Chiaroscuro
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See my post about this. Partially agree, the new lore is great, darker, but George Perez take on the "clay baby" was good. Being just a demigod takes something from her classical lore.
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See my post about this. Partially agree, the new lore is great, darker, but George Perez take on the "clay baby" was good. Being just a demigod takes something from her classical lore.
Haha nah
Schweinehund
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His workload must be just that heavy. Maybe it will lighten up now that he has the road map planned out and these movies are going into production. I think it was rumored he was limited to one book by the editorial. I don't see him leaving JL anytime soon with Seven Seas and a crossover with Bryan Hitch's JL coming up.
Anyway I'm guessing we'll see far fewer c-string characters getting books and more team books with those characters. I think DC has more success selling teams than they do solo's.
JimiNutz
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Hopefully they are of high quality and not just mediocre quick cash ins
TheGoddamn
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Where can I begin for someone who was fairly deep into DC pre-New 52, but lost interest with all the events pre-Flashpoint?
I did read a bit of the New 52, mostly Batfamily stuff, but stopped after Damian died.
Recently picked it back up again-- going through Robin Rises-- and would like to read through the Bat-stuff (which is apparently one of the only bastions of sanity in New 52?).
I did read a bit of the New 52, mostly Batfamily stuff, but stopped after Damian died.
Recently picked it back up again-- going through Robin Rises-- and would like to read through the Bat-stuff (which is apparently one of the only bastions of sanity in New 52?).
But who is on first?
Legion is the poster child on why you need to stick to your guns on reboots and relaunches
This guy wants this legion, then the new guy that legion.
When we all know the only valid legion is .
Poodlestrike
Banned
Read The Omega Men and Martian Manhunter. Neither are Batfamily, but I'm recommending them anyway because they're really fantastic.
For good Batfamily... Batman, the main book, is great. Gotham Academy is another standout, though it's on the periphery of the Batfamily. We Are Robin has been hugely enjoyable. When you wrap up Batman & Robin, proceed to Batman: Son of Robin for some great comics (after the first few issues, which were shaky). Nightwing was pretty mediocre, so skip that, but Grayson is amazing (you might want to do a little background reading beforehand).
Oh, and this one is important: Lil' Gotham. Came out in 2013, so you might have missed it. Utterly, utterly, utterly charming. Bruce as Batdad 100%.
There's plenty of "bastions of sanity," believe it or not.
All I know is that there have only been a few writers who actually made the Amazons interesting and well written.
Compare Azzarello's Amazon's to Perez's. One understands the characters and the other makes them insane murdering people (which they were pre-52). The whole point is that they don't like men and the whole conflict with them about being about love, yet have a bias of hate towards men.
There hasn't been that in a while with the Amazons, but not only hate but pure murder. I mean, who thought that the whole banging sailors then murdering them was a good idea? There wasn't some smart conflict or debate or anything, just savagery.
Which is ironic since the Amazons were actually smart capable people and even had advance technology! Now, I can't take WW seriously when she continues to help her people and still talk about love and peace. That is like me saying how we should all help women with equal rights while leading a pack of men who beat and kill women.
The only good and interesting writing with them was when Diana talked the Amazon out of killing Ezekiel. That was very good.
Of course, I stopped reading WW when Azzarello's run ended, so maybe they actually got interesting?
Compare Azzarello's Amazon's to Perez's. One understands the characters and the other makes them insane murdering people (which they were pre-52). The whole point is that they don't like men and the whole conflict with them about being about love, yet have a bias of hate towards men.
There hasn't been that in a while with the Amazons, but not only hate but pure murder. I mean, who thought that the whole banging sailors then murdering them was a good idea? There wasn't some smart conflict or debate or anything, just savagery.
Which is ironic since the Amazons were actually smart capable people and even had advance technology! Now, I can't take WW seriously when she continues to help her people and still talk about love and peace. That is like me saying how we should all help women with equal rights while leading a pack of men who beat and kill women.
The only good and interesting writing with them was when Diana talked the Amazon out of killing Ezekiel. That was very good.
Of course, I stopped reading WW when Azzarello's run ended, so maybe they actually got interesting?
E the Shaggy
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Also did anyone else see they brought back Jean Paul Valley recently? That shit blew my mind.
Chiaroscuro
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Legion is the poster child on why you need to stick to your guns on reboots and relaunches
This guy wants this legion, then the new guy that legion.
When we all know the only valid legion is .
That is the version I care the least. See the problem?
I grew up with the classic version that was great in the 70s, early 80s. I also liked some of the concepts of that relaunch (third team, I do not even now if that was before/after New 52).
Chiaroscuro
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That is so '89.
TheGoddamn
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Thank you! I'll be on the look out for those. Very interested in We Are Robin, as well as Grayson. Lil' Gotham sounds great; you're right that I missed it-- I'd never even heard of it until your post. Haha, I didn't mean to touch a nerve with the "bastions of sanity" comment; it's just that I don't know any other good branches of New 52 to delve into. I've always liked Martian Manhunter, so I'll read that and Omega Men.
What's this I hear about Cass being back? (She's the best.)
kylecoley182
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Grant MorrIsons The Multiversity was fantastic though
Dido chasing that Rocket Raccoon money
Captain Carrot who? that's Captain K-Rot my friend and yes I did throw up a little writing that.
A panel from Threshold that space comic everyone but Slay forgot existed because it got cancelled after 8 issues.
edit: yup that's the Zoo Crew lol
flaxknuckles
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EDIT: I was mistaken. Damn my memory.
EDIT: I was mistaken. Damn my memory.
Poodlestrike
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Nah, I recognize that dude. He's just a Rocket Raccoon knockoff. Turned up in Telos.
Edit: orrrr not.
IndoAssassin
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He also somehow met Talia, banged her, she gave birth and their son grew 10 years in a 2 year period, due to growth magic. And when he reached 10, he magically stopped growing rapidly. Lol.
Also in five years he spent ten years training before even becoming batman. I gave up on it. Way too confusing of a timeline.
oh I vaguely remember that book, it was what Giffen did preJL3k right? I had no idea it had an extreme Zoo Crew, god damn.
It's funny because Giffen created Captain K'Rot
Yeah it's really not that good from what I remember and I say that as a big fan of Giffen and JL3K. It was for the best it was canned.
Poodlestrike
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Always happy to throw out recs
Cass has cropped up in Batman & Robin Eternal, the second of two weekly Batfamily Crossover series. The first one (Batman Eternal) is good too, throw that on the pile of recommendations for after you make some headway with Batman.
Poodle, you have to be the only person reading Telos. I bet GrandHarrier doesn't even pull that nonsense.
I am the best at what I do
Poodlestrike
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fwiw I've stopped
I gave it 3 issues, basically every OTHER series launched after Convergence was worth reading!
everyone has their cross to bear
It's funny because Giffen created Captain K'Rot
Yeah it's really not that good from what I remember and I say that as a big fan of Giffen and JL3K. It was for the best it was canned.
Oh I love Giffen and JL3k/3k1 is one of my favorite books, but I don't think I'll be going back and checking out Threshold...
fwiw I've stopped
I gave it 3 issues, basically every OTHER series launched after Convergence was worth reading!
Were you buying Doomed too?
Poodlestrike
Banned
Oh, right, other than that.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
You misspelled his name, I got you tho.
I agree about the renumbering. But no way they can go back on New 52. I wonder what new titles they'll have for this "Rebirth" event. Is it even a relaunch or perhaps just an event?
Poodlestrike
Banned
I don't think so, no.
Metal men?
I am shocked if they didn't
kylecoley182
Banned
i really hope this isn't a reboot i just got into the New 52 last year.
They made an appearance toward the end of Forever Evil (or Injustice League, I forget). They tried to court Element Woman.
Only sort of.
They tried to get something going through the Justice League book during Forever Evil.
This applies both to Doom Patrol and the Metal Men.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I don't know off the top of my head if the Metal Men have had a book of their own (I don't think so), but they're definitely around and kicking. Played a large part in the first Cyborg arc.
They were in an issue of Swamp Thing as well but that's it afaik.
Beaniedude
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New52 is when I first started getting into comics but really does anyone even care about continuity?
All I really care about it good stories with average to good art. I don't care if this character has no longer done X so long as the current story I'm reading is good.
That's why I've liked the recent trend of DC just ignoring continuity. You've got Batman being a god in the Justice League but he is also dead
in his comics.
This has been a directionless rant aimed at nothing in particular.
In conclusion: I enjoy reading comics. I will look forward to seeing what this Rebirth will bring.
All I really care about it good stories with average to good art. I don't care if this character has no longer done X so long as the current story I'm reading is good.
That's why I've liked the recent trend of DC just ignoring continuity. You've got Batman being a god in the Justice League but he is also dead
(not really)
This has been a directionless rant aimed at nothing in particular.
In conclusion: I enjoy reading comics. I will look forward to seeing what this Rebirth will bring.
Everyone trying to get that Cyborg push.
bengraven
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More renumbering?
The whole renumbering thing that's been happening (especially at Marvel) lately is so annoying it makes me think people should at least have a definitive end. Just do every book as a 6-12 issue miniseries and fuck it. Makes it easier for trades and easier to move people around on. And would give some consistency.
The whole renumbering thing that's been happening (especially at Marvel) lately is so annoying it makes me think people should at least have a definitive end. Just do every book as a 6-12 issue miniseries and fuck it. Makes it easier for trades and easier to move people around on. And would give some consistency.
It's funny because Giffen created Captain K'Rot
Yeah it's really not that good from what I remember and I say that as a big fan of Giffen and JL3K. It was for the best it was canned.
What is this, people hating on Threshold? It should be getting love not hate. One of the best sci-fi books in DC. Up there with Dial H for Heroes (the best New 52 book) as most underrated gems.
How do you not like Captain K-Rot?
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