I'd say I'm shocked he's getting his own film (okay I am shocked wtf) but then I remember this gem
not sure if it will be better though
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DC Universe Rebirth Begins This May
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I'd say I'm shocked he's getting his own film (okay I am shocked wtf) but then I remember this gem
not sure if it will be better though
ElBoxyBrown
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Becky Cloonan and Gerard Way were suppose to do a New 52 Doom Patrol book. DC even approved it but Gerard had a busy schedule and couldn't do it.
kylecoley182
Banned
futures end was pretty darn good
Razgriz-Specter
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Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Yeah, it would be a way to re-establish the good continuity.
I have every New 52 Batman comic and I understand the current storyline, but the New 52 was a soft reboot of the old universe. It kept old continuity of certain characters and completely wiped out others. The thing is, that old continuity that took years to create was now crammed into that 5 year timeline.
That's what I meant by confusing because it didn't make sense. For instance, Bruce becoming Batman, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, and Damien Wayne would have all occurred within 5 years.
And how would Damien be 10 years old if Bruce was only Batman for 5 years.
Jorok Goldblade
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I believe the conceit with Batman was that he's been active for much longer than five years, but his existence was pretty much rumor and urban legend until the formation of the Justice League.
BaraSailey
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I just want them to fix Tim Drake. His character's a mess now, and I hate how they changed his entire history and brought his Dad back. He went through a lot, and then they just retconned all of his backstory and struggles out of existence.
Wait his dad is back? Because killing him was one of the many fuck ups of Identity Crisis.
BaraSailey
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His parents aren't dead, instead they're in witness protection and you barely ever see them. So they're pretty nonexistent for the most part anyway.
I was actually okay with this because you know Tim pretty much traded his parents for Bruce and doesn't regret it.
MHWilliams
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Why wasn't this a thing? Goddamn it.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I never claimed it made sense; I'm claiming the opposite. The timeline is all confusing, and it's never directly explained. Zero Year seems to add to the confusion for me.
Zero Year seemed to contradict even that. I was assuming he had to be active for more than 5 years before Zero Year, but it's weird how that timeline is laid out in it when Bruce becomes Batman.
Jorok Goldblade
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That's another issue with New52 - they didn't have their continuity in order when the books launched. One of the big examples was the titles that were changed in the trades to remove any references to the original Teen Titans and Tim's tenure as Robin.
Same here. I moved on to indie books. Though my love for Pre 52 DC will never die.
fwiw I've stopped
I gave it 3 issues, basically every OTHER series launched after Convergence was worth reading!
I couldn't stand to read it lol
Schweinehund
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I don't really care about continuity, usually the great stuff sticks and the crappy stories are never mentioned again. I would have loved the current approach when Morrison was writing JLA, then maybe we would have had Hawkman instead of Zauriel, and traditional Supes instead of electric Supes.
So even if there was "muh good continuity" you'd still have Venditti writing mediocre flash and green lantern stories. Nothing would have changed, except people would be bitching about their favorite characters being mistreated.
Unless you're the sort of person trying to derive logic or consistency from a comic book story handled by multiple writers, then I think you've set yourself up for failure as soon as you started.
Corpsepyre
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Ah shit, Scott Snyder leaving Batman.
Maybe he can now go and write more creator-owned material!
Maybe he can now go and write more creator-owned material!
BossDarkseid
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He's still writing DC tho...
Memento Mori
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I always wanted Snyder and Francavilla to relaunch Gotham Central after Black Mirror.
Corpsepyre
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Yeah, but eh. Let's see how this pans out.
How's the run after Vol.7 of Batman? The new Gordon stuff he's doing?
And then Azrael was only introduced in the universe like a month ago.
Poodlestrike
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slightconfuse
Banned
Manmademan
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ironically Warner brothers having complete control of the DC stable is hurting this. the mass market knows batman and superman because that's all warner bothered to push at the movies for 30 years.
Marvel losing the Xmen, FF, and Spiderman to other studios and being forced to promote their C and D tier properties is the best thing that happened to them.
No to Johns
Can you imagine in the 90s, when everyone was staring at Fairchild's ass on the cover of Wizard magazine, that Luke Cage would not only be a major player in the Marvel universe but get his own tv show?
Corpsepyre
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Why is everyone pissing on Johns? Guy used to be legit, no? Granted, I haven't read anything of his lately. What's he been writing?
He comes across as a bit of a fanboy attached to his silver age heroes at times.
On the flip, his current "Darkseid War" story has been the sort of bat shit insanity I want from Justice League. So he's still got the chops.
Schweinehund
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He's still legit as he's always been, he's writing Justice League's Darkseid War right now, he's busy helping run all the movie, tv, games creative side as chief creative officer so he only writes one ongoing. John's JL's beginning was rough until Throne of Atlantis (some people go so far as to think Lee ghost wrote them), Forever Evil was my favorite event since Blackest Night, Aquaman was stellar, I really liked Shazam's new origin, and Vibe had a solid start. His GL run ended a little weak but the epilogue was enjoyable.
Some people dislike him because he brought back a lot of Silver Age elements, namely Hal becoming a GL again (displacing Kyle as the main GL), and Barry replacing Wally. Other people are tired of his writing style since he's such a prominent DC writer. Some blame him for flashpoint but I think that was more of a business driven decision with input from multiple writers.
Primethius
Banned
Wally for life. Thank god for the CW show.
He's Barry in name only, lets be real.
pretty much
I'm working my way through a backlog of a lot of recent DC books and hope to finish sometime in March when they release the collected edition. It looks great, the art work especially. I wasn't even surprised when I heard, I was like, "yep, this is the logical conclusion to the Bat-centric focus that DC has been on for a while now." They've literally turned him into a god...
ElBoxyBrown
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DC is putting out a lot of books trying to expand their titles with their DC You initiative but there selling like shit. I think Black Canary and Midnighter are barely holding on to a little over 20K every month. I don't know if it's because the damage was already done or whatever that's preventing people from wanting to try them. So now DC is stuck in a place where they can't go back to what they were doing and they can't garner anymore sales from the new titles. Thus, more Batman and Frank Miller.
It was a very tongue in cheek thing to do.
BKatastrophe
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Except:
-Dick was Batman
-Dick was a part of the Teen Titans
-Dick's old costume was used by him and his family when they were a circus act. He then made his own costume and became Robin.
-They do ignore Bludhaven, which greatly upset me.
I certainly didn't.
God this post...the truth upsets me.
Indeed he does.
I'll never forgive that show for what it did to Al Rothstein.
Earth 2 is godlike, damn it!
Johns' run on New 52 GL was good, but that's because it didn't reboot anything and sadly it ended quite poorly. It was mostly really good though. Almost the entirety of it was Sinestro reminding Hal how garbage he is.
You're right. We're reading the fun ones, you're reading the boring one.
Earth 2 -> Earth 2: World's End -> Convergence -> Earth 2: Society
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World's Finest: Huntress and Power Girl
Never stop pushing that book.
NEVER
Not Red Hood and Arsenal.fwiw I've stopped
I gave it 3 issues, basically every OTHER series launched after Convergence was worth reading!
Well, could always read Umbrella Academy instead.
For real. Reading through late 90's to mid-2000's DC, there's so much cool shit. No one wants to use it though. Baffling. Or Johns won't let them.
Some of the one-shots were fantastic, but I never read the actual book.
He's a good writer, but his attempt to make Hal Jordan not an unsympathetic piece of garbage and to retcon Barry into being interesting is laughable on multiple levels. I like his work, though.
The big issue isn't so much that he pushes Silver-Age. That's fine. It's that he takes all the succession to the Silver-Age (Jaime, Kyle, Wally, etc) and pushes it away. It sucks.
I'm sure a lot of people knows who Green Arrow, Flash, Robin or Wonder Woman are. They were probably more popular than Iron Man before the MCU movies hit. But comic book sales still remained the same.
It's their fault that they put a lot of their best writers on Batman books. It needs to be more evenly distributed.
I would love to see Snyder fix the whole Teen Titans mess.
Corpsepyre
Banned
What are all your takes on Swamp Thing New 52, by the way?
Schweinehund
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I enjoyed it. It's not near Alan Moore's run but it was good. I only read up to the animal man cross over which was kind of weird. Unsure if it's worth reading after that.
I thought the Scott Snyder run was extremely boring and bailed after like 6 issues, and then never bothered to check it out again after he left.
MHWilliams
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Technically, the Michael Lane version was featured in comics published after the New 52, since Batman Inc was one of the bleedthrough books.
So we have this version already:
And the new addition:
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