe - used for marketing movies and bringing in new comic book readers.

The problem is that I don't see anything even remotely interesting about the DCEU that warrants an entire comic book line dedicated to that.

Maybe Suicide Squad, but that's it.
 
The problem is that I don't see anything even remotely interesting about the DCEU that warrants an entire comic book line dedicated to that.

Maybe Suicide Squad, but that's it.
DC has already had multiple comics dedicated to their shows and games. I'm sure they could find a way. Most recently has been Teen Titans GO!, Injustice: Gods Among Us, Arrow Season 2.5, The Flash Season Zero, Justice League: Gods and Monsters.
 
What exactly is Marvel Unlimited? I did a web search but didn't find a decent explanation.

Is it a digital subscription service?


Think like Netflix. You can read all the dogital comics you want while being a subscriber ($10 a month, I think). There is a 6 month delay before a comic can enter the pool althought.
 
Once again, take this with a veritable Everest of salt, but Bleeding Cool has published some rumored details about this "Rebirth" event that probably isn't the Hanna-Barbera stuff.

To save you the clicks, supposedly...

- Prior to each new #1, there'll be a so-called "Rebirth" issue.
- Tom King is shaping up to be the favorite for the new Batman bi-weekly series while Snyder works on Detective Comics.
- Batman/Superman, Superman/Wonder Woman, Starfire, Black Canary, Midnighter and Doctor Fate are supposedly to be cancelled with the characters moving on to comics.
- New comics supposedly include The Super Man, Man of Steel, New Green Lantern starring Jessica Cruz, and Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corp.
- Pete Tomasi will write Superman bi-weekly.
- New JSA ongoing, that supposedly has the pitch "But now, not only will this active team of superheroes be revealed, along with an explanation as to why no one remembers them, but they will be brought forward, young, to the present days, fishes out of water, fighting alongside the Justice League of America."
- Damian Wayne will lead the new Teen Titans.
- A Trinity comic to launch later in the year, as a bi-weekly.

Once again, this is Bleeding Cool, so take it with a fucking Moon-sized amount of salt.
 

Shaanyboi

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Once again, take this with a veritable Everest of salt, but Bleeding Cool has published some rumored details about this "Rebirth" event that probably isn't the Hanna-Barbera stuff.

To save you the clicks, supposedly...

- Prior to each new #1, there'll be a so-called "Rebirth" issue.
- Tom King is shaping up to be the favorite for the new Batman bi-weekly series while Snyder works on Detective Comics.
- Batman/Superman, Superman/Wonder Woman, Starfire, Black Canary, Midnighter and Doctor Fate are supposedly to be cancelled with the characters moving on to comics.
- New comics supposedly include The Super Man, Man of Steel, New Green Lantern starring Jessica Cruz, and Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corp.
- Pete Tomasi will write Superman bi-weekly.
- New JSA ongoing, that supposedly has the pitch "But now, not only will this active team of superheroes be revealed, along with an explanation as to why no one remembers them, but they will be brought forward, young, to the present days, fishes out of water, fighting alongside the Justice League of America."
- Damian Wayne will lead the new Teen Titans.
- A Trinity comic to launch later in the year, as a bi-weekly.

Once again, this is Bleeding Cool, so take it with a fucking Moon-sized amount of salt.
Jessica Cruz Green Lantern sounds good to me.

Cancelling Starfire, Midnighter, and Black Canary is some real bullshit though. Just started reading Doctor Fate, and atleast conceptually, I like it.
 
Once again, take this with a veritable Everest of salt, but Bleeding Cool has published some rumored details about this "Rebirth" event that probably isn't the Hanna-Barbera stuff.

To save you the clicks, supposedly...

- Prior to each new #1, there'll be a so-called "Rebirth" issue.
- Tom King is shaping up to be the favorite for the new Batman bi-weekly series while Snyder works on Detective Comics.
- Batman/Superman, Superman/Wonder Woman, Starfire, Black Canary, Midnighter and Doctor Fate are supposedly to be cancelled with the characters moving on to comics.
- New comics supposedly include The Super Man, Man of Steel, New Green Lantern starring Jessica Cruz, and Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corp.
- Pete Tomasi will write Superman bi-weekly.
- New JSA ongoing, that supposedly has the pitch "But now, not only will this active team of superheroes be revealed, along with an explanation as to why no one remembers them, but they will be brought forward, young, to the present days, fishes out of water, fighting alongside the Justice League of America."
- Damian Wayne will lead the new Teen Titans.
- A Trinity comic to launch later in the year, as a bi-weekly.

Once again, this is Bleeding Cool, so take it with a fucking Moon-sized amount of salt.
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Patryn

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- New JSA ongoing, that supposedly has the pitch "But now, not only will this active team of superheroes be revealed, along with an explanation as to why no one remembers them, but they will be brought forward, young, to the present days, fishes out of water, fighting alongside the Justice League of America."

I could swear they did this back shortly after the original Crisis.
 
Jessica Cruz Green Lantern sounds good to me.

Cancelling Starfire, Midnighter, and Black Canary is some real bullshit though. Just started reading Doctor Fate, and atleast conceptually, I like it.

Doc Fate just got interesting, too :/

Still, it's Bleeding Cool. Probably bullshit, as cool as Tom King on Batman would be...
 
Once again, take this with a veritable Everest of salt, but Bleeding Cool has published some rumored details about this "Rebirth" event that probably isn't the Hanna-Barbera stuff.

To save you the clicks, supposedly...

- Prior to each new #1, there'll be a so-called "Rebirth" issue.
- Tom King is shaping up to be the favorite for the new Batman bi-weekly series while Snyder works on Detective Comics.
- Batman/Superman, Superman/Wonder Woman, Starfire, Black Canary, Midnighter and Doctor Fate are supposedly to be cancelled with the characters moving on to comics.
- New comics supposedly include The Super Man, Man of Steel, New Green Lantern starring Jessica Cruz, and Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corp.
- Pete Tomasi will write Superman bi-weekly.
- New JSA ongoing, that supposedly has the pitch "But now, not only will this active team of superheroes be revealed, along with an explanation as to why no one remembers them, but they will be brought forward, young, to the present days, fishes out of water, fighting alongside the Justice League of America."
- Damian Wayne will lead the new Teen Titans.
- A Trinity comic to launch later in the year, as a bi-weekly.

Once again, this is Bleeding Cool, so take it with a fucking Moon-sized amount of salt.

Oh my god this is the worst idea in the history of bad ideas.

The whole reason New 52 came about in the first place was to de-clutter the universe. Don't make it EVEN WORSE by taking your bad idea, and thinking doing it again will work better.
 
Tom King on batman would be some legendary shit. Every book he's on ranges from good to incredible. At the same time though, I'd have to imagine that DC would have to let the leash a little looser than usual; my two favorite books of his (Omega Men and The Vision) are anything but standard superhero comics.
 
Tom King on batman would be some legendary shit. Every book he's on ranges from good to incredible. At the same time though, I'd have to imagine that DC would have to let the leash a little looser than usual; my two favorite books of his (Omega Men and The Vision) are anything but standard superhero comics.

DC right now is as editor driven as they were in the early 90's.

No chance they let him have as much creative control as he'd want.
 

Slayven

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I will give any Green Lantern not name Hal a fair shit. Hope they don't fuck up like they did with the last new lantern.
 

tim1138

Member
If any of that is true I'd give that Jessica Cruz book a shot, there's some interesting things they can do with her. I'll be sad to see Midnighter go, but at the same time I'm amazed it will have lasted fur twelve issues. But since the source is Bleeding Cool, I'm sure it's all a bunch of nonsense.
 

Shaanyboi

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DC right now is as editor driven as they were in the early 90's.

No chance they let him have as much creative control as he'd want.

The fact that they've had the freedom to take as many different characters in as wildly different directions as they have, it was sounding like the opposite. Wasn't that the point of the "no strict adherence to continuity, it's up to the storytellers" quote they made a while ago?
 
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